On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:08:55 -0800 "Melinda" wrote:

Unfortunately for you there are those of us who do not use Paypal. I quit
using them when they started asking for my bank account number. If I can use
my credit card through a normal checkout process on a website and I don't
need to give my account number then I feel I should be able to do so through
Paypal but they don't see it that way. They say that it reduces card
fraud...I say my bank accnt number's none of their damn business...

Melinda

Take a look at one of your (paper) checks sometimes - it carries
the same infomation as PayPal asks for. Meaning that if you are
concerned that PayPal might submit an invalid charge to your bank
- I believe that so could WHOEVER you give a physical check to.

mikus


p.s. I don't know if PayPal still does this, but it used to be
that when the merchant's processing was handled by PayPal,
and the customer submitted a credit card, PayPal would
(unless explicitly told not to do so) "under the covers"
CREATE a __PayPal__ account for the customer, pay the
merchant out of that new account, then debit the credit
card to leave the new account with a zero balance. (And
PayPal would have acquired a new subscriber, complete with
a spanking new PayPal account accompanied by the credit card
information to charge for purchases by that PayPal account).

I'm so sorry to hear that you feel inconvenient with PayPal.
If so......how about money order? We also accept money order. But please
kindly make sure that the money order can be cashed in Canada.
Hope this helps!
Does anyone have other suggestion about payment method beside credit card
merchant?

Avon


"Melinda" . ..

Unfortunately for you there are those of us who do not use Paypal. I quit
using them when they started asking for my bank account number. If I can
use my credit card through a normal checkout process on a website and I
don't need to give my account number then I feel I should be able to do so
through Paypal but they don't see it that way. They say that it reduces
card fraud...I say my bank accnt number's none of their damn business...

Melinda



Hi Doug,

Excuse me for my little interruption.
Humm... we do accept credit card payment through Paypal. We chose to stay
with Paypal because this is the easiest way to guarantee the security of
transaction. They do their works very well! We can even provide invoices
in
Canadian Dollars or Pound Sterling or Euro if they fit our customers'
needs.

Moreover, we do provide sample size products which are not individually
listed on eBay because it's hard to calculate the shipping cost
automatically for these light weight items when multiple items are
purchased. To visit our samplers:
http://stores.ebay.com/Teahome-Premi...pl ayZ2QQtZkm

We have taken a lot of orders from our precious customers by email alone.
If
you need customized samplers, just email me; we will do our best to meet
your needs. Use the "contact us" button in our catalog
http://www.teahometw.com/usa/TeahomeEnglishCatalog.htm

About the delivery time, I can not give any guarantee since the work is
done by post office. But we ship products with registration, non of any
our customers didn't get their parcels. Moreover, most customers received
their parcels within 7-10 days, for some recent cases they even got the
parcels in 5 days.

I feel sorry for these inconveniences caused by hanging on another
website. We are building our individual website, we will exactly have all
these barriers solved in our new website.
Thanks for your comment which helps us to enhance our service!



Avon
Regional Manager, North America
Teahome

I'm so sorry to hear that you feel inconvenient with PayPal.
If so......how about money order? We also accept money order. But please
kindly make sure that the money order can be cashed in Canada.
Hope this helps!
Does anyone have other suggestion about payment method beside credit card
merchant?

Avon


"Melinda" . ..

Unfortunately for you there are those of us who do not use Paypal. I quit
using them when they started asking for my bank account number. If I can
use my credit card through a normal checkout process on a website and I
don't need to give my account number then I feel I should be able to do so
through Paypal but they don't see it that way. They say that it reduces
card fraud...I say my bank accnt number's none of their damn business...

Melinda



Hi Doug,

Excuse me for my little interruption.
Humm... we do accept credit card payment through Paypal. We chose to stay
with Paypal because this is the easiest way to guarantee the security of
transaction. They do their works very well! We can even provide invoices
in
Canadian Dollars or Pound Sterling or Euro if they fit our customers'
needs.

Moreover, we do provide sample size products which are not individually
listed on eBay because it's hard to calculate the shipping cost
automatically for these light weight items when multiple items are
purchased. To visit our samplers:
http://stores.ebay.com/Teahome-Premi...pl ayZ2QQtZkm

We have taken a lot of orders from our precious customers by email alone.
If
you need customized samplers, just email me; we will do our best to meet
your needs. Use the "contact us" button in our catalog
http://www.teahometw.com/usa/TeahomeEnglishCatalog.htm

About the delivery time, I can not give any guarantee since the work is
done by post office. But we ship products with registration, non of any
our customers didn't get their parcels. Moreover, most customers received
their parcels within 7-10 days, for some recent cases they even got the
parcels in 5 days.

