I mean with puerhs, of course.

So, I tried almost all the puerhs I bought.
Puerh experience in general:
In general: I did not fell in love at the first sight. Good oolongs had more
of the Marylyn Monroe, if we use Americanisms, quality. And same lack of
depth both in beauty and emotions.
But these ladies have the quality of knowing both how to show just enough
of the upper seam on the pantyhose to excite the fertile mind and also how
to intrigue it with a matter-of-factly comment that reveal depth and
originality. This is a promise of a less tumultuous but maybe deeper and
longer relationship that with oolongs. Anyway, I hate monogamy in all of its
forms. Important thing is to have enough of zishas to keep the ladies from
meeting each other.

Greens in general suit me better for now. These are more solemn, ceremonial,
strict, knightly. I have not tried Dai bamboo yet, I am waiting for the
right moment.

Mini Menghai Beencha 1999 - all that I expected and a promise of more. I do
not have yet the point of reference - too many too complex things that have
not yet sort themselves out. I feel like I opened a math text on a subject I
have no special knowledge of.. Like topology, for example. But it is
interesting and intriguing and demands attention and work of mind.

Fangcha - 1999 Not too impressed. May be I am too green and inexperienced
myself and I should try sometime later.

I did not wanted to buy black puerhs because I did try them before and did
not like that special taste of a dog breath. Dave, however talked me into
trying some (did not take him too long) and I bought Ages Large leaf from
Old trees and Gold Bud beencha.
These have almost no dog-breath and even if they did - that dog had his food
prepared by a gourmet chef.
More feminine, passionate and less contrasty. Compares with green like a
sophisticated touch of a female hand compares with a exceptionally good
translation of your favorite passage from Confucius. You want to dissolve in
first and have a long thought about the second. But both are near-orgasmic.

I liked better the Gold bud, but while my first judgments about oolongs
almost always never changed, this time I am not so sure. I may just be
entering something for complexity of which I am not ready yet and have to
see much more before I start to distinguish between art and kitsch. Picasso
looks rude at first too.

More to come.

Sasha.

It is often said that one you truly experience puerh, nothing else
will do.

Mike



On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:14:54 GMT, "Alex Chaihorsky"
cast caution to the wind and posted:

I mean with puerhs, of course.

So, I tried almost all the puerhs I bought.
Puerh experience in general:
In general: I did not fell in love at the first sight. Good oolongs had more
of the Marylyn Monroe, if we use Americanisms, quality. And same lack of
depth both in beauty and emotions.
But these ladies have the quality of knowing both how to show just enough
of the upper seam on the pantyhose to excite the fertile mind and also how
to intrigue it with a matter-of-factly comment that reveal depth and
originality. This is a promise of a less tumultuous but maybe deeper and
longer relationship that with oolongs. Anyway, I hate monogamy in all of its
forms. Important thing is to have enough of zishas to keep the ladies from
meeting each other.

Greens in general suit me better for now. These are more solemn, ceremonial,
strict, knightly. I have not tried Dai bamboo yet, I am waiting for the
right moment.

Mini Menghai Beencha 1999 - all that I expected and a promise of more. I do
not have yet the point of reference - too many too complex things that have
not yet sort themselves out. I feel like I opened a math text on a subject I
have no special knowledge of.. Like topology, for example. But it is
interesting and intriguing and demands attention and work of mind.

Fangcha - 1999 Not too impressed. May be I am too green and inexperienced
myself and I should try sometime later.

I did not wanted to buy black puerhs because I did try them before and did
not like that special taste of a dog breath. Dave, however talked me into
trying some (did not take him too long) and I bought Ages Large leaf from
Old trees and Gold Bud beencha.
These have almost no dog-breath and even if they did - that dog had his food
prepared by a gourmet chef.
More feminine, passionate and less contrasty. Compares with green like a
sophisticated touch of a female hand compares with a exceptionally good
translation of your favorite passage from Confucius. You want to dissolve in
first and have a long thought about the second. But both are near-orgasmic.

I liked better the Gold bud, but while my first judgments about oolongs
almost always never changed, this time I am not so sure. I may just be
entering something for complexity of which I am not ready yet and have to
see much more before I start to distinguish between art and kitsch. Picasso
looks rude at first too.

More to come.

Sasha.

