On Sep 19, 1:22 am, Nigel wrote:
On Sep 19, 8:11 am, "Slint Flig" wrote:



I would worry about kidney stones

At the risk of appearing repetitive on this thread; the chewing (as a
masticatory) and the eating (as a common hors d'oevre) ofpickledtealeavesis common and traditional practiceinnorthern Thailand and
Myanmar, apparently without ill effect.

Nigel at Teacraft

Laphet or pickled tea leaves, as you mentioned, are indeed a favourite
appetizer in Myanmar (as in other Asian countries).
The Burmese are suffering from extremely high rates of fluorosis since
not only the tea, but the water used in the processing of laphet is
chock full of fluoride (and ascenic).
You may have not seen these effects since these tend to be rural
peoples who use deep well water for irrigation, pickling and to make
tea as a beverage.
UNICEF and WHO have made these areas (high fluorosis) a serious focus
for birth defects and other fluorosis supported health problems
primarily affecting women and children.
My point is simple: here in the states we have a lot of fluoride all
ready in our tap water and we get it in our liquid teas, I think it's
enough. This is my personal opinion.
Shen

and I'd still worry about kidney stones. Very high concentrations of
calcium oxalate in tea leaves.

Milk will bind to the oxalate rendering it harmless, but studies show milk
also prevents most positive tea-related health benefits.

I wouldn't chew the things personally. My dad drank green tea for years and
had the most terrible kidney stones.. wouldn't want to go through that. (I
still drink lots of greens though)

Nigel wrote:
On Sep 19, 8:11 am, "Slint Flig" wrote:

I would worry about kidney stones

At the risk of appearing repetitive on this thread; the chewing (as a
masticatory) and the eating (as a common hors d'oevre) of pickled tea
leaves is common and traditional practice in northern Thailand and
Myanmar, apparently without ill effect.

I have eaten Burmese tea leaf salads many times, with ill effects
that include a nasty taste in my mouth...
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On Sep 18, 3:58 pm, Shen wrote:
On Sep 18, 12:19 pm, SN wrote:

On Sep 18, 2:53 pm, SN wrote:

if theres anything to worry regarding bones and teeth in the top
concerns is not fluoride.

that should be: in a healthy, grown, adult.

It is primarily grown adults in excessive fluoride studies that are
suffering. We're talking excessive here - not a pot of tea a day.
Shen

Shen,
come on, a tiny leaf or two is just a little treat not an obsession...
Jenn

On Sep 19, 4:28 pm, Jenn wrote:
come on, a tiny leaf or two is just a little treat not an obsession...
Jenn

There is 1 case report in the USA, and thats a 52 year old lady who
drank 1-2 gallons of "double-strength" Lipton instant tea (whatever
that is) for "her entire adult life" (which means what ... about 20-30
years?), she got "mild skeletal fluorosis" which was discovered by
accident. her complaints were "Spinal
discomfort and stiffness for 5 years", "She had never had a fracture."

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Exposure to over 20 mg/day of fluoride for over 20 years can cause
advanced skeletal fluorosis. (Instructor Dr. Eckhert EHS201 UCLA 2003)

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Fluoride Content of tea

Leaf tea
Fluoride concentration in tea infusion 1.12 (mg/ l )
Dissolvable fluoride in tea leaf 0.28 (mg/ g)

Bagged tea
Fluoride concentration in tea infusion 2.08 (mg/ l )
Dissolvable fluoride in tea leaf 0.52 (mg/ g)

(Journal of Exposure Analysis and Environmental Epidemiology (2003)
13, 66 - 73)
this is by a team in Taiwan.
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looking for these articles even tho informative, is time
consuming, ,Shen u did not show me where you found the information on
osteosarcoma, broken jaw bones and teeth.

On Sep 19, 1:28 pm, Jenn wrote:
On Sep 18, 3:58 pm, Shen wrote:

On Sep 18, 12:19 pm, SN wrote:

On Sep 18, 2:53 pm, SN wrote:

if theres anything to worry regarding bones and teeth in the top
concerns is not fluoride.

that should be: in a healthy, grown, adult.