I feel sorry for these inconveniences caused by hanging on another
website. We are building our individual website, we will exactly have all
these barriers solved in our new website.
Thanks for your comment which helps us to enhance our service!



Avon
Regional Manager, North America
Teahome

I'm so sorry to hear that you feel inconvenient with PayPal.
If so......how about money order? We also accept money order. But please
kindly make sure that the money order can be cashed in Canada.
Hope this helps!
Does anyone have other suggestion about payment method beside credit card
merchant?

Avon


"Melinda" . ..

Unfortunately for you there are those of us who do not use Paypal. I quit
using them when they started asking for my bank account number. If I can
use my credit card through a normal checkout process on a website and I
don't need to give my account number then I feel I should be able to do so
through Paypal but they don't see it that way. They say that it reduces
card fraud...I say my bank accnt number's none of their damn business...

Melinda



Hi Doug,

Excuse me for my little interruption.
Humm... we do accept credit card payment through Paypal. We chose to stay
with Paypal because this is the easiest way to guarantee the security of
transaction. They do their works very well! We can even provide invoices
in
Canadian Dollars or Pound Sterling or Euro if they fit our customers'
needs.

Moreover, we do provide sample size products which are not individually
listed on eBay because it's hard to calculate the shipping cost
automatically for these light weight items when multiple items are
purchased. To visit our samplers:
http://stores.ebay.com/Teahome-Premi...pl ayZ2QQtZkm

We have taken a lot of orders from our precious customers by email alone.
If
you need customized samplers, just email me; we will do our best to meet
your needs. Use the "contact us" button in our catalog
http://www.teahometw.com/usa/TeahomeEnglishCatalog.htm

About the delivery time, I can not give any guarantee since the work is
done by post office. But we ship products with registration, non of any
our customers didn't get their parcels. Moreover, most customers received
their parcels within 7-10 days, for some recent cases they even got the
parcels in 5 days.

I feel sorry for these inconveniences caused by hanging on another
website. We are building our individual website, we will exactly have all
these barriers solved in our new website.
Thanks for your comment which helps us to enhance our service!



Avon
Regional Manager, North America
Teahome

Wow, you maxed out your $2000 unverified CC spending limit on PP and
now they want the bank account information shown on a personal check?
I like PP because the seller will never know your CC information. You
get some other goodies besides what your CC gives you. You apparently
haven't purchased anything from a website just set up to collect
credit card information for resale even though you get what you paid
for. If you're going to use a CC on the Internet use something like a
Virtual Visa at www.epassporte.com. You pay up front to load and use
and if stolen by a website the next bogus transaction will cancel
because you only keep on balance what you paid for. If you see some
bounced transaction message with the VV just set up a new one. All
that being said I wouldn't waste my PP/CC on any website that sells
tea. So don't complain too Space Cowboy because I live in a metro
area that sells tea and you probably do also but I can live with the
fact that I don't have to drink whatever somebody else bought on a
website and you do under the guise of convenience and choice.

Jim

"Melinda" wrote in message ...
Unfortunately for you there are those of us who do not use Paypal. I quit
using them when they started asking for my bank account number. If I can use
my credit card through a normal checkout process on a website and I don't
need to give my account number then I feel I should be able to do so through
Paypal but they don't see it that way. They say that it reduces card
fraud...I say my bank accnt number's none of their damn business...

Melinda

Wow, you maxed out your $2000 unverified CC spending limit on PP and
now they want the bank account information shown on a personal check?
I like PP because the seller will never know your CC information. You
get some other goodies besides what your CC gives you. You apparently
haven't purchased anything from a website just set up to collect
credit card information for resale even though you get what you paid
for. If you're going to use a CC on the Internet use something like a
Virtual Visa at www.epassporte.com. You pay up front to load and use
and if stolen by a website the next bogus transaction will cancel
because you only keep on balance what you paid for. If you see some
bounced transaction message with the VV just set up a new one. All
that being said I wouldn't waste my PP/CC on any website that sells
tea. So don't complain too Space Cowboy because I live in a metro
area that sells tea and you probably do also but I can live with the
fact that I don't have to drink whatever somebody else bought on a
website and you do under the guise of convenience and choice.