It is often said that one you truly experience puerh, nothing else
will do.

Mike



On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:14:54 GMT, "Alex Chaihorsky"
cast caution to the wind and posted:

I mean with puerhs, of course.

So, I tried almost all the puerhs I bought.
Puerh experience in general:
In general: I did not fell in love at the first sight. Good oolongs had more
of the Marylyn Monroe, if we use Americanisms, quality. And same lack of
depth both in beauty and emotions.
But these ladies have the quality of knowing both how to show just enough
of the upper seam on the pantyhose to excite the fertile mind and also how
to intrigue it with a matter-of-factly comment that reveal depth and
originality. This is a promise of a less tumultuous but maybe deeper and
longer relationship that with oolongs. Anyway, I hate monogamy in all of its
forms. Important thing is to have enough of zishas to keep the ladies from
meeting each other.

Greens in general suit me better for now. These are more solemn, ceremonial,
strict, knightly. I have not tried Dai bamboo yet, I am waiting for the
right moment.

Mini Menghai Beencha 1999 - all that I expected and a promise of more. I do
not have yet the point of reference - too many too complex things that have
not yet sort themselves out. I feel like I opened a math text on a subject I
have no special knowledge of.. Like topology, for example. But it is
interesting and intriguing and demands attention and work of mind.

Fangcha - 1999 Not too impressed. May be I am too green and inexperienced
myself and I should try sometime later.

I did not wanted to buy black puerhs because I did try them before and did
not like that special taste of a dog breath. Dave, however talked me into
trying some (did not take him too long) and I bought Ages Large leaf from
Old trees and Gold Bud beencha.
These have almost no dog-breath and even if they did - that dog had his food
prepared by a gourmet chef.
More feminine, passionate and less contrasty. Compares with green like a
sophisticated touch of a female hand compares with a exceptionally good
translation of your favorite passage from Confucius. You want to dissolve in
first and have a long thought about the second. But both are near-orgasmic.

I liked better the Gold bud, but while my first judgments about oolongs
almost always never changed, this time I am not so sure. I may just be
entering something for complexity of which I am not ready yet and have to
see much more before I start to distinguish between art and kitsch. Picasso
looks rude at first too.

More to come.

Sasha.

Alex digy.com9/19/04


Anyway, I hate monogamy in all of its
forms. Important thing is to have enough of zishas to keep the ladies from
meeting each other.

Anyway, now that you put it that way, I'll re-examine my position.

Greens in general suit me better for now. These are more solemn, ceremonial,
strict, knightly. I have not tried Dai bamboo yet, I am waiting for the
right moment.

Really nice tea. When the moment strikes, report please.

Mini Menghai Beencha 1999 - all that I expected and a promise of more. I do
not have yet the point of reference - too many too complex things that have
not yet sort themselves out. I feel like I opened a math text on a subject I
have no special knowledge of.. Like topology, for example. But it is
interesting and intriguing and demands attention and work of mind.

Well said, to be sure. I love it. It's complexity enthrawled me. I'm
ordering some today. Wonder if it would be a good saver tea. That's the
impresion it gives me.

Fangcha - 1999 Not too impressed. May be I am too green and inexperienced
myself and I should try sometime later.

I enjoy mine, but against the Menhai Beengcha 1999, it seems a bit weak.
Haven't tried it in months. I'll have another go.

I did not wanted to buy black puerhs because I did try them before and did
not like that special taste of a dog breath. Dave, however talked me into
trying some (did not take him too long) and I bought Ages Large leaf from
Old trees and Gold Bud beencha.
These have almost no dog-breath and even if they did - that dog had his food
prepared by a gourmet chef.

What about soil, loam, peaty earth? Anything in there? Did you try a Liu
An? Not Pu-erh per se, but Pu-erh like, and from Guangxi.

More feminine, passionate and less contrasty. Compares with green like a
sophisticated touch of a female hand compares with a exceptionally good
translation of your favorite passage from Confucius. You want to dissolve in
first and have a long thought about the second. But both are near-orgasmic.

Near?

I liked better the Gold bud, but while my first judgments about oolongs
almost always never changed, this time I am not so sure. I may just be
entering something for complexity of which I am not ready yet and have to
see much more before I start to distinguish between art and kitsch. Picasso
looks rude at first too.

