Same thing - depends on a translator. The first Character Guan is to listen,
the second Yin - sound(s). Since listening imply sounds, I translated the
way I did. I have seen a translation "Listening to the sounds of the world".
As you remember Avalokiteshvara postponed his (in China her) ascent to the
state of Buddha until he(she) helps all she/he can help. So he/she listens
to the problems of the poor and sick and helps them.
That also allows to translate Guan Yin as "The one who listens to the
prayers".
Wen Yan (ancient Chinese literary language) allows lot of flexibility, as a
matter of fact it is a part of its mechanics.

Sasha.

"Michael Plant" wrote in message
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Alex igy.com9/13/04


Really? Well that explains then why it is written as Guan Yin (The One
that
Listens).
BTW, the reason it is "Iron" or rather "Heavy metal" (Te) has nothing to
do
with the Bodhisattva, but the quality of the tea that can take up to 10
steeps and still be quite readable. That "sturdiness" earns it the
"Iron"
part.

Sasha.



I thought it was an iron statue of the BS in front of the original tree or
something like that. "The One that Listens"? That's very interesting.
Kanzeon (Japanese version) is "He who hears the sounds of the world," a
romantic translation, I'll betcha. What happened to the usual Guan Yin
translation, "Goddess of Mercy"?

BTW, does that iron thing you mention above extend to punk?

M

Sorry forgot the second part of your question - the translation of "Goddess
of Mercy" takes into the account that Guan Yin (Aval-a) listens and then
helps, i.e. excersises mercy. Remember the exact translation of the name
"Christ" is "The one who was crucified) but he is also called "Savior" etc.
Same thing here.

Sasha.

"Alex Chaihorsky" wrote in message
om...
Same thing - depends on a translator. The first Character Guan is to
listen, the second Yin - sound(s). Since listening imply sounds, I
translated the way I did. I have seen a translation "Listening to the
sounds of the world". As you remember Avalokiteshvara postponed his (in
China her) ascent to the state of Buddha until he(she) helps all she/he
can help. So he/she listens to the problems of the poor and sick and helps
them.
That also allows to translate Guan Yin as "The one who listens to the
prayers".
Wen Yan (ancient Chinese literary language) allows lot of flexibility, as
a matter of fact it is a part of its mechanics.

Sasha.

"Michael Plant" wrote in message
...
Alex igy.com9/13/04


Really? Well that explains then why it is written as Guan Yin (The One
that
Listens).
BTW, the reason it is "Iron" or rather "Heavy metal" (Te) has nothing to
do
with the Bodhisattva, but the quality of the tea that can take up to 10
steeps and still be quite readable. That "sturdiness" earns it the
"Iron"
part.

Sasha.



I thought it was an iron statue of the BS in front of the original tree
or
something like that. "The One that Listens"? That's very interesting.
Kanzeon (Japanese version) is "He who hears the sounds of the world," a
romantic translation, I'll betcha. What happened to the usual Guan Yin
translation, "Goddess of Mercy"?

BTW, does that iron thing you mention above extend to punk?

M

"Alex Chaihorsky" wrote in message . com...

Remember the exact translation of the name
"Christ" is "The one who was crucified) but he is also called "Savior" etc.

No, the exact translation of "Christ" is "anointed", and it comes from
Greek "Khristos" through the Latinized form "Christus". The Greek
itself is a translation of the Hebrew "Mashiach", meaning the same.

Gyorgy

"Alex Chaihorsky" wrote in message . com...

Remember the exact translation of the name
"Christ" is "The one who was crucified) but he is also called "Savior" etc.

No, the exact translation of "Christ" is "anointed", and it comes from
Greek "Khristos" through the Latinized form "Christus". The Greek
itself is a translation of the Hebrew "Mashiach", meaning the same.

Gyorgy

Alex igy.com9/13/04


Same thing - depends on a translator. The first Character Guan is to listen,
the second Yin - sound(s). Since listening imply sounds, I translated the
way I did. I have seen a translation "Listening to the sounds of the world".
As you remember Avalokiteshvara postponed his (in China her) ascent to the
state of Buddha until he(she) helps all she/he can help. So he/she listens
to the problems of the poor and sick and helps them.

The sine qua non of BS's, me thinks. Me, I'm going to hell in a handbasket
for less altruistic considerations. I'll see who could use a hand down there
though while I'm at it. Seriously, I had never heard that translation out of
the Chinese tradition. Thanks.

That also allows to translate Guan Yin as "The one who listens to the
prayers".
Wen Yan (ancient Chinese literary language) allows lot of flexibility, as a
matter of fact it is a part of its mechanics.

Yes, indeed you are right. I read a sutra once myself. Didn't like it
though. Speaking of which, I had oral surgery recently and my stitches came
out. Dental appointment Wednesday. Puts a damper on tea, but I wouldn't let
a little thing like that stop me.

Misha/Michael/M

Alex igy.com9/13/04


Same thing - depends on a translator. The first Character Guan is to listen,
the second Yin - sound(s). Since listening imply sounds, I translated the
way I did. I have seen a translation "Listening to the sounds of the world".
As you remember Avalokiteshvara postponed his (in China her) ascent to the
state of Buddha until he(she) helps all she/he can help. So he/she listens
to the problems of the poor and sick and helps them.

The sine qua non of BS's, me thinks. Me, I'm going to hell in a handbasket
for less altruistic considerations. I'll see who could use a hand down there
though while I'm at it. Seriously, I had never heard that translation out of
the Chinese tradition. Thanks.

That also allows to translate Guan Yin as "The one who listens to the
prayers".
Wen Yan (ancient Chinese literary language) allows lot of flexibility, as a
matter of fact it is a part of its mechanics.

Yes, indeed you are right. I read a sutra once myself. Didn't like it
though. Speaking of which, I had oral surgery recently and my stitches came
out. Dental appointment Wednesday. Puts a damper on tea, but I wouldn't let
a little thing like that stop me.

Misha/Michael/M