Jim

"Melinda" wrote in message ...
Unfortunately for you there are those of us who do not use Paypal. I quit
using them when they started asking for my bank account number. If I can use
my credit card through a normal checkout process on a website and I don't
need to give my account number then I feel I should be able to do so through
Paypal but they don't see it that way. They say that it reduces card
fraud...I say my bank accnt number's none of their damn business...

Melinda

"Space Cowboy" wrote in message
m...
Wow, you maxed out your $2000 unverified CC spending limit on PP and
now they want the bank account information shown on a personal check?

Actually they started asking me earlier than $2000...this was last spring
though, but I believe they changed their terms of service, if my memory
serves me correctly (and it may not) they lowered the 2000 to 500 or
something. Good point about the info on the check, I'll have to think about
that. Problem is, the "credit card" I use online is our Visa debit...if
Paypal makes a mistake transaction on that it comes out of our bank account.
So that's obviously a problem. By the way in case people didn't know, a visa
debit does NOT offer the same protection as a real credit card...you are
responsible for more than the first $50 though if it's fraud I think you can
work with your bank. It's a pain.

I like PP because the seller will never know your CC information. You
get some other goodies besides what your CC gives you. You apparently
haven't purchased anything from a website just set up to collect
credit card information for resale even though you get what you paid
for.

No I haven't thank goodness, though I have a feeling some of our personal
info was stolen from the databanks of a Very Large Internet Service Provider
and was used to make some fradulent purchases. Even when "they" say your
info is safe it isnt necessarily, IMO.

If you're going to use a CC on the Internet use something like a
Virtual Visa at www.epassporte.com. You pay up front to load and use
and if stolen by a website the next bogus transaction will cancel
because you only keep on balance what you paid for. If you see some
bounced transaction message with the VV just set up a new one.

Good idea, I'll keep that in mind.

All
that being said I wouldn't waste my PP/CC on any website that sells
tea. So don't complain too Space Cowboy because I live in a metro
area that sells tea and you probably do also but I can live with the
fact that I don't have to drink whatever somebody else bought on a
website and you do under the guise of convenience and choice.

I don't recall complaining to you. I do however like to let merchants know
that there are those of us out here that don't use Paypal and that that is
the main reason why I am not shopping with them...it maybe makes them
realize there are unwashed masses out here, maybe even people who don't want
to "gasp" use any type of card at all. I don't consider convenience and
choice a "guise" I consider it a "blessing" (minus the religious connotation
please) and a very lucky thing to have. I also patronize my local merchants.
I have exactly one puer to choose from from among half a dozen different
local Asian stores. So no, I don't have a lot of choice there.

Speaking of choice, I've heard from more than one immigrant from East Africa
that the first time they set foot in a local grocery store (like a Safeway)
they literally broke down in tears because of the number of choices that we
have. (By "we I mean those of us in richer countries) So don't you tell me
it's not something to be grateful for...there are people that'd give their
eye teeth to have what some of us do. I'm happy with a cup of Tetley's but
then I'd like to try Bi Lo Chun, which I can't find anywhere around here. Is
that so wrong?

Jim

"Melinda" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately for you there are those of us who do not use Paypal. I quit
using them when they started asking for my bank account number. If I can
use
my credit card through a normal checkout process on a website and I don't
need to give my account number then I feel I should be able to do so
through
Paypal but they don't see it that way. They say that it reduces card
fraud...I say my bank accnt number's none of their damn business...

Melinda

Don't worry about my retail rants versus websites. It's my picadillo
and I get my shot in whenever I can. It's not the personal You-You
but the impersonal You-They. I do wish PP would let you remove your
bank information once you get verified. As it stands now someone
could hack your account and use it as a source for funding along with
your CC. The hacking would most likely happen at your computer with
spyware sending your logon account keystrokes back to a pirate site.
I use PP with Ebay because the low volume seller wants to get paid and
can't support a CC shopping cart versus the volume dealers who can.
I'm a collector where I buy things all over the world and I've never
had a problem with a PP merchant. I prefer PP over a ubiquitous CC
shopping cart. You can shop Yahoo stores with it's supporting
shopping cart. I think IPOT is one example.

