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16-02-2007, 06:29 AM
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Hydro-fermented?
I was looking at the Mingcha website (because I was curious after having
read about Shen's adventures in LA) and they say that the puerhs they carry are " matured hydro-fermented teas". Does anyone know what they mean when they say hydro-fermented? Melinda -- "I know. You know I know. I know you know I know. We know Henry knows, and Henry knows we know it." We're a knowledgeable family." ::smiles:: -Geoffrey, Lion in Winter 
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16-02-2007, 09:00 AM
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On Feb 15, 9:29 pm, "Melinda" wrote:
I was looking at the Mingcha website (because I was curious after having read about Shen's adventures in LA) and they say that the puerhs they carry are " matured hydro-fermented teas". Does anyone know what they mean when they say hydro-fermented? Melinda -- "I know. You know I know. I know you know I know. We know Henry knows, and Henry knows we know it." We're a knowledgeable family." ::smiles:: -Geoffrey, Lion in Winter Sounds old, wet and stinky. Just kidding. Could be wet storage, no? Shen
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16-02-2007, 11:00 AM
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Hydro-fermented?
Methinks cooked puerh.
MarshalN http://www.xanga.com/MarshalN On Feb 16, 4:00 pm, "Shen" wrote: On Feb 15, 9:29 pm, "Melinda" wrote: I was looking at the Mingcha website (because I was curious after having read about Shen's adventures in LA) and they say that the puerhs they carry are " matured hydro-fermented teas". Does anyone know what they mean when they say hydro-fermented? Melinda -- "I know. You know I know. I know you know I know. We know Henry knows, and Henry knows we know it." We're a knowledgeable family." ::smiles:: -Geoffrey, Lion in Winter Sounds old, wet and stinky. Just kidding. Could be wet storage, no? Shen
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16-02-2007, 11:02 AM
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Melinda
I haven't heard of that term in English, but the below might be useful. Pu-er can be fermented in two ways: traditional and modern, Traditional method takes years. Sun dried leaves are softened using steaming, and packed into cakes to mature. Modern method speeds up the process by spraying water on the tea leaves and left them under high temperature to ferment quickly. They are then dried, and sold as individual leaves or packed into cake. It sounds they have used one of the modern methods, but may be other experts in this field may have a better view. Hope it helps. Julian http://www.amaazing-green-tea.com
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16-02-2007, 12:53 PM
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On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:29:57 -0800, "Melinda"
wrote: I was looking at the Mingcha website (because I was curious after having read about Shen's adventures in LA) and they say that the puerhs they carry are " matured hydro-fermented teas". Does anyone know what they mean when they say hydro-fermented? Melinda It is a method for producing "cooked" or "shu" puerh. In other words it is simply black puerh. ___________ Mike Petro http://www.pu-erh.net
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16-02-2007, 05:38 PM
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"Mike Petro" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:29:57 -0800, "Melinda" wrote: I was looking at the Mingcha website (because I was curious after having read about Shen's adventures in LA) and they say that the puerhs they carry are " matured hydro-fermented teas". Does anyone know what they mean when they say hydro-fermented? Melinda It is a method for producing "cooked" or "shu" puerh. In other words it is simply black puerh. ___________ Mike Petro http://www.pu-erh.net So it doesn't mean necessarily wet-storage? I wouldn't have thought a website would BRAG about wet-storage, that's why I wondered about this... Melinda
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16-02-2007, 07:03 PM
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Hydro-fermented?
As I've replied already... I think it just means cooked puerh.
When you make cooked puerh.... you spray water on the leaves. Hydro- fermented sounds more scientific, I suppose? MarshalN http://www.xanga.com/MarshalN On Feb 17, 12:38 am, "Melinda" wrote: "Mike Petro" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:29:57 -0800, "Melinda" wrote: I was looking at the Mingcha website (because I was curious after having read about Shen's adventures in LA) and they say that the puerhs they carry are " matured hydro-fermented teas". Does anyone know what they mean when they say hydro-fermented? Melinda It is a method for producing "cooked" or "shu" puerh. In other words it is simply black puerh. ___________ Mike Petro http://www.pu-erh.net So it doesn't mean necessarily wet-storage? I wouldn't have thought a website would BRAG about wet-storage, that's why I wondered about this... Melinda
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16-02-2007, 11:08 PM
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On Feb 16, 10:03 am, "MarshalN" wrote:
As I've replied already... I think it just means cooked puerh. When you make cooked puerh.... you spray water on the leaves. Hydro- fermented sounds more scientific, I suppose? MarshalNhttp://www.xanga.com/MarshalN On Feb 17, 12:38 am, "Melinda" wrote: "Mike Petro" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:29:57 -0800, "Melinda" wrote: I was looking at the Mingcha website (because I was curious after having read about Shen's adventures in LA) and they say that the puerhs they carry are " matured hydro-fermented teas". Does anyone know what they mean when they say hydro-fermented? Melinda It is a method for producing "cooked" or "shu" puerh. In other words it is simply black puerh. ___________ Mike Petro http://www.pu-erh.net So it doesn't mean necessarily wet-storage? I wouldn't have thought a website would BRAG about wet-storage, that's why I wondered about this... Melinda- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It does sound fancy and catchy, like the website itself. Let's now refer to the sheng/raw type as aero-fermented.
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17-02-2007, 04:18 AM
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Hydro-fermented?
