"Joanne Rosen" wrote in message link.net...
okay it is my turn to play" Debbie D."

enough selling of your products and website


"Michael Ryan"


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I haven't found Michael at all bothersome. I think he's been quite
helpful as a matter of fact.

Cameron

I agree.
Helpful & no noticible selling except the link to his shop.

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Date: 1/19/2004 12:38 PM Eastern Standard Time
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okay it is my turn to play" Debbie D."

enough selling of your products and website


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I haven't found Michael at all bothersome. I think he's been quite
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Michael 1/17/04


Hey Marshall,

snip

Here is where you could say some of the parts are mass-assembled, when
they make a pot they do not make one base or lid at a time instead
they use three or four sheets of clay and cut them at the same time
ensuring that each one is cut with the recorded measurements each
time. Imagine four sheets of clay all the same thickness sitting side
by side and then cutting out a pre measured square or a circle through
all three or four of them all at one sitting, this is where you get
consistency. The more skillful the artists the more individual parts
they can work on at one time to speed up the process.

The next thing is to make is a basic mold for the handle and or spout
(this typically will be the only molds on a hand made teapot). This
mold is a very generic mold with only the basic shape in mind. They
use this mold more like a press because the clay is too thick to pour.

Your paragraph above presents the only puzzlement for me. I always "pulled"
handles using well aged clay, never used a "mold" as you describe. I would
think that the artist-potters you describe would pull handles as well.
Perhaps the small size of the handle makes it amenable more to molding.
Anyway, that surprised me.

snip


In China, the Chinese Central Arts & Crafts Association (CCACA for
short this maybe not the official acronym) is a government ran
organization they are the ones responsible for awarding and ranking
artist in their field. There are two very big Yixing tea potters
names in China, one of them is Xu Han Tang, and the other is Jiang
Rong. Both Xu Han Tang and Jiang Rong are one of the few people
classified as Master Artist in the CCACA.

This link to Jian Rong's teapots might help. I can see the extraordinary
skill required to produce these, but they are not quite to my simplistic
simple taste.

http://www.cnarts.net/eweb/KnowArts/zsty/zsjb/master/xdmj/Jiangrong/

Please correct me if I have the wrong potter. (I couldn't find a link to Xu
Han Tang, although I'll keep looking.)

According to the CCACA Xu Han Tang is in the top five living Yixing
teapot artist in his field (argued the best) of making traditional
Yixing teapots. Jiang Rong is the top five living Yixing teapot
artist in her field that makes non-traditional nature style teapots.
You also have to look at it like this who says Monet, Degas, Renoir,
and Van Gogh are the most famous artist in the world would one accuse
me of Puffery if I said that?

snip

One more thing I will be visiting some friends in Yixing maybe in
February I will take some pictures of artist making teapots for all of
you to enjoy. That also may make my descriptions above more clear.

I'd enjoy seeing them.

Michael

Hi all,

The good news I got dsl. The bad news no newsgroup server. The good
news I can surf. The bad news I have too redouble my efforts to put
any WWW site mentioned in this group in my browser's prohibited
websites. Nothing worse than surfing then to stumble across someone's
clueless idea of where to buy tea on the Internet. Now exacerbated by
the recent phenomenom of each site with it's own groupies. You know
my guy knows more about puerh than your guy or your yixing pot is mass
produced and my handcrafted by an artisan. How come this particular
businessman thinks you're so stupid? He hasn't said anything new on
the subject from yixing seasoning to cooking piles. It is nothing
more than la-de-da and pssst buy something from me while having to
listen to him and a buyer clarify an order over the ng. So for us who
boil water with no newsgroup server that only leaves Google with no
guarantee of any timelag turnaround so I'll miss my tit-for-tat
repartee but it'll give me more time to enjoy my expensive pence\gram
tea. If I ever figure how to do it again I'll get a new Google
account with my new email address because died
with the 14.4 dialup. Look a picture of a naked woman in an email
popup while Googling, Yahoo*&$&^%$#*&

Jim

Mike Petro wrote in message . ..
Michael has helped me by educating me, above and beyond any business
transactions. I, for one, appreciate his posts. I feel that they are
predominantly informational with very little spam injected. Yes he has
a business and might be a little overt at times, but I think he brings
a lot to the table. Being in the business gives him a certain
credibility that most of us consumers just don't have.