Picasso *is* rude, but so then is Pound. Now, I'm not that fond of Gold Bud
myself, but again, I compared it to the Meng Hai, which is special. Perhaps,
not fair to the Gold Bud.

More to come.

Good.

By the way, in answer to your "how to brew" post, I have two suggestions:
First, the Perin Params: 175F, half as many grams of dry tea as ounces of
water, four minutes. Also, try at 195-200F,beginning with near instant
pours and increasing according to taste. Use small pots and somewhat more
leaf to water.. Neither method will be Gung-fu True, but you can pretend.
That is what I do. Oversteeping will harshen the tea.

Michael

Alex digy.com9/19/04


Anyway, I hate monogamy in all of its
forms. Important thing is to have enough of zishas to keep the ladies from
meeting each other.

Anyway, now that you put it that way, I'll re-examine my position.

Greens in general suit me better for now. These are more solemn, ceremonial,
strict, knightly. I have not tried Dai bamboo yet, I am waiting for the
right moment.

Really nice tea. When the moment strikes, report please.

Mini Menghai Beencha 1999 - all that I expected and a promise of more. I do
not have yet the point of reference - too many too complex things that have
not yet sort themselves out. I feel like I opened a math text on a subject I
have no special knowledge of.. Like topology, for example. But it is
interesting and intriguing and demands attention and work of mind.

Well said, to be sure. I love it. It's complexity enthrawled me. I'm
ordering some today. Wonder if it would be a good saver tea. That's the
impresion it gives me.

Fangcha - 1999 Not too impressed. May be I am too green and inexperienced
myself and I should try sometime later.

I enjoy mine, but against the Menhai Beengcha 1999, it seems a bit weak.
Haven't tried it in months. I'll have another go.

I did not wanted to buy black puerhs because I did try them before and did
not like that special taste of a dog breath. Dave, however talked me into
trying some (did not take him too long) and I bought Ages Large leaf from
Old trees and Gold Bud beencha.
These have almost no dog-breath and even if they did - that dog had his food
prepared by a gourmet chef.

What about soil, loam, peaty earth? Anything in there? Did you try a Liu
An? Not Pu-erh per se, but Pu-erh like, and from Guangxi.

More feminine, passionate and less contrasty. Compares with green like a
sophisticated touch of a female hand compares with a exceptionally good
translation of your favorite passage from Confucius. You want to dissolve in
first and have a long thought about the second. But both are near-orgasmic.

Near?

I liked better the Gold bud, but while my first judgments about oolongs
almost always never changed, this time I am not so sure. I may just be
entering something for complexity of which I am not ready yet and have to
see much more before I start to distinguish between art and kitsch. Picasso
looks rude at first too.

Picasso *is* rude, but so then is Pound. Now, I'm not that fond of Gold Bud
myself, but again, I compared it to the Meng Hai, which is special. Perhaps,
not fair to the Gold Bud.

More to come.

Good.

By the way, in answer to your "how to brew" post, I have two suggestions:
First, the Perin Params: 175F, half as many grams of dry tea as ounces of
water, four minutes. Also, try at 195-200F,beginning with near instant
pours and increasing according to taste. Use small pots and somewhat more
leaf to water.. Neither method will be Gung-fu True, but you can pretend.
That is what I do. Oversteeping will harshen the tea.

Michael

Mini Menghai Beencha 1999 - all that I expected and a promise of more. I
do
not have yet the point of reference - too many too complex things that
have
not yet sort themselves out. I feel like I opened a math text on a
subject I
have no special knowledge of.. Like topology, for example. But it is
interesting and intriguing and demands attention and work of mind.

Well said, to be sure. I love it. It's complexity enthrawled me. I'm
ordering some today. Wonder if it would be a good saver tea. That's the
impresion it gives me.

If I am right, the word "menghai" is a geographical location. The "Gold bud"
tea also has "Minghai" on its wrapper and I start to wonder if all these
westernized tea names are just "marketing names. That would be a warning for
us not to buy a tea without seeing the pic of its wrapper.
I would gladly just show you the characters here but for some reason it
seems to me that USENET chops-off some bits off UNICODE.

Old trees and Gold Bud beencha.
These have almost no dog-breath and even if they did - that dog had his
food
prepared by a gourmet chef.

