I have never been a coffee drinker. Now and then, I will pick up a
Frappucino at the grocery store to drink while I am waiting for a taxi
to take me home, but that is the only time I drink it.

I drink a Scottish Breakfast tea from Mark T. Wendell for breakfast and
throughout the day. I have other teas that I drink, also, but the
Scottish Breakfast is my favorite. I never add anything to my tea: no
sweetener, no milk, no flavoring.

On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 02:20:50 -0600, Ripon wrote:

Dear Tea lover:

What is your favorite breakfast tea? Do you drink it straight or use
milk? How many of you switched from Coffee to tea in the morning? Please
leave your comment about your breakfast tea. Thanks.

Ripon
(From Bangladesh)

Lung Ching, occasionally Konacha or Sencha. I used to drink Gunpowder
with breakfast. None of these go well with milk. I happen to drink
my black teas without milk or sugar as well. On the issue of coffee, I've
consumed a total of three cups in my life. My philosophy on beverages is,
if it doesn't taste good straight, there is no point in adulterating it just
to cover up the taste and coffee tasted vile to me and to this day I can't
fathom why anyone would drink it.

J (the tea fascist or coffee hater :0)

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:01:47 GMT, John tripped
the light fantastic, then quipped:

On the issue of coffee, I've
consumed a total of three cups in my life. My philosophy on beverages is,
if it doesn't taste good straight, there is no point in adulterating it just
to cover up the taste and coffee tasted vile to me and to this day I can't
fathom why anyone would drink it.

J (the tea fascist or coffee hater :0)

I've had less coffee than you (less than a cup, total), for the same
reason. Why drink something you literally have to force down your
throat because the taste is so offensive to you? I loved tea from the
very first sip, and similarly hated the taste of coffee. I do like
the smell of freshly ground coffee beans, but taste and smell don't
always go hand in hand.

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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:54:30 -0600, Tee King wrote:

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:01:47 GMT, John tripped the
light fantastic, then quipped:

On the issue of coffee, I've
consumed a total of three cups in my life. My philosophy on beverages
is, if it doesn't taste good straight, there is no point in adulterating
it just to cover up the taste and coffee tasted vile to me and to this
day I can't fathom why anyone would drink it.

J (the tea fascist or coffee hater :0)

I've had less coffee than you (less than a cup, total), for the same
reason. Why drink something you literally have to force down your
throat because the taste is so offensive to you? I loved tea from the
very first sip, and similarly hated the taste of coffee. I do like the
smell of freshly ground coffee beans, but taste and smell don't always
go hand in hand.

It was years between the first two cups and the third try was a cup of
coffee, a friend claimed was some of the best and while it wasn't nearly
as offensive as the first two, it was still vile compared to even common
bagged supermarket tea. I've always wondered about how coffee could
smell so much better than it tasted.

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John wrote:

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:54:30 -0600, Tee King wrote:


I do like the
smell of freshly ground coffee beans, but taste and smell don't always
go hand in hand.

It was years between the first two cups and the third try was a cup of
coffee, a friend claimed was some of the best and while it wasn't nearly
as offensive as the first two, it was still vile compared to even common
bagged supermarket tea. I've always wondered about how coffee could
smell so much better than it tasted.

Are you familiar with coffee made by cold-water extraction? Coarsely
ground beans are covered with cold water for many hours, then the
concentrated liquid is filtered out. A tablespoon or so of this
concentrate is combined with hot water to make coffee, and the flavor is
as toasty and aromatic as raw beans smell. The liquid coffee
concentrate can be stored in the refrigerator for quite some time.
Light roast beans -- not the ubiquitous dark French roast type -- are
best for this. Oh, and if caffeine is a concern, you're probably better
off avoiding this method, as I believe the lengthy soak in cold water
extracts every last molecule of caffeine the beans have to offer.