Jim

"Melinda" wrote in message ...
"Space Cowboy" wrote in message
m...
All
that being said I wouldn't waste my PP/CC on any website that sells
tea. So don't complain too Space Cowboy because I live in a metro
area that sells tea and you probably do also but I can live with the
fact that I don't have to drink whatever somebody else bought on a
website and you do under the guise of convenience and choice.

I don't recall complaining to you. I do however like to let merchants know
that there are those of us out here that don't use Paypal and that that is
the main reason why I am not shopping with them

Don't worry about my retail rants versus websites. It's my picadillo
and I get my shot in whenever I can. It's not the personal You-You
but the impersonal You-They. I do wish PP would let you remove your
bank information once you get verified. As it stands now someone
could hack your account and use it as a source for funding along with
your CC. The hacking would most likely happen at your computer with
spyware sending your logon account keystrokes back to a pirate site.
I use PP with Ebay because the low volume seller wants to get paid and
can't support a CC shopping cart versus the volume dealers who can.
I'm a collector where I buy things all over the world and I've never
had a problem with a PP merchant. I prefer PP over a ubiquitous CC
shopping cart. You can shop Yahoo stores with it's supporting
shopping cart. I think IPOT is one example.

you aren't exactly 'required' to give PP your bank numbers are you?
they keep bothering me about it, but i don't ever plan on giving it.
if they 'require' require me to, i'll just drop my account.


Mydnight

--------------------
thus then i turn me from my countries light, to dwell in the solemn shades of an endless night.

I think ,perhaps, if you have a repeat customer you accept a personal check
or money order
joanne
"Realtea" wrote in message
news
I'm so sorry to hear that you feel inconvenient with PayPal.
If so......how about money order? We also accept money order. But please
kindly make sure that the money order can be cashed in Canada.
Hope this helps!
Does anyone have other suggestion about payment method beside credit card
merchant?

Avon


"Melinda"
. ..

Unfortunately for you there are those of us who do not use Paypal. I quit
using them when they started asking for my bank account number. If I can
use my credit card through a normal checkout process on a website and I
don't need to give my account number then I feel I should be able to do
so through Paypal but they don't see it that way. They say that it
reduces card fraud...I say my bank accnt number's none of their damn
business...

Melinda



Hi Doug,

Excuse me for my little interruption.
Humm... we do accept credit card payment through Paypal. We chose to
stay
with Paypal because this is the easiest way to guarantee the security of
transaction. They do their works very well! We can even provide invoices
in
Canadian Dollars or Pound Sterling or Euro if they fit our customers'
needs.

Moreover, we do provide sample size products which are not individually
listed on eBay because it's hard to calculate the shipping cost
automatically for these light weight items when multiple items are
purchased. To visit our samplers:
http://stores.ebay.com/Teahome-Premi...pl ayZ2QQtZkm

We have taken a lot of orders from our precious customers by email
alone. If
you need customized samplers, just email me; we will do our best to meet
your needs. Use the "contact us" button in our catalog
http://www.teahometw.com/usa/TeahomeEnglishCatalog.htm

About the delivery time, I can not give any guarantee since the work is
done by post office. But we ship products with registration, non of any
our customers didn't get their parcels. Moreover, most customers
received their parcels within 7-10 days, for some recent cases they even
got the parcels in 5 days.

I feel sorry for these inconveniences caused by hanging on another
website. We are building our individual website, we will exactly have
all these barriers solved in our new website.
Thanks for your comment which helps us to enhance our service!



Avon
Regional Manager, North America
Teahome

I think ,perhaps, if you have a repeat customer you accept a personal check
or money order
joanne
"Realtea" wrote in message
news
I'm so sorry to hear that you feel inconvenient with PayPal.
If so......how about money order? We also accept money order. But please
kindly make sure that the money order can be cashed in Canada.
Hope this helps!
Does anyone have other suggestion about payment method beside credit card
merchant?

Avon


"Melinda"
. ..

Unfortunately for you there are those of us who do not use Paypal. I quit
using them when they started asking for my bank account number. If I can
use my credit card through a normal checkout process on a website and I
don't need to give my account number then I feel I should be able to do
so through Paypal but they don't see it that way. They say that it
reduces card fraud...I say my bank accnt number's none of their damn
business...