Michael, I would refrain from directly criticizing other specific
vendors though, like the Lipton thing. It comes across as being less
than objective when everyone knows you have your own business.

Just MHO,


Mike Petro

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"Space Cowboy" wrote in message om...
Hi all,

The good news I got dsl. The bad news no newsgroup server. The good
news I can surf. The bad news I have too redouble my efforts to put
any WWW site mentioned in this group in my browser's prohibited
websites. Nothing worse than surfing then to stumble across someone's
clueless idea of where to buy tea on the Internet. Now exacerbated by
the recent phenomenom of each site with it's own groupies. You know
my guy knows more about puerh than your guy or your yixing pot is mass
produced and my handcrafted by an artisan. How come this particular
businessman thinks you're so stupid? He hasn't said anything new on
the subject from yixing seasoning to cooking piles. It is nothing
more than la-de-da and pssst buy something from me while having to
listen to him and a buyer clarify an order over the ng. So for us who
boil water with no newsgroup server that only leaves Google with no
guarantee of any timelag turnaround so I'll miss my tit-for-tat
repartee but it'll give me more time to enjoy my expensive pence\gram
tea. If I ever figure how to do it again I'll get a new Google
account with my new email address because died
with the 14.4 dialup. Look a picture of a naked woman in an email
popup while Googling, Yahoo*&$&^%$#*&

Jim

Mike Petro wrote in message . ..
Michael has helped me by educating me, above and beyond any business
transactions. I, for one, appreciate his posts. I feel that they are
predominantly informational with very little spam injected. Yes he has
a business and might be a little overt at times, but I think he brings
a lot to the table. Being in the business gives him a certain
credibility that most of us consumers just don't have.

Michael, I would refrain from directly criticizing other specific
vendors though, like the Lipton thing. It comes across as being less
than objective when everyone knows you have your own business.

Just MHO,


Mike Petro

"Space Cowboy" wrote in message om...
Hi all,

The good news I got dsl. The bad news no newsgroup server. The good
news I can surf. Snip

Hi, If you want a good reliable server which is free & has no comercial adverts or ties
Go to http://news.individual.net/
This is the Berlin University server & many people in England use it because of its reliability.
I have used it for about 7 years with no problems.
You have to subscribe (Free) but they don't give out your EMail to anyone.
(You can't access Porn sites but R.F.D.T. is covered)
I hope this helps.
--
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv

Thank you Jim,

Hmmm...I never really thought of myself as a groupie.

I stand by my opinion that WS and Michael have shared more about puerh
than I have found anywhere else on the Internet. What is wrong with
that? I dont have any local sources to learn these things. If you have
another source I would be grateful if you would share it.

BTW what ever happened to your webpage about ethnic languages and
tea terms?


On 21 Jan 2004 09:29:44 -0800, (Space Cowboy)
wrote:

Hi all,

The good news I got dsl. The bad news no newsgroup server. The good
news I can surf. The bad news I have too redouble my efforts to put
any WWW site mentioned in this group in my browser's prohibited
websites. Nothing worse than surfing then to stumble across someone's
clueless idea of where to buy tea on the Internet. Now exacerbated by
the recent phenomenom of each site with it's own groupies. You know
my guy knows more about puerh than your guy or your yixing pot is mass
produced and my handcrafted by an artisan. How come this particular
businessman thinks you're so stupid? He hasn't said anything new on
the subject from yixing seasoning to cooking piles. It is nothing
more than la-de-da and pssst buy something from me while having to
listen to him and a buyer clarify an order over the ng. So for us who
boil water with no newsgroup server that only leaves Google with no
guarantee of any timelag turnaround so I'll miss my tit-for-tat
repartee but it'll give me more time to enjoy my expensive pence\gram
tea. If I ever figure how to do it again I'll get a new Google
account with my new email address because died
with the 14.4 dialup. Look a picture of a naked woman in an email
popup while Googling, Yahoo*&$&^%$#*&

Jim

Mike Petro wrote in message . ..
Michael has helped me by educating me, above and beyond any business
transactions. I, for one, appreciate his posts. I feel that they are
predominantly informational with very little spam injected. Yes he has
a business and might be a little overt at times, but I think he brings
a lot to the table. Being in the business gives him a certain
credibility that most of us consumers just don't have.