--crymad

John writes:

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:54:30 -0600, Tee King wrote:

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:01:47 GMT, John tripped the
light fantastic, then quipped:

On the issue of coffee, I've
consumed a total of three cups in my life. My philosophy on beverages
is, if it doesn't taste good straight, there is no point in adulterating
it just to cover up the taste and coffee tasted vile to me and to this
day I can't fathom why anyone would drink it.

I've had less coffee than you (less than a cup, total), for the same
reason. Why drink something you literally have to force down your
throat because the taste is so offensive to you? I loved tea from the
very first sip, and similarly hated the taste of coffee. I do like the
smell of freshly ground coffee beans, but taste and smell don't always
go hand in hand.

It was years between the first two cups and the third try was a cup of
coffee, a friend claimed was some of the best and while it wasn't nearly
as offensive as the first two, it was still vile compared to even common
bagged supermarket tea. I've always wondered about how coffee could
smell so much better than it tasted.

I think it's a mistake to talk about taste as if it were something
objective out there in the world. It's something that happens *to
you*, really. So to say tea is good and coffee is bad becomes
suspect. It's not just tea vs. coffee, too: there's a vast range of
tastes within the realm of tea and I doubt anyone likes them all.

I do think that there's something "objective" out there, though. And
regarding coffee vs. tea, I think that appreciating tea uses parts of
your sensory apparatus that are very different from those used in
enjoying coffee. I wouldn't say one enjoyment is *incompatible* with
the other but it takes a kind of mental gymnastics to shift from one
to the other. Perhaps it's like enjoying spicy food vs. enjoying
subtle, verging-on-bland food (not that there's no subtlety in spicy
food!)

Please note: I'm not saying all tastes in the world are equal. I
assume that as humans there's a similarity in the way our minds - our
brains? - work such that some combinations of flavor and aroma offer
us more of a chance to develop a satisfying experience than other
combinations. (Exactly how this happens is a really interesting
question but not one I can answer.) But when you see that lots of
people you respect enjoy coffee you have to concede that the opaque
brown stuff has some standing in the world.

Disclosu I used to be a coffee lover and heavy coffee drinker.
These days I desire coffee maybe once a month and try to drink it only
when there's reason to think it'll be a really good cup. With all
that, I'm usually (but not always) disappointed.

/Lew
---
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http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:01:00 -0600, Lewis Perin wrote:

John writes:

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:54:30 -0600, Tee King wrote:

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:01:47 GMT, John tripped
the light fantastic, then quipped:

On the issue of coffee, I've
consumed a total of three cups in my life. My philosophy on
beverages is, if it doesn't taste good straight, there is no point in
adulterating it just to cover up the taste and coffee tasted vile to
me and to this day I can't fathom why anyone would drink it.

I've had less coffee than you (less than a cup, total), for the same
reason. Why drink something you literally have to force down your
throat because the taste is so offensive to you? I loved tea from
the very first sip, and similarly hated the taste of coffee. I do
like the smell of freshly ground coffee beans, but taste and smell
don't always go hand in hand.

It was years between the first two cups and the third try was a cup of
coffee, a friend claimed was some of the best and while it wasn't
nearly as offensive as the first two, it was still vile compared to
even common bagged supermarket tea. I've always wondered about how
coffee could smell so much better than it tasted.

I think it's a mistake to talk about taste as if it were something
objective out there in the world. It's something that happens *to you*,
really. So to say tea is good and coffee is bad becomes suspect. It's
not just tea vs. coffee, too: there's a vast range of tastes within the
realm of tea and I doubt anyone likes them all.

Let me rephrase. To me, I like the taste of most tea that I've tried,
not all but most. Coffee, on the other hand, tastes vile to me. To me,
tea is good and coffee is vile. You may have different tastes and that's
just fine with me. Emperically objective.

Disclosu I used to be a coffee lover and heavy coffee drinker. These
days I desire coffee maybe once a month and try to drink it only when
there's reason to think it'll be a really good cup. With all that, I'm
usually (but not always) disappointed.