It is primarily grown adults in excessive fluoride studies that are
suffering. We're talking excessive here - not a pot of tea a day.
Shen

Shen,
come on, a tiny leaf or two is just a little treat not an obsession...
Jenn

I tend to be conservative when it comes to well-being. I've seen too
many (American) patients who go waaaay overboard with any new food or
supplement trend - i.e. soy. A bit does some good; too much can be
disastrous to your health.
Green tea is a new fad food. It's in everything from yogurt to nail
polish.
I agree that moderation in anything generally works well.
I don't mean to sound cranky; but, I also have a great distrust (an
old hippie) of the quality and quantity of fluoride that readily
available in foods, dental care and the water supply.
I'd just rather err on the side of caution.
Shen

On Sep 19, 1:53 pm, SN wrote:
On Sep 19, 4:28 pm, Jenn wrote:

come on, a tiny leaf or two is just a little treat not an obsession...
Jenn

There is 1 case report in the USA, and thats a 52 year old lady who
drank 1-2 gallons of "double-strength" Lipton instant tea (whatever
that is) for "her entire adult life" (which means what ... about 20-30
years?), she got "mild skeletal fluorosis" which was discovered by
accident. her complaints were "Spinal
discomfort and stiffness for 5 years", "She had never had a fracture."

----------------------------------------------------

Exposure to over 20 mg/day of fluoride for over 20 years can cause
advanced skeletal fluorosis. (Instructor Dr. Eckhert EHS201 UCLA 2003)

----------------------------------------------------
Fluoride Content of tea

Leaf tea
Fluoride concentration in tea infusion 1.12 (mg/ l )
Dissolvable fluoride in tea leaf 0.28 (mg/ g)

Bagged tea
Fluoride concentration in tea infusion 2.08 (mg/ l )
Dissolvable fluoride in tea leaf 0.52 (mg/ g)

(Journal of Exposure Analysis and Environmental Epidemiology (2003)
13, 66 - 73)
this is by a team in Taiwan.
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looking for these articles even tho informative, is time
consuming, ,Shen u did not show me where you found the information on
osteosarcoma, broken jaw bones and teeth.

There are inummerable sites with fluoride alerts all over the web.
Check WHO, Unicef, American Journal of Medicine, the National Library
of Medicine, the National Academy of Sciences, U.S. Dept of Health and
Human Services and on and on.................if that's too much work,
just do a search on "fluorosis and osteosarcoma".
Fluoride threatens bone health.
It's also in cigarettes, cereal, soda pop, and anesthetics.
You're the one who doubts the problem. You look.

I've spent the last 20 years in practice. And a hell of a lot of
medical education prior to that.
As I said earlier - do what you want. However, I would never encourage
anyone to chew on tea leaves.
Chewing on anything repeatedly or excessively to suck the flavour out
of it doesn't do much for TMJ either.
Enough said. That's all I have to say about chomping on leaves.
Shen

"You're the one who doubts the problem. You look."

thanks, thats helpful,

and i dont doubt that fluoride impairs bone formation, i doubt that
its this big deal youre making it out to be.

from the looks of it, most people in China and on this group already
have fluorosis ...so yeah, im sure its a problem.

smokers dying of lung cancer, im sure their concern is fluoride
content.

children with inadequate nutrition and so inadequate bone growth, im
sure fluoride will fix the problem NOT taking care to eat enough,
healthy and nutritious.

Hi all,
On this flouride issue, can anyone say about the health of the
people who drink whole leaf, like matcha? Does this little tea leaf
have the effects of the other tea when it is consumed daily or several
times a day? I have read that all the tea leaves are ground and used
in this yummy beverage. I have heard that powdered green tea leaves
are used in cookies, ice cream, tea supplements like green tea
capsules, and green tea smoothies or lattes. What do you think is a
safe amount of this form of tea?
Jenn

On Sep 18, 6:10 pm, Shen wrote:
On Sep 17, 6:00 pm, Jenn wrote:

I say why not? I have chewed firstly a whitetealeaf and rather
enjoyed it so I have tried most of the whole leaf types. Just one or
two tho. And whitetealike silver needles was my most favorite
Jenn

PLEASE STOP CHEWING YOUR TEA LEAVES!!!!

