Regular readers here will be familiar with my strident opposition to
the ecologically destructive and economically unsustainable Salmon
Aquaculture aka Salmon Farming Industry.
They will also be familiar with the shills and pimps for same said
abomination-by their lies and falsehoods you shall know them.
Well today the Salmon Farming industry was dealt a heavy body blow by
the Scientific Journal Science http://www.sciencemag.org

http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Campaigns...re01080401.asp


International farmed salmon study supports groundbreaking Suzuki
Foundation research
January 08, 2004


VANCOUVER - Results of a large-scale scientific study on the toxicity
of farmed fish released today in the journal Science support a
pioneering study undertaken by the David Suzuki Foundation three years
ago.

In 2001, the Foundation reported that potentially dangerous levels of
toxic chemicals are contained in the feed given to farmed salmon in
Canada and Europe. The study released today confirms these findings on
a much larger scale.

Scientists tested approximately two tons of farmed and wild salmon,
and salmon feed collected from fish farm wholesalers and retailers in
major cities in North and South America and Europe, including
Vancouver and Toronto. Their findings indicate that contaminants are
significantly higher for farmed salmon than wild salmon.

The Science report argues that “consumption of farmed salmon may
result in exposure to a variety of persistent bioaccumulative
contaminants with the potential for an elevation in attendant health
risks.”

Dr. David Bates, former Dean of Medicine at the University of British
Columbia, is an international expert on pollution. He concurs that
there is a serious risk to health from ingesting contaminants such as
PCBs in our everyday diet.

“Studies have shown that PCBs have a remarkable ability to potentiate
cancer,” Bates says. “The European Union and the World Health
Organization have set acceptable levels and this was done after
analysis of an array of scientific studies. Unfortunately, Canadian
levels are much less stringent and the Canadian government has been
lax in dealing with this issue.”

The study also found that concentrations of contaminants in farmed
salmon from Europe were significantly greater than farmed salmon from
both North and South America.

“While European farmed fish are worse, Canadian farmed salmon are
still a potential health risk,” says Otto Langer, Director of Marine
Conservation.

“The study found that even the least contaminated farmed salmon have
significantly higher contamination levels of PCBs, dioxins, and other
chemicals than wild salmon. This once again underscores the need for
Canada to modernize our regulations regarding the amount of PCBs and
chemicals acceptable for human consumption.”

The Science report cites Environmental Protection Agency consumption
advice, which, based on the new findings, would recommend against
eating more than two meals per month of B.C. farmed fish. Those in
high-risk categories such as children and expectant mothers should eat
much less.

The report authors also recommend fish producers and retailers label
salmon as farmed.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Also see
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/01/08/salmon_04010
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3380735.stm

Of course the shills and media relations pimps have already tried to
muddy the waters-let's see them twist and turn here now!!!

Sam Salmon wrote:
Regular readers here will be familiar with my strident opposition to
the ecologically destructive and economically unsustainable Salmon
Aquaculture aka Salmon Farming Industry.

You wouldn't be the slightest bit biased, now would you.

They will also be familiar with the shills and pimps for same said
abomination-by their lies and falsehoods you shall know them.

I know about the anti-farming hooligans and their fallacies.

Scientists tested approximately two tons of farmed and wild salmon,
and salmon feed collected from fish farm wholesalers and retailers in
major cities in North and South America and Europe, including
Vancouver and Toronto. Their findings indicate that contaminants are
significantly higher for farmed salmon than wild salmon.

Define significantly. And how does this intrinsically
damage farming, once the feed regulations are fixed?

The Science report argues that “consumption of farmed salmon may
result in exposure to a variety of persistent bioaccumulative
contaminants with the potential for an elevation in attendant health
risks.”

"May," "potential." No significance there. Walking
in the sunshine may have the potential for giving you
skin cancer. You'd better wrap your whole body in tinfoil
and not just your skullcap.

Dr. David Bates, former Dean of Medicine at the University of British
Columbia, is an international expert on pollution. He concurs that
there is a serious risk to health from ingesting contaminants such as
PCBs in our everyday diet.

Another brilliant revelation from the files of No-Shit Sherlock.

“Studies have shown that PCBs have a remarkable ability to potentiate
cancer,” Bates says. “The European Union and the World Health

"Potentiate." I haven't seen that used outside homeopathy
screeds before. No, wait, that's "potentize." "Potentiate"
doesn't mean what he thinks it means:

http://www.onelook.com/?loc=bm2&w=potentiate

He's saying it makes cancer worse. I don't see how he
can say that, considering he's trying to make the argument
that it causes cancer...is he really saying that if you already
have cancer you shouldn't eat PCBs?