That was easily surmised in your defense of what to me is a vile drink
that is well beyond my imagination as to why anyone would drink it but if
you find it palatable by all means enjoy it.

/Lew
---
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http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html

J

On 14 Nov 2003 18:01:00 -0500, Lewis Perin tripped
the light fantastic, then quipped:

Why drink something you literally have to force down your
throat because the taste is so offensive to you? I loved tea from the
very first sip, and similarly hated the taste of coffee. I do like the
smell of freshly ground coffee beans, but taste and smell don't always
go hand in hand.

I think it's a mistake to talk about taste as if it were something
objective out there in the world. It's something that happens *to
you*, really. So to say tea is good and coffee is bad becomes
suspect. It's not just tea vs. coffee, too: there's a vast range of
tastes within the realm of tea and I doubt anyone likes them all.

Taste is definitely subjective. Coffee is only "bad" in my opinion,
and given the variety of blends, grinds, flavors, etc., one would
think I could find one that is, as John experienced, less offensive to
me. However, the few sips of coffee I've tasted just don't appeal to
me. My ex-husband was as "into" his coffee as I am my tea, so I
assume he probably had some killer beans (but disliked tea). I
sampled his coffee with an open mind, but I simply could not and
cannot tolerate the taste. I can't imply that all coffees are the
same, but once the beans are exposed to water, they seem to acquire a
bitter, acrid smell that is, to my nose, like the taste of the
resulting brew. Alternately, the many nuances and subtleties of tea
(subtleteas?) are pleasing to my olfactory nerve, and the sipping
afterwards is even more rewarding.

Please note: I'm not saying all tastes in the world are equal. I
assume that as humans there's a similarity in the way our minds - our
brains? - work such that some combinations of flavor and aroma offer
us more of a chance to develop a satisfying experience than other
combinations. (Exactly how this happens is a really interesting
question but not one I can answer.) But when you see that lots of
people you respect enjoy coffee you have to concede that the opaque
brown stuff has some standing in the world.

This is quite the mystery, isn't it? I don't like lobster, or fresh
crab, or many foods over which others absolutely drool. My husband,
on the other hand, who enjoys a gourmet meal, prefers coffee from the
red tin or vac-bag. He doesn't enjoy flavored, expensive coffees; he
says he likes a pure, unadulterated brew. I've suggested buying
freshly roasted beans and a grinder, but he said he'd rather stay with
his one brand. He does like tea, and will often comment on how good a
particular cup is, and can recognize the difference between the merely
good, the better, and the out-of-this-world leaves. Don't ask him
what type he's served, though, as the only answer you're liable to get
is "hot" or "iced"...lol. Personally, I think he just likes me making
a cup for him, because when it comes to coffee, he makes his own.

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I love this group. I feel so at home.
My breakfast tea is Twinings Earl Grey. Straight up, nothing added.
Some other favorites are Keemun and Assam. Again, straight up, nothing
added.
As for coffee, I can only stand light roast with an obscene amount of
chocolate added to cover up the fact that it is coffee.


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On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 02:20:50 -0600, Ripon wrote:

Dear Tea lover:

What is your favorite breakfast tea? Do you drink it straight or use
milk? How many of you switched from Coffee to tea in the morning? Please
leave your comment about your breakfast tea. Thanks.

Ripon
(From Bangladesh)

Lung Ching, occasionally Konacha or Sencha. I used to drink Gunpowder
with breakfast. None of these go well with milk. I happen to drink
my black teas without milk or sugar as well. On the issue of coffee, I've
consumed a total of three cups in my life. My philosophy on beverages is,
if it doesn't taste good straight, there is no point in adulterating it
just
to cover up the taste and coffee tasted vile to me and to this day I can't
fathom why anyone would drink it.

J (the tea fascist or coffee hater :0)

On 6 Nov 2003 00:20:50 -0800, (Ripon) wrote:

Dear Tea lover:

What is your favorite breakfast tea? Do you drink it straight or use
milk? How many of you switched from Coffee to tea in the morning?
Please leave your comment about your breakfast tea. Thanks.