Michael, I would refrain from directly criticizing other specific
vendors though, like the Lipton thing. It comes across as being less
than objective when everyone knows you have your own business.

Just MHO,


Mike Petro


Mike Petro
http://www.pu-erh.net
remove the "filter" in my email address to reply

(Space Cowboy) wrote in message . com...
Hi all,

The good news I got dsl. The bad news no newsgroup server. The good
news I can surf. The bad news I have too redouble my efforts to put
any WWW site mentioned in this group in my browser's prohibited
websites. Nothing worse than surfing then to stumble across someone's
clueless idea of where to buy tea on the Internet. Now exacerbated by
the recent phenomenom of each site with it's own groupies. You know
my guy knows more about puerh than your guy or your yixing pot is mass
produced and my handcrafted by an artisan. How come this particular
businessman thinks you're so stupid? He hasn't said anything new on
the subject from yixing seasoning to cooking piles. It is nothing
more than la-de-da and pssst buy something from me while having to
listen to him and a buyer clarify an order over the ng. So for us who
boil water with no newsgroup server that only leaves Google with no
guarantee of any timelag turnaround so I'll miss my tit-for-tat
repartee but it'll give me more time to enjoy my expensive pence\gram
tea. If I ever figure how to do it again I'll get a new Google
account with my new email address because died
with the 14.4 dialup. Look a picture of a naked woman in an email
popup while Googling, Yahoo*&$&^%$#*&

Jim

Mike Petro wrote in message . ..
Michael has helped me by educating me, above and beyond any business
transactions. I, for one, appreciate his posts. I feel that they are
predominantly informational with very little spam injected. Yes he has
a business and might be a little overt at times, but I think he brings
a lot to the table. Being in the business gives him a certain
credibility that most of us consumers just don't have.

Michael, I would refrain from directly criticizing other specific
vendors though, like the Lipton thing. It comes across as being less
than objective when everyone knows you have your own business.

Just MHO,


Mike Petro

Just a little response to passionate 1480 comments snipped and quoted
below.


"Nothing worse than surfing then to stumble across someone's clueless
idea of where to buy tea on the Internet."

I thought the purpose of News Groups was to share information. In
addition, I would think letting others know where to get some product
that is not easy to find. Alternatively, referring someone to a source
you have had good luck with this product this is sharing information
and what News Groups are for or so I thought.

"How come this particular businessman thinks you're so stupid?"

When I posted information about tea and teapots, I said I never
claimed to know everything. I posted this information based off my
first hand experiences. If I made you or anyone else, feel stupid I
am sorry about that, it was not my intention, maybe I should be more
careful when sharing my experiences.

"He hasn't said anything new on the subject from yixing seasoning to
cooking piles."

I only thought that maybe new users would want to see a fresh topic
that was not from 1995 about the processing of tea and other things
asked about often in the New Group, instead of having to dig to the
bottom to find the answer.

"It is nothing more than la-de-da and pssst buy something from me
while having to listen to him and a buyer clarify an order over the
ng."

It is ok if you do not buy anything from me I can accept that. I have
plenty of very happy repeat customers. My intention was not to come
here and sell my products it was to share information. In Hindsight
posting that I sell teapots in this forum was for sure a mistake. I
was only trying to be helpful to the group, but as the old sayings
goes "You can please some of the people some of the time but you can
not please all of the people all of the time."