“The study found that even the least contaminated farmed salmon have
significantly higher contamination levels of PCBs, dioxins, and other
chemicals than wild salmon. This once again underscores the need for
Canada to modernize our regulations regarding the amount of PCBs and
chemicals acceptable for human consumption.”

Doesn't look like a "heavy blow" to the industry.
Looks like a polite request for regulation by the
government, which the industry will no doubt be
following.

The Science report cites Environmental Protection Agency consumption
advice, which, based on the new findings, would recommend against
eating more than two meals per month of B.C. farmed fish. Those in
high-risk categories such as children and expectant mothers should eat
much less.

So you're going to tell us now how to distinguish BC farmed
fish from non-BC farmed fish.

The report authors also recommend fish producers and retailers label
salmon as farmed.

They already do, and it's tasty and safe.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Also see
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/01/08/salmon_04010
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3380735.stm

Of course the shills and media relations pimps have already tried to
muddy the waters-let's see them twist and turn here now!!!

You keep saying "shills and media relations pimps" like you're
not a garden-variety blathering reactionary yourself.

--Blair
"You might want to try acting
like a human being next time
you want to slander an entire
industry. It comes across as
harder to refute."

"Sam Salmon" wrote in message
...
Regular readers here will be familiar with my strident opposition to
the ecologically destructive and economically unsustainable Salmon
Aquaculture aka Salmon Farming Industry.
They will also be familiar with the shills and pimps for same said
abomination-by their lies and falsehoods you shall know them.
Well today the Salmon Farming industry was dealt a heavy body blow by
the Scientific Journal Science http://www.sciencemag.org


http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Campaigns...re01080401.asp



I also see that the FDA has effectively dismissed the findings of that
study.

People can live in denial all they want, but it's clear that farmed salmon
is an infirior product to wild on all accounts.

"Musashi" wrote in message
om...

"Sam Salmon" wrote in message
...
Regular readers here will be familiar with my strident opposition to
the ecologically destructive and economically unsustainable Salmon
Aquaculture aka Salmon Farming Industry.
They will also be familiar with the shills and pimps for same said
abomination-by their lies and falsehoods you shall know them.
Well today the Salmon Farming industry was dealt a heavy body blow by
the Scientific Journal Science http://www.sciencemag.org



http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Campaigns...re01080401.asp



I also see that the FDA has effectively dismissed the findings of that
study.



Do you have a link for that?

F t B wrote:

People can live in denial all they want, but it's clear that farmed salmon
is an infirior product to wild on all accounts.

That's fine for people who can get wild, but we on the East Coast
cannot get it as easily or cheaply. And for the record, I'm perfectly
satisfied with farmed salmon for sushi.

--
Dan

"Musashi" wrote in message
om...

"Sam Salmon" wrote in message
...
Regular readers here will be familiar with my strident opposition to
the ecologically destructive and economically unsustainable Salmon
Aquaculture aka Salmon Farming Industry.
They will also be familiar with the shills and pimps for same said
abomination-by their lies and falsehoods you shall know them.
Well today the Salmon Farming industry was dealt a heavy body blow by
the Scientific Journal Science http://www.sciencemag.org



http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Campaigns...re01080401.asp



I also see that the FDA has effectively dismissed the findings of that
study.

That dismissal is almost a conditioned reflex but do you remember when the
British Agricultural Minister "demonstrated" the safety of the beef supply
by feeding his little daughter a hamburger on television? It was quite a
bust since she refused to eat it! is clear that serious investigation of
feeding practices for farmed fish is called for since, unfortunately, that's
how we will be able to get affordable fish in the future.


--
James V. Silverton
Potomac, Maryland, USA

"F t B" wrote in message
news:N8ALb.49828$Dm.16683@edtnps89...

"Musashi" wrote in message
om...

"Sam Salmon" wrote in message
...
Regular readers here will be familiar with my strident opposition to
the ecologically destructive and economically unsustainable Salmon
Aquaculture aka Salmon Farming Industry.
They will also be familiar with the shills and pimps for same said
abomination-by their lies and falsehoods you shall know them.
Well today the Salmon Farming industry was dealt a heavy body blow by
the Scientific Journal Science http://www.sciencemag.org




http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Campaigns...re01080401.asp



I also see that the FDA has effectively dismissed the findings of that
study.



Do you have a link for that?