Alberta Clipper from Teatraders.com

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:22:54 -0600, "Dashing Starthistle"
wrote:

I love this group. I feel so at home.
My breakfast tea is Twinings Earl Grey. Straight up, nothing added.


Earl grey.....hot g

Dear Tea lover:

What is your favorite breakfast tea? Do you drink it straight or use
milk? How many of you switched from Coffee to tea in the morning?
Please leave your comment about your breakfast tea. Thanks.

I'm going to admit heresy: I only drink coffee in the morning! Don't know
why, but tea just doesn't do it for me when I haven't been out of bed very
long. But, be assured, the rest of the day it's tea all the way! If I did
drink it for breakfast, it'd have to be something strong, maybe with some Assam
in it, such as a Scottish Breakfast, or maybe a nice Yunnan, with a little
sugar but no milk.

Paul

(PSCHLOTTHAUER) wrote in message ...
Dear Tea lover:

What is your favorite breakfast tea? Do you drink it straight or use
milk? How many of you switched from Coffee to tea in the morning?
Please leave your comment about your breakfast tea. Thanks.

I'm going to admit heresy: I only drink coffee in the morning! Don't know
why, but tea just doesn't do it for me when I haven't been out of bed very
long. But, be assured, the rest of the day it's tea all the way! If I did
drink it for breakfast, it'd have to be something strong, maybe with some Assam
in it, such as a Scottish Breakfast, or maybe a nice Yunnan, with a little
sugar but no milk.

Paul:

Nothing wrong to have coffee. But tes is more healthy drink. Actually
I used to have coffee in the morning, a cup of strong coffee. But I
have solved this problem with one of my own version of tea blend( very
strong blend with a exotic flavour). if you are interested let me
know, I will love to share my blend with you. By the way, I know many
serious tea lovers who still love to have a cup of coffee in the
morning.

I am also a keemun and Yunnan lover. What kinds of Yunnan do you like?
Thanks.

Ripon
(from Bangladesh)

"PSCHLOTTHAUER" wrote in message
...
Dear Tea lover:

What is your favorite breakfast tea? Do you drink it straight or use
milk? How many of you switched from Coffee to tea in the morning?
Please leave your comment about your breakfast tea. Thanks.

I'm going to admit heresy: I only drink coffee in the morning! Don't
know
why, but tea just doesn't do it for me when I haven't been out of bed very
long. But, be assured, the rest of the day it's tea all the way! If I
did
drink it for breakfast, it'd have to be something strong, maybe with some
Assam
in it, such as a Scottish Breakfast, or maybe a nice Yunnan, with a little
sugar but no milk.

Paul



Paul:

I do love Scottish Breakfast tea, and I also concur that is strong enough
for a breakfast brew (in fact, I won't drink it after 7 in the evening or
so, as I would have trouble sleeping if I did). Any of the "Breakfast"
varieties seem to be fine for me in the morn, including classical English as
well as Irish Breakfast. Add a selection of good heated scones with some
Lemon Curd, or Pumpkin Butter, or even Honey Spread, and Heaven becomes
quite an accessible concept.

"Taffy Stoker" wrote in message
...
On 6 Nov 2003 00:20:50 -0800, (Ripon) wrote:

Dear Tea lover:

What is your favorite breakfast tea? Do you drink it straight or use
milk? How many of you switched from Coffee to tea in the morning?
Please leave your comment about your breakfast tea. Thanks.


Alberta Clipper from Teatraders.com

On my way to work, I like Tibetan butter tea lately (i use a very
inexpensive pu-erh from tenren else lipton tea bags)
I save the lighter teas for when I get to work.

I haven't entirely switched to coffee, as this was never my intent. I just
drink what I like when the mood strikes me, for me that means tea multiple
times a day and coffee sometimes once or twice.

-ben