What about soil, loam, peaty earth? Anything in there? Did you try a
Liu
An? Not Pu-erh per se, but Pu-erh like, and from Guangxi.

I need more time. See, my nose was broken when I was young and somehow my
sense of smell may be very sensitive in one part of the "spectra" and not so
much in another. I have trouble naming puerh scents.

But both are near-orgasmic.

Near?

Mike, I envy you

Mini Menghai Beencha 1999 - all that I expected and a promise of more. I
do
not have yet the point of reference - too many too complex things that
have
not yet sort themselves out. I feel like I opened a math text on a
subject I
have no special knowledge of.. Like topology, for example. But it is
interesting and intriguing and demands attention and work of mind.

Well said, to be sure. I love it. It's complexity enthrawled me. I'm
ordering some today. Wonder if it would be a good saver tea. That's the
impresion it gives me.

If I am right, the word "menghai" is a geographical location. The "Gold bud"
tea also has "Minghai" on its wrapper and I start to wonder if all these
westernized tea names are just "marketing names. That would be a warning for
us not to buy a tea without seeing the pic of its wrapper.
I would gladly just show you the characters here but for some reason it
seems to me that USENET chops-off some bits off UNICODE.

Old trees and Gold Bud beencha.
These have almost no dog-breath and even if they did - that dog had his
food
prepared by a gourmet chef.

What about soil, loam, peaty earth? Anything in there? Did you try a
Liu
An? Not Pu-erh per se, but Pu-erh like, and from Guangxi.

I need more time. See, my nose was broken when I was young and somehow my
sense of smell may be very sensitive in one part of the "spectra" and not so
much in another. I have trouble naming puerh scents.

But both are near-orgasmic.

Near?

Mike, I envy you

Mini Menghai Beencha 1999 - all that I expected and a promise of more. I
do
not have yet the point of reference - too many too complex things that
have
not yet sort themselves out. I feel like I opened a math text on a
subject I
have no special knowledge of.. Like topology, for example. But it is
interesting and intriguing and demands attention and work of mind.

Well said, to be sure. I love it. It's complexity enthrawled me. I'm
ordering some today. Wonder if it would be a good saver tea. That's the
impresion it gives me.

If I am right, the word "menghai" is a geographical location. The "Gold bud"
tea also has "Minghai" on its wrapper and I start to wonder if all these
westernized tea names are just "marketing names. That would be a warning for
us not to buy a tea without seeing the pic of its wrapper.
I would gladly just show you the characters here but for some reason it
seems to me that USENET chops-off some bits off UNICODE.

Old trees and Gold Bud beencha.
These have almost no dog-breath and even if they did - that dog had his
food
prepared by a gourmet chef.

What about soil, loam, peaty earth? Anything in there? Did you try a
Liu
An? Not Pu-erh per se, but Pu-erh like, and from Guangxi.

I need more time. See, my nose was broken when I was young and somehow my
sense of smell may be very sensitive in one part of the "spectra" and not so
much in another. I have trouble naming puerh scents.

But both are near-orgasmic.

Near?

Mike, I envy you

"Alex Chaihorsky" writes:

Mini Menghai Beencha 1999 - all that I expected and a promise of
more. I do not have yet the point of reference - too many too
complex things that have not yet sort themselves out. I feel like
I opened a math text on a subject I have no special knowledge
of.. Like topology, for example. But it is interesting and
intriguing and demands attention and work of mind.

Well said, to be sure. I love it. It's complexity enthrawled me. I'm
ordering some today. Wonder if it would be a good saver tea. That's the
impresion it gives me.

If I am right, the word "menghai" is a geographical location.

Yes. It's the location of a Puerh factory. I think this factory has
produced much (most?) of the Puerh grown in Xishuangbanna (the
canonical area for growing the leaf) west of the Mekong. Mike Petro
will probably correct me if I'm wrong.

The "Gold bud" tea also has "Minghai" on its wrapper and I start to
wonder if all these westernized tea names are just "marketing
names. That would be a warning for us not to buy a tea without
seeing the pic of its wrapper.

You have a point there, but isn't the wrapper yet another marketing
tool, just with a different intended audience?

/Lew
---
Lew Perin /
http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html

I mean with puerhs, of course.