Melinda



Hi Doug,

Excuse me for my little interruption.
Humm... we do accept credit card payment through Paypal. We chose to
stay
with Paypal because this is the easiest way to guarantee the security of
transaction. They do their works very well! We can even provide invoices
in
Canadian Dollars or Pound Sterling or Euro if they fit our customers'
needs.

Moreover, we do provide sample size products which are not individually
listed on eBay because it's hard to calculate the shipping cost
automatically for these light weight items when multiple items are
purchased. To visit our samplers:
http://stores.ebay.com/Teahome-Premi...pl ayZ2QQtZkm

We have taken a lot of orders from our precious customers by email
alone. If
you need customized samplers, just email me; we will do our best to meet
your needs. Use the "contact us" button in our catalog
http://www.teahometw.com/usa/TeahomeEnglishCatalog.htm

About the delivery time, I can not give any guarantee since the work is
done by post office. But we ship products with registration, non of any
our customers didn't get their parcels. Moreover, most customers
received their parcels within 7-10 days, for some recent cases they even
got the parcels in 5 days.

I feel sorry for these inconveniences caused by hanging on another
website. We are building our individual website, we will exactly have
all these barriers solved in our new website.
Thanks for your comment which helps us to enhance our service!



Avon
Regional Manager, North America
Teahome

Money order is not a problem to us if it's more convenient to tea lovers.
These conditions are indicated in our listing pages.
I didn't especially promote it because these mailing processes take extra
time (which means keeping the buyer waiting!), and it's hard to ask sender
to mail these "valuable paper" with registration. :-1
However, if spending such a time can help you getting fresh tea, I think
that's still worth a try.

I know there are some different payment services, therefore just wonder if
somebodies have experience about them....

Avon


"Joanne Rosen" ...
I think ,perhaps, if you have a repeat customer you accept a personal check
or money order
joanne
"Realtea" wrote in message
news
I'm so sorry to hear that you feel inconvenient with PayPal.
If so......how about money order? We also accept money order. But please
kindly make sure that the money order can be cashed in Canada.
Hope this helps!
Does anyone have other suggestion about payment method beside credit card
merchant?

Avon


"Melinda" . ..

Unfortunately for you there are those of us who do not use Paypal. I
quit using them when they started asking for my bank account number. If
I can use my credit card through a normal checkout process on a website
and I don't need to give my account number then I feel I should be able
to do so through Paypal but they don't see it that way. They say that it
reduces card fraud...I say my bank accnt number's none of their damn
business...

Melinda



Hi Doug,

Excuse me for my little interruption.
Humm... we do accept credit card payment through Paypal. We chose to
stay
with Paypal because this is the easiest way to guarantee the security
of
transaction. They do their works very well! We can even provide
invoices in
Canadian Dollars or Pound Sterling or Euro if they fit our customers'
needs.

Moreover, we do provide sample size products which are not individually
listed on eBay because it's hard to calculate the shipping cost
automatically for these light weight items when multiple items are
purchased. To visit our samplers:
http://stores.ebay.com/Teahome-Premi...pl ayZ2QQtZkm

We have taken a lot of orders from our precious customers by email
alone. If
you need customized samplers, just email me; we will do our best to
meet
your needs. Use the "contact us" button in our catalog
http://www.teahometw.com/usa/TeahomeEnglishCatalog.htm

About the delivery time, I can not give any guarantee since the work is
done by post office. But we ship products with registration, non of any
our customers didn't get their parcels. Moreover, most customers
received their parcels within 7-10 days, for some recent cases they
even got the parcels in 5 days.

I feel sorry for these inconveniences caused by hanging on another
website. We are building our individual website, we will exactly have
all these barriers solved in our new website.
Thanks for your comment which helps us to enhance our service!



Avon
Regional Manager, North America
Teahome

Money order is not a problem to us if it's more convenient to tea lovers.
These conditions are indicated in our listing pages.
I didn't especially promote it because these mailing processes take extra
time (which means keeping the buyer waiting!), and it's hard to ask sender
to mail these "valuable paper" with registration. :-1
However, if spending such a time can help you getting fresh tea, I think
that's still worth a try.

I know there are some different payment services, therefore just wonder if
somebodies have experience about them....