I read it in the paper on my way into work. But you'll find the FDA position
in alot
of articles on this study.
Like this exanmple:

"U.S. Food and Drug Administration officials rejected that recommendation.
"We don't believe these findings are cause for concern," said Terry Troxell,
director of the FDA's office of plant and dairy foods and beverages, which
started a similar study."

http://www.sunspot.net/news/health/b...alth-headlines

"James Silverton" wrote in message
...

"Musashi" wrote in message
om...

"Sam Salmon" wrote in message
...
Regular readers here will be familiar with my strident opposition to
the ecologically destructive and economically unsustainable Salmon
Aquaculture aka Salmon Farming Industry.
They will also be familiar with the shills and pimps for same said
abomination-by their lies and falsehoods you shall know them.
Well today the Salmon Farming industry was dealt a heavy body blow by
the Scientific Journal Science http://www.sciencemag.org




http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Campaigns...re01080401.asp



I also see that the FDA has effectively dismissed the findings of that
study.

That dismissal is almost a conditioned reflex but do you remember when the
British Agricultural Minister "demonstrated" the safety of the beef supply
by feeding his little daughter a hamburger on television? It was quite a
bust since she refused to eat it! is clear that serious investigation of
feeding practices for farmed fish is called for since, unfortunately,
that's
how we will be able to get affordable fish in the future.


This type of problem exists with nearly any food source that we can farm,
from shrimp
to fish to pigs. I guess it's the nature of operating a closed system.
And to be sure, certainly safeguards should be put into place for everyones
benefit.
The problem is to me is that the economic-emotional war going on between the
wild-salmon advocates and the farmed-salmon advocates don't do anything to
help the consumer.

Farmed salmon is not always sold as "farmed salmon". Sometimes it is sold as
"Atlantic Salmon".
How are we consumers suppose to know which is which?
Sometimes I see tags that say "Silver salmon" or "King salmon". These I know
are suppose to
be coho and chinook. But are they "wild" just because they are pacific
salmon species?
I know for a fact that some pacific species are beng farmed.
Finally we consumers need to see a price break on "wild salmon" is the
advocates want
the public to switch over. In fact, in most cases here on the east coast,
not only is it a
price issue, it is also an availability issue. You often simply can not find
and "wild" salmon
for sale, whereas the "farmed/atlantic" is everywhere.
So perhaps some laws standardizing the labelling of salmon, a break in
prices of wild salmon
and better distribution would go much farther than ranting about it on a
usenet forum to
people who often siimply don't have a choice.

Sounds to me like you're the type willing to pack your freezer with
inexpensive cuts of mad cows.


Blair P. Houghton wrote in message .. .
Sam Salmon wrote:
Regular readers here will be familiar with my strident opposition to
the ecologically destructive and economically unsustainable Salmon
Aquaculture aka Salmon Farming Industry.

You wouldn't be the slightest bit biased, now would you.

They will also be familiar with the shills and pimps for same said
abomination-by their lies and falsehoods you shall know them.

I know about the anti-farming hooligans and their fallacies.

Scientists tested approximately two tons of farmed and wild salmon,
and salmon feed collected from fish farm wholesalers and retailers in
major cities in North and South America and Europe, including
Vancouver and Toronto. Their findings indicate that contaminants are
significantly higher for farmed salmon than wild salmon.

Define significantly. And how does this intrinsically
damage farming, once the feed regulations are fixed?

The Science report argues that ?consumption of farmed salmon may
result in exposure to a variety of persistent bioaccumulative
contaminants with the potential for an elevation in attendant health
risks.?

"May," "potential." No significance there. Walking
in the sunshine may have the potential for giving you
skin cancer. You'd better wrap your whole body in tinfoil
and not just your skullcap.

Dr. David Bates, former Dean of Medicine at the University of British
Columbia, is an international expert on pollution. He concurs that
there is a serious risk to health from ingesting contaminants such as
PCBs in our everyday diet.

Another brilliant revelation from the files of No-Shit Sherlock.

?Studies have shown that PCBs have a remarkable ability to potentiate
cancer,? Bates says. ?The European Union and the World Health

"Potentiate." I haven't seen that used outside homeopathy
screeds before. No, wait, that's "potentize." "Potentiate"
doesn't mean what he thinks it means:

http://www.onelook.com/?loc=bm2&w=potentiate

He's saying it makes cancer worse. I don't see how he
can say that, considering he's trying to make the argument
that it causes cancer...is he really saying that if you already
have cancer you shouldn't eat PCBs?