But see, it's still hydro-fermented! Just slower, less hydro
 MarshalN http://www.xanga.com/MarshalN On Feb 17, 6:08 am, "Phyll" wrote: On Feb 16, 10:03 am, "MarshalN" wrote: As I've replied already... I think it just means cooked puerh. When you make cooked puerh.... you spray water on the leaves. Hydro- fermented sounds more scientific, I suppose? MarshalNhttp://www.xanga.com/MarshalN On Feb 17, 12:38 am, "Melinda" wrote: "Mike Petro" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:29:57 -0800, "Melinda" wrote: I was looking at the Mingcha website (because I was curious after having read about Shen's adventures in LA) and they say that the puerhs they carry are " matured hydro-fermented teas". Does anyone know what they mean when they say hydro-fermented? Melinda It is a method for producing "cooked" or "shu" puerh. In other words it is simply black puerh. ___________ Mike Petro http://www.pu-erh.net So it doesn't mean necessarily wet-storage? I wouldn't have thought a website would BRAG about wet-storage, that's why I wondered about this... Melinda- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It does sound fancy and catchy, like the website itself. Let's now refer to the sheng/raw type as aero-fermented.
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17-02-2007, 07:02 AM
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On Feb 16, 2:08 pm, "Phyll" wrote:
On Feb 16, 10:03 am, "MarshalN" wrote: As I've replied already... I think it just means cooked puerh. When you make cooked puerh.... you spray water on the leaves. Hydro- fermented sounds more scientific, I suppose? MarshalNhttp://www.xanga.com/MarshalN On Feb 17, 12:38 am, "Melinda" wrote: "Mike Petro" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:29:57 -0800, "Melinda" wrote: I was looking at the Mingcha website (because I was curious after having read about Shen's adventures in LA) and they say that the puerhs they carry are " matured hydro-fermented teas". Does anyone know what they mean when they say hydro-fermented? Melinda It is a method for producing "cooked" or "shu" puerh. In other words it is simply black puerh. ___________ Mike Petro http://www.pu-erh.net So it doesn't mean necessarily wet-storage? I wouldn't have thought a website would BRAG about wet-storage, that's why I wondered about this... Melinda- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It does sound fancy and catchy, like the website itself. Let's now refer to the sheng/raw type as aero-fermented. Umm, shouldn't that be "chrono-fermented?" -David L.
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17-02-2007, 02:02 PM
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On Feb 16, 7:18 pm, "MarshalN" wrote:
But see, it's still hydro-fermented! Just slower, less hydro MarshalNhttp://www.xanga.com/MarshalN On Feb 17, 6:08 am, "Phyll" wrote: On Feb 16, 10:03 am, "MarshalN" wrote: As I've replied already... I think it just means cooked puerh. When you make cooked puerh.... you spray water on the leaves. Hydro- fermented sounds more scientific, I suppose? MarshalNhttp://www.xanga.com/MarshalN On Feb 17, 12:38 am, "Melinda" wrote: "Mike Petro" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:29:57 -0800, "Melinda" wrote: I was looking at the Mingcha website (because I was curious after having read about Shen's adventures in LA) and they say that the puerhs they carry are " matured hydro-fermented teas". Does anyone know what they mean when they say hydro-fermented? Melinda It is a method for producing "cooked" or "shu" puerh. In other words it is simply black puerh. ___________ Mike Petro http://www.pu-erh.net So it doesn't mean necessarily wet-storage? I wouldn't have thought a website would BRAG about wet-storage, that's why I wondered about this... Melinda- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It does sound fancy and catchy, like the website itself. Let's now refer to the sheng/raw type as aero-fermented.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Obviously, I didn't think it through...you're right in that moisture is the crucial criterionl for sheng/raw pu'er development. So here is one term that is probably more accurate: microhydro-fermentation. I feel like Michel Rolland saying "Micro-oxygenate! Micro- oxygenate!" (reference: Mondovino) 
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17-02-2007, 05:11 PM
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Puerh prices are chrono-fermented, not the tea itself
MarshalN http://www.xanga.com/MarshalN On Feb 17, 2:02 pm, "Davelcorp" wrote: On Feb 16, 2:08 pm, "Phyll" wrote: On Feb 16, 10:03 am, "MarshalN" wrote: As I've replied already... I think it just means cooked puerh. When you make cooked puerh.... you spray water on the leaves. Hydro- fermented sounds more scientific, I suppose? MarshalNhttp://www.xanga.com/MarshalN On Feb 17, 12:38 am, "Melinda" wrote: "Mike Petro" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:29:57 -0800, "Melinda" wrote: I was looking at the Mingcha website (because I was curious after having read about Shen's adventures in LA) and they say that the puerhs they carry are " matured hydro-fermented teas". Does anyone know what they mean when they say hydro-fermented? Melinda It is a method for producing "cooked" or "shu" puerh. In other words it is simply black puerh. ___________ Mike Petro http://www.pu-erh.net So it doesn't mean necessarily wet-storage? I wouldn't have thought a website would BRAG about wet-storage, that's why I wondered about this... Melinda- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It does sound fancy and catchy, like the website itself. Let's now refer to the sheng/raw type as aero-fermented. Umm, shouldn't that be "chrono-fermented?" -David L.
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19-02-2007, 03:36 AM
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Hydro-fermented?
Hydro-fermentation technology is the latest marketing breakthrough in
many years of research. Labels stating hydro-fermentation optimize financial transfer on the customer-vendor interface. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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