Shen, another excellent post from you. I still remember your post on
iced green tea . Some day I will come to you for permission to use
your article, if you don't mind.

I have documented a case study of green tea fluoride he The person
involved sounds really extreme, but it is probably this is probably
most serious risk of over-consuming green tea (other than green tea
extract), compounded by the low quality of bottled green tea.

Green Tea and Fluoride
http://www.amazing-green-tea.com/flu...green-tea.html

As for kidney stones, the scientific evidence is mixed. This are the
studies I can find to date. I think each person has to make their mind
up on this one.

Green Tea and Kidney Stones
http://www.amazing-green-tea.com/gre...ey-stones.html

I haven't tried chewing tea leaves.The Chinese tea experts are
generally against it. They haven't got any studies to back up their
claim. Apparently a lot of unhealthy substances are locked up inside
the leaves that are not released in brewing.

When when you chew, or over-brew, these bad stuff are more likely to
come out.

Put it another way, brewing is far healthier and enjoyable than
chewing.

I don't think it is deadly, as Nigel kindly pointed out, but sometimes
it is worth listening to these centuries old folk wisdom.

Julian
http://www.amazing-green-tea.com

"Shen" wrote in message
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On Sep 17, 6:00 pm, Jenn wrote:
I say why not? I have chewed firstly a whitetealeaf and rather
enjoyed it so I have tried most of the whole leaf types. Just one or
two tho. And whitetealike silver needles was my most favorite
Jenn

PLEASE STOP CHEWING YOUR TEA LEAVES!!!!
I am assuming you are in the states or in another "westernized"
country.
Fluoride is in your toothpaste and in your drinking water. This is
generally natrium fluoride.
Fluoride in tea is generally calcium fluoride.
Fluoride is VERY present in tea leaves!
Fluoridosis is a disease of over-consumption of fluoride that destroys
bones and teeth.
The more EGCG in tea the lower the fluoride; however, it's still in
there.
The American Journal of Medicine in its January issue carried a study
from the FDA (this study continues) measuring fluoride in instant teas
that are commercially used for "iced tea". Since the USA is the
world's largest consumer of these teas, they initiated this study
which is now measuring fluoride levels in most widely used teas.
The results in these instant teas were very high - up to 6.5 parts per
million.
Drink your tea. In my opinion, the benefits outweigh the hazards
unless you're doing several gallons a day.
If your chewing tea leaves as one would tobacco, you might want to say
good-bye to your teeth and perhaps your jawbones, as well.
This is just my personal opinion.

Thank you. I am concerned about fluoride. Two things that
may make me safer a

1. I don't use toothpaste with fluoride.
2. I live in Maine, and we do not get our water from
a public water source (we have an artesian well).

Still, moderation in tea leaf ingestion is the right
way to go. On days I chew tea leaves, I do not drink
the infusion. (I would get too much caffeine if I did.)

George

I love chewing my long jing tea to taste them.

"George Cherry" writes:

[...]
I am concerned about fluoride.

Sorry, I should've brought this up earlier in the thread, but it just
occurred to me.

While I don't know anything that makes me alarmed about this, it is
widely accepted that the tea plant takes up an unusually high level of
aluminum from the soil, and aluminum seems to have no role in the
body. If you eat lots of leaves, you'll certainly take in
considerably more aluminum than you would from tea liquor. But, as I
said, I'm not panicking. From the limited amount of medi-browsing
I've done, it may well be true that all the aluminum we take in gets
harmlessly excreted.

/Lew
---
Lew Perin /
http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html

Hello George
If you send me a quick email I will send you all the info bout the
silver needle I have off line...
Jenn

On Sep 23, 10:53 pm, Jenn wrote:
Hello George
If you send me a quick email I will send you all the info bout the
silver needle I have off line...
Jenn

The only tool available to a tea man to decide the process chain on a
particular green tea leaf standing on a bush in the field is his mouth
and its unlimited capacity to analyse everything present or contained
in tea.

Rajiv Lochan
www.lochantea.com