?The study found that even the least contaminated farmed salmon have
significantly higher contamination levels of PCBs, dioxins, and other
chemicals than wild salmon. This once again underscores the need for
Canada to modernize our regulations regarding the amount of PCBs and
chemicals acceptable for human consumption.?

Doesn't look like a "heavy blow" to the industry.
Looks like a polite request for regulation by the
government, which the industry will no doubt be
following.

The Science report cites Environmental Protection Agency consumption
advice, which, based on the new findings, would recommend against
eating more than two meals per month of B.C. farmed fish. Those in
high-risk categories such as children and expectant mothers should eat
much less.

So you're going to tell us now how to distinguish BC farmed
fish from non-BC farmed fish.

The report authors also recommend fish producers and retailers label
salmon as farmed.

They already do, and it's tasty and safe.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Also see
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/01/08/salmon_04010
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3380735.stm

Of course the shills and media relations pimps have already tried to
muddy the waters-let's see them twist and turn here now!!!

You keep saying "shills and media relations pimps" like you're
not a garden-variety blathering reactionary yourself.

--Blair
"You might want to try acting
like a human being next time
you want to slander an entire
industry. It comes across as
harder to refute."

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 10:56:27 -0500, Dan Logcher
wrote:

That's fine for people who can get wild, but we on the East Coast
cannot get it as easily or cheaply. And for the record, I'm perfectly
satisfied with farmed salmon for sushi.

Well good for you Dan!
Certainly the price on your favourite chemical cocktail should drop
significantly soon.
Try to eat even more to help out the struggling industry and prove
what a great deal greasy tasteless farmed slugs really are.
Of course you'll be even better off once you start to glow in the
dark-think of the lower electricity bills!
I hope that you have a little something put away to pay the HazMat
cleanup crew when the grim reaper finally comes!

Sam Salmon wrote:

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 10:56:27 -0500, Dan Logcher
wrote:

That's fine for people who can get wild, but we on the East Coast
cannot get it as easily or cheaply. And for the record, I'm perfectly
satisfied with farmed salmon for sushi.


Try to eat even more to help out the struggling industry and prove
what a great deal greasy tasteless farmed slugs really are.
Of course you'll be even better off once you start to glow in the
dark-think of the lower electricity bills!
I hope that you have a little something put away to pay the HazMat
cleanup crew when the grim reaper finally comes!


If you say so, but how am I suppose to get wild salmon when it's not
available? Are you going to send it to me for free? I thought not.
Since you're unable to give me an alternative, I will continue what
I'm using now. It suits me fine. You can keep your wild salmon.

You're quite the gloom and doom guy, glad you're just nutty.

--
Dan

James wrote:
Sounds to me like you're the type willing to pack your freezer with
inexpensive cuts of mad cows.

I don't see any mad cows. I see nutcase pseudo-environmentalists
who are shilling for fishermen who are being out-competed by
farmers.

--Blair
"Tomorrow is salmon day."

Musashi wrote:

I also see that the FDA has effectively dismissed the findings of that
study.

Well, you have to consider whose FDA it is.

--Blair
"They think crude oil is a vegetable."

Musashi wrote:
Farmed salmon is not always sold as "farmed salmon". Sometimes it is sold as
"Atlantic Salmon".

They are the same kind of salmon, but, if it's farmed,
I think it must be labelled as farmed, and if it's not
labelled as farmed, it's not farmed.

I tried to look it up, but nobody at .gov wants to make
it easy to find information these days. At least, not in
this direction. They're always making it easier for them
to poke into our business.

Sometimes I see tags that say "Silver salmon" or "King salmon". These I know
are suppose to
be coho and chinook. But are they "wild" just because they are pacific
salmon species?
I know for a fact that some pacific species are beng farmed.

That would be good. Because pacific salmon have a higher
incidence of parasites that they get from their food,
and the pelletized feed is parasite-free.

Finally we consumers need to see a price break on "wild salmon" is the
advocates want
the public to switch over.

But that's the point of the propaganda campaign. They want
to drive down demand for farmed salmon and increase demand
for wild salmon so they not only don't have to reduce the
price, but can increase it.

In fact, in most cases here on the east coast,
not only is it a
price issue, it is also an availability issue. You often simply can not find
and "wild" salmon
for sale, whereas the "farmed/atlantic" is everywhere.
So perhaps some laws standardizing the labelling of salmon, a break in
prices of wild salmon
and better distribution would go much farther than ranting about it on a
usenet forum to
people who often siimply don't have a choice.

They don't want you to have a choice. They want the farms
shut down.

--Blair
"Fallacy of the excluded middle."