So, I tried almost all the puerhs I bought.
Puerh experience in general:
In general: I did not fell in love at the first sight. Good oolongs had more
of the Marylyn Monroe, if we use Americanisms, quality. And same lack of
depth both in beauty and emotions.
But these ladies have the quality of knowing both how to show just enough
of the upper seam on the pantyhose to excite the fertile mind and also how
to intrigue it with a matter-of-factly comment that reveal depth and
originality. This is a promise of a less tumultuous but maybe deeper and
longer relationship that with oolongs. Anyway, I hate monogamy in all of its
forms. Important thing is to have enough of zishas to keep the ladies from
meeting each other.

Greens in general suit me better for now. These are more solemn, ceremonial,
strict, knightly. I have not tried Dai bamboo yet, I am waiting for the
right moment.

Mini Menghai Beencha 1999 - all that I expected and a promise of more. I do
not have yet the point of reference - too many too complex things that have
not yet sort themselves out. I feel like I opened a math text on a subject I
have no special knowledge of.. Like topology, for example. But it is
interesting and intriguing and demands attention and work of mind.

Fangcha - 1999 Not too impressed. May be I am too green and inexperienced
myself and I should try sometime later.

I did not wanted to buy black puerhs because I did try them before and did
not like that special taste of a dog breath. Dave, however talked me into
trying some (did not take him too long) and I bought Ages Large leaf from
Old trees and Gold Bud beencha.
These have almost no dog-breath and even if they did - that dog had his food
prepared by a gourmet chef.
More feminine, passionate and less contrasty. Compares with green like a
sophisticated touch of a female hand compares with a exceptionally good
translation of your favorite passage from Confucius. You want to dissolve in
first and have a long thought about the second. But both are near-orgasmic.

I liked better the Gold bud, but while my first judgments about oolongs
almost always never changed, this time I am not so sure. I may just be
entering something for complexity of which I am not ready yet and have to
see much more before I start to distinguish between art and kitsch. Picasso
looks rude at first too.

More to come.

Sasha.

What a great description! Puerh descriptions are always such a turn
off, they sound so unappealing. Whenever I get the urge to try some I
just read any description from a tea company and change my mind. But
after reading this post....

I mean with puerhs, of course.

So, I tried almost all the puerhs I bought.
Puerh experience in general:
In general: I did not fell in love at the first sight. Good oolongs had more
of the Marylyn Monroe, if we use Americanisms, quality. And same lack of
depth both in beauty and emotions.
But these ladies have the quality of knowing both how to show just enough
of the upper seam on the pantyhose to excite the fertile mind and also how
to intrigue it with a matter-of-factly comment that reveal depth and
originality. This is a promise of a less tumultuous but maybe deeper and
longer relationship that with oolongs. Anyway, I hate monogamy in all of its
forms. Important thing is to have enough of zishas to keep the ladies from
meeting each other.

Greens in general suit me better for now. These are more solemn, ceremonial,
strict, knightly. I have not tried Dai bamboo yet, I am waiting for the
right moment.

Mini Menghai Beencha 1999 - all that I expected and a promise of more. I do
not have yet the point of reference - too many too complex things that have
not yet sort themselves out. I feel like I opened a math text on a subject I
have no special knowledge of.. Like topology, for example. But it is
interesting and intriguing and demands attention and work of mind.

Fangcha - 1999 Not too impressed. May be I am too green and inexperienced
myself and I should try sometime later.

I did not wanted to buy black puerhs because I did try them before and did
not like that special taste of a dog breath. Dave, however talked me into
trying some (did not take him too long) and I bought Ages Large leaf from
Old trees and Gold Bud beencha.
These have almost no dog-breath and even if they did - that dog had his food
prepared by a gourmet chef.
More feminine, passionate and less contrasty. Compares with green like a
sophisticated touch of a female hand compares with a exceptionally good
translation of your favorite passage from Confucius. You want to dissolve in
first and have a long thought about the second. But both are near-orgasmic.

I liked better the Gold bud, but while my first judgments about oolongs
almost always never changed, this time I am not so sure. I may just be
entering something for complexity of which I am not ready yet and have to
see much more before I start to distinguish between art and kitsch. Picasso
looks rude at first too.

More to come.

Sasha.

What a great description! Puerh descriptions are always such a turn
off, they sound so unappealing. Whenever I get the urge to try some I
just read any description from a tea company and change my mind. But
after reading this post....