Avon


"Joanne Rosen" ...
I think ,perhaps, if you have a repeat customer you accept a personal check
or money order
joanne
"Realtea" wrote in message
news
I'm so sorry to hear that you feel inconvenient with PayPal.
If so......how about money order? We also accept money order. But please
kindly make sure that the money order can be cashed in Canada.
Hope this helps!
Does anyone have other suggestion about payment method beside credit card
merchant?

Avon


"Melinda" . ..

Unfortunately for you there are those of us who do not use Paypal. I
quit using them when they started asking for my bank account number. If
I can use my credit card through a normal checkout process on a website
and I don't need to give my account number then I feel I should be able
to do so through Paypal but they don't see it that way. They say that it
reduces card fraud...I say my bank accnt number's none of their damn
business...

Melinda



Hi Doug,

Excuse me for my little interruption.
Humm... we do accept credit card payment through Paypal. We chose to
stay
with Paypal because this is the easiest way to guarantee the security
of
transaction. They do their works very well! We can even provide
invoices in
Canadian Dollars or Pound Sterling or Euro if they fit our customers'
needs.

Moreover, we do provide sample size products which are not individually
listed on eBay because it's hard to calculate the shipping cost
automatically for these light weight items when multiple items are
purchased. To visit our samplers:
http://stores.ebay.com/Teahome-Premi...pl ayZ2QQtZkm

We have taken a lot of orders from our precious customers by email
alone. If
you need customized samplers, just email me; we will do our best to
meet
your needs. Use the "contact us" button in our catalog
http://www.teahometw.com/usa/TeahomeEnglishCatalog.htm

About the delivery time, I can not give any guarantee since the work is
done by post office. But we ship products with registration, non of any
our customers didn't get their parcels. Moreover, most customers
received their parcels within 7-10 days, for some recent cases they
even got the parcels in 5 days.

I feel sorry for these inconveniences caused by hanging on another
website. We are building our individual website, we will exactly have
all these barriers solved in our new website.
Thanks for your comment which helps us to enhance our service!



Avon
Regional Manager, North America
Teahome

You are not required to give PayPal your account if you agree to pay with a
credit card. Its only if you want to be "verified" and increase your single
payment above something like a $1,000.
IMHO - no PayPay, no pay, pal.

Sasha.

"Mydnight" wrote in message
...


Don't worry about my retail rants versus websites. It's my picadillo
and I get my shot in whenever I can. It's not the personal You-You
but the impersonal You-They. I do wish PP would let you remove your
bank information once you get verified. As it stands now someone
could hack your account and use it as a source for funding along with
your CC. The hacking would most likely happen at your computer with
spyware sending your logon account keystrokes back to a pirate site.
I use PP with Ebay because the low volume seller wants to get paid and
can't support a CC shopping cart versus the volume dealers who can.
I'm a collector where I buy things all over the world and I've never
had a problem with a PP merchant. I prefer PP over a ubiquitous CC
shopping cart. You can shop Yahoo stores with it's supporting
shopping cart. I think IPOT is one example.

you aren't exactly 'required' to give PP your bank numbers are you?
they keep bothering me about it, but i don't ever plan on giving it.
if they 'require' require me to, i'll just drop my account.


Mydnight

--------------------
thus then i turn me from my countries light, to dwell in the solemn shades
of an endless night.

You are not required to give PayPal your account if you agree to pay with a
credit card. Its only if you want to be "verified" and increase your single
payment above something like a $1,000.
IMHO - no PayPay, no pay, pal.

Sasha.

"Mydnight" wrote in message
...


Don't worry about my retail rants versus websites. It's my picadillo
and I get my shot in whenever I can. It's not the personal You-You
but the impersonal You-They. I do wish PP would let you remove your
bank information once you get verified. As it stands now someone
could hack your account and use it as a source for funding along with
your CC. The hacking would most likely happen at your computer with
spyware sending your logon account keystrokes back to a pirate site.
I use PP with Ebay because the low volume seller wants to get paid and
can't support a CC shopping cart versus the volume dealers who can.
I'm a collector where I buy things all over the world and I've never
had a problem with a PP merchant. I prefer PP over a ubiquitous CC
shopping cart. You can shop Yahoo stores with it's supporting
shopping cart. I think IPOT is one example.

you aren't exactly 'required' to give PP your bank numbers are you?
they keep bothering me about it, but i don't ever plan on giving it.
if they 'require' require me to, i'll just drop my account.


Mydnight

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thus then i turn me from my countries light, to dwell in the solemn shades
of an endless night.