I will no longer post anything that refers to my business I will
continue to ignore the abundant links to other companies left by users
wanting to help others out by referring them to a source. In
addition, as soon as I figure out how to change my e-mail address I
will change it to something less revealing so that the more sensitive
people are not offended or threatened by it. I will continue to post
pertinent information when I find the time, or answer any questions
asked of me to my best of my ability. I will no longer respond to
these types of negative messages it is not worth the time and it is
like trying to remove a ink dot from a paper the harder you try to
remove it the more messy it gets.

Thanks to all of you who backed me up, it is greatly appreciated. I
am sorry if you think that I should have not responded to this
however, I felt that I had to put in one last word regardless of the
outcome.

me

Mike Petro wrote in message . ..
Thank you Jim,

Hmmm...I never really thought of myself as a groupie.

That's the polite term. See my other postings on johns and pimps
disguised as buyers and sellers. You aren't the first or last to say
'Hey everybody look what I bought and from you know who'. If you want
approval join a ten step program.

I stand by my opinion that WS and Michael have shared more about puerh
than I have found anywhere else on the Internet. What is wrong with
that? I dont have any local sources to learn these things. If you have
another source I would be grateful if you would share it.

You came to the right place. What has been said recently on the
subject has been said before in the ng. The only twist was the use of
the word 'cooking' but in reality is connotative of others terms for
the process. If you want real puerh find a Chinese apothacary.

BTW what ever happened to your webpage about ethnic languages and
tea terms?

I hope you're not holding your breath but since you asked:

Last year I bought a cheap USB digital camera for $35. It worked
great for about a month but was sensitive to light and bright colors.
Prior to the camera I used another USB device but since it was the
first I damaged one of the two ports when I tried to insert it
backwards. Yep you can do that with USB. After getting the camera to
work on the one good port I decided to swap out the two external ports
for two good ones. I opened up the skins and pulled the eight bin
connector on the MB with the two attached ports. I took it the
computer shop and nobody had seen such a combined connector. I ended
up with two 4 pin connectors each with its own port. No matter how
many permutations of motherboard connections I couldn't get any USB
port to work. I reinserted the eight pin connector and couldn't get
it to work again. I should know to ALWAYS mark wiring connections. I
do that for cars even if I pull the battery cables. I'm about ready
to toss my present MB and invest in USB 2.0. Now I got high speed
internet access and when I listen to Internet radio stations all I get
is a staccato because of a bad audio chip plus the buss locks up and I
continually have to reboot. Don't even get me started why my telecom
provider pairs up with MSN except for a modest discount and doesn't
provide NNTP or POP3. Also no personal webpage space. I spew out the
ethnic terms when the posts ask for it if it matches my experiences in
the stores.

Jim

Hi Dave,

Thanks mucho gusto. I always thought free NNTP servers on the
Internet were a myth. I'll give it a whirl. I suspect somewhere
there is a catch like you don't live on this side of the Atlantic or
get the hell out of Iraq. Anyway my new ISP is suppose to have a new
filter to identify dirty pictures to pigeon hole in special folders
for adults only. However easy is that? No guessing.

Jim

"Dave Croft" wrote in message ...
"Space Cowboy" wrote in message om...
Hi all,

The good news I got dsl. The bad news no newsgroup server. The good
news I can surf. Snip

Hi, If you want a good reliable server which is free & has no comercial adverts or ties
Go to http://news.individual.net/
This is the Berlin University server & many people in England use it because of its reliability.
I have used it for about 7 years with no problems.
You have to subscribe (Free) but they don't give out your EMail to anyone.
(You can't access Porn sites but R.F.D.T. is covered)
I hope this helps.

Michael Plant wrote in message ...
Michael 1/17/04


Hey Marshall,

snip

Here is where you could say some of the parts are mass-assembled, when
they make a pot they do not make one base or lid at a time instead
they use three or four sheets of clay and cut them at the same time
ensuring that each one is cut with the recorded measurements each
time. Imagine four sheets of clay all the same thickness sitting side
by side and then cutting out a pre measured square or a circle through
all three or four of them all at one sitting, this is where you get
consistency. The more skillful the artists the more individual parts
they can work on at one time to speed up the process.