I have not tried Dai bamboo yet, I am waiting for the right moment.

The moment came today. Dai bamboo 1996 is a good tea but nothing special.,
if you ask me.
May be it requires a more experienced drinker, may be cooler than 180 water.
may be longer wash (I did 2 washed 15-20 sec each)
I have not noticed anything bamboo in it. It may as well be kept in a PVC
pipe. But I did noticed it's bitter aftertaste. Just plain bitter, no
under-over-tones.

So, among the teas listed in teh thread, I lean more towars Mini menghai
Beencha 1999. Of course my dissapointment with it that it does not say
"Menghai" anywhere on therapper, so unless I am willing to buy it
exclusively from Dave, I have no chance of buying it. That botheres me.
Teas should be like wine - "appellacion d' origine controlee", name and a
year. Otherwise - too much fraud possibilities. I need to call We Jia Bao
about this. he is a former field geologist himself, he will understand

Sasha.

I have not tried Dai bamboo yet, I am waiting for the right moment.

The moment came today. Dai bamboo 1996 is a good tea but nothing special.,
if you ask me.
May be it requires a more experienced drinker, may be cooler than 180 water.
may be longer wash (I did 2 washed 15-20 sec each)
I have not noticed anything bamboo in it. It may as well be kept in a PVC
pipe. But I did noticed it's bitter aftertaste. Just plain bitter, no
under-over-tones.

So, among the teas listed in teh thread, I lean more towars Mini menghai
Beencha 1999. Of course my dissapointment with it that it does not say
"Menghai" anywhere on therapper, so unless I am willing to buy it
exclusively from Dave, I have no chance of buying it. That botheres me.
Teas should be like wine - "appellacion d' origine controlee", name and a
year. Otherwise - too much fraud possibilities. I need to call We Jia Bao
about this. he is a former field geologist himself, he will understand

Sasha.

I have not tried Dai bamboo yet, I am waiting for the right moment.

The moment came today. Dai bamboo 1996 is a good tea but nothing special.,
if you ask me.
May be it requires a more experienced drinker, may be cooler than 180 water.
may be longer wash (I did 2 washed 15-20 sec each)
I have not noticed anything bamboo in it. It may as well be kept in a PVC
pipe. But I did noticed it's bitter aftertaste. Just plain bitter, no
under-over-tones.

So, among the teas listed in teh thread, I lean more towars Mini menghai
Beencha 1999. Of course my dissapointment with it that it does not say
"Menghai" anywhere on therapper, so unless I am willing to buy it
exclusively from Dave, I have no chance of buying it. That botheres me.
Teas should be like wine - "appellacion d' origine controlee", name and a
year. Otherwise - too much fraud possibilities. I need to call We Jia Bao
about this. he is a former field geologist himself, he will understand

Sasha.

Teas should be like wine - "appellacion d' origine controlee", name and a
year. Otherwise - too much fraud possibilities. I need to call We Jia Bao
about this. he is a former field geologist himself, he will understand

Yes, this is a problem with the whole puer industry. You pretty much
have to develop a relationship with a vendor whom you trust. Don't
assume that because you recognize the outer tissue paper wrapper that
you know the tea inside. These wrappers are not sealed in any way and
there is nothing to prevent someone from unwrapping a cake and putting
their own wrapper on it. This is actually a fairly common practice.
Also, in China a given factory will often use whatever paper wrappers
that may be handy meaning that there is often no real link between the
wrapper and the tea inside. This is why you see the larger factories
imbed a label or piece of ribbon into the cake itself during the
manufacturing process, to help prevent forgeries. There is a move
lately to imbed logo impressions into the tea cakes directly.

But another thing you must realize is that there can be significant
variation within a single year from a single factory. Many factories
will process the leaves from the farmers as they are brought in and
wrap them all in the same paper. Consequently cakes made from leaf of
farmer #1 and cakes made from leaf of farmer #2 may taste very
different but have the exact same wrapper. Some years are more
repeatable than others. Product coming from the factory's own farms is
often more repeatable.

Puer production in the minority villages is also very much like a folk
craft where individual skill and tribal tradition dictate the process.
Repeatability is not highly sought after.

Mike Petro
http://www.pu-erh.net
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