The next thing is to make is a basic mold for the handle and or spout
(this typically will be the only molds on a hand made teapot). This
mold is a very generic mold with only the basic shape in mind. They
use this mold more like a press because the clay is too thick to pour.

Your paragraph above presents the only puzzlement for me. I always "pulled"
handles using well aged clay, never used a "mold" as you describe. I would
think that the artist-potters you describe would pull handles as well.
Perhaps the small size of the handle makes it amenable more to molding.
Anyway, that surprised me.

snip


In China, the Chinese Central Arts & Crafts Association (CCACA for
short this maybe not the official acronym) is a government ran
organization they are the ones responsible for awarding and ranking
artist in their field. There are two very big Yixing tea potters
names in China, one of them is Xu Han Tang, and the other is Jiang
Rong. Both Xu Han Tang and Jiang Rong are one of the few people
classified as Master Artist in the CCACA.

This link to Jian Rong's teapots might help. I can see the extraordinary
skill required to produce these, but they are not quite to my simplistic
simple taste.

http://www.cnarts.net/eweb/KnowArts/zsty/zsjb/master/xdmj/Jiangrong/

Please correct me if I have the wrong potter. (I couldn't find a link to Xu
Han Tang, although I'll keep looking.)

According to the CCACA Xu Han Tang is in the top five living Yixing
teapot artist in his field (argued the best) of making traditional
Yixing teapots. Jiang Rong is the top five living Yixing teapot
artist in her field that makes non-traditional nature style teapots.
You also have to look at it like this who says Monet, Degas, Renoir,
and Van Gogh are the most famous artist in the world would one accuse
me of Puffery if I said that?

snip

One more thing I will be visiting some friends in Yixing maybe in
February I will take some pictures of artist making teapots for all of
you to enjoy. That also may make my descriptions above more clear.

I'd enjoy seeing them.

Michael

Found the Link.
http://www.cnarts.net/eweb/KnowArts/...ng/default.htm

In article (Michael Ryan) writes:
Found the Link.
http://www.cnarts.net/eweb/KnowArts/...ng/default.htm

Thanks Michael.

Although advertising is considered to be bad manners on USENET, there
are clever ways of indicating that you are in a business related
to a newsnet group.

************************************************** *****************
.. .signature advertisements.

A .signature is a mini-file that is automatically appended (stuck at the
end of) to any Usenet messages that you post -- regardless of what the
content is. Whether or not you can create and use a .signature depends on
what sort of system you're using to access Usenet news. Many UNIX systems
simply require you to create a file called ".signature" in your root
directory within your shell account and put whatever you want your
..signature to say within that file. Other systems, like America Online,
allow you to do something similar, but the implementation varies from
system to system. If you can't figure out if your system supports a
..signature, ask the people in charge for help.

Typically, it is considered bad manners to put more than four lines of
information in your .signature, regardless of what those four lines might
say or contain. Gigantic ASCII pictures of dragons, for example, are
annoying when you have to see them every time a certain person posts.

Similarly, it's considered bad manners to put an advertisement in your
..signature and then post a lot of empty or nearly-empty articles simply
to get your .signature into various newsgroups.

On the other hand, if you post meaningful, responsible messages in groups
you're actually interested in, and those messages happen to have the
address of your Web page tacked on at the end, few people will complain.

Just keep .signature advertisements extremely short and sweet. Let your
Web page contain the sales pitch -- the .signature should usually be
little more than a listing of your URL and perhaps a mention of what sort
of business you're in.

Restraint and responsibility are everything -- if you've got those, people
will sit up and listen to you.

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/adve.../how-to/part1/

************************************************** *********************

--Marshall

Michael 1/22/04


[re making of teapots]

Found the Link.

http://www.cnarts.net/eweb/KnowArts/...antang/default.
ht


The quote below is from the description of Xu Hantang's Convallaria Teapot
With Overhead Handle linked on the URL above.

"The spout erects upwards smoothly along side the overhead handle of the
teapot."

Is this an example of a Chinese personal ad under: "Boy Teapot Seeks Girl
Teapot"?

Sorry, Xu. Blame your copy writer.

Michael