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Old 25-11-2003, 04:28 AM
Sandy
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My husband and I went out for Sushi this past Saturday night. We aren't
terribly adventurous in our Sushi-eating; mostly maguro, hamachi, and
salmon. We had these items along with the nice cucumber/crab salad and
some miso soup. Both of us had to excuse ourselves from the table, me
first, then him, and had the "D" word in the bathroom. This happened
twice to me in the same evening, and I've been fine since. Only a
little nausea today, but nothing Sunday.

This ever happen to anyone eating Sushi? Should I be concerned?

Sandy

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Old 25-11-2003, 05:44 AM
Dan Logcher
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Sandy wrote:

My husband and I went out for Sushi this past Saturday night. We aren't
terribly adventurous in our Sushi-eating; mostly maguro, hamachi, and
salmon. We had these items along with the nice cucumber/crab salad and
some miso soup. Both of us had to excuse ourselves from the table, me
first, then him, and had the "D" word in the bathroom. This happened
twice to me in the same evening, and I've been fine since. Only a
little nausea today, but nothing Sunday.

This ever happen to anyone eating Sushi? Should I be concerned?


You should be concerned, because food poison takes a bit longer
than that. So chances are you got it elsewhere (or this is fake).

Some food poisoning can take up to 48 hours to hit you, so think
about the last two days worth of meals. One of them was tainted.

--
Dan

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Old 25-11-2003, 08:34 AM
Sushi
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My husband and I went out for Sushi this past Saturday night.
We aren't terribly adventurous in our Sushi-eating; mostly
maguro, hamachi, and salmon. We had these items along with
the nice cucumber/crab salad and some miso soup. Both of us
had to excuse ourselves from the table, me first, then him,
and had the "D" word in the bathroom. This happened twice
to me in the same evening, and I've been fine since. Only a
little nausea today, but nothing Sunday.

This ever happen to anyone eating Sushi? Should I be concerned?


You should be concerned, because food poison takes a bit longer
than that. So chances are you got it elsewhere (or this is fake).

Some food poisoning can take up to 48 hours to hit you, so think
about the last two days worth of meals. One of them was tainted.


There are different types of food poisoning. Some poisons are
poisons (fugu: tetrodotoxin, FAST!). Some are allergens and can
cause anaphylactic shock (FAST). A lot of people have allergies
to shellfish, for example.

Many types of food poisoning are due to infectious agents
and symptoms are slower to appear. Bacterial infections:
salmonella, coliform, staph, E. coli, etc.

Other than the really FAST poisons (above), symptoms such as
yours from other poisons / allegens can appear in as little
as one hour - sometimes. Maybe three hours is more common
but an hour isn't impossible.

While I do think you and your husband should retrace your steps,
er, meals, it is possible that the problem was caused by something
in your sushi meal; not necessarily the sushi, but something
consumed at that restaurant. Do both of you have any food
allergies? E.g., bisulfite in wine or on salads causes respiratory
problems in sensitive people. It's an example of something you
might not have thought about. Maybe there was another additive
or preservative that caused your D problem?






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Old 25-11-2003, 03:05 PM
Dan Logcher
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Default Suddenly Ill (not from sushi)

Sushi wrote:

My husband and I went out for Sushi this past Saturday night.
We aren't terribly adventurous in our Sushi-eating; mostly
maguro, hamachi, and salmon. We had these items along with
the nice cucumber/crab salad and some miso soup. Both of us
had to excuse ourselves from the table, me first, then him,
and had the "D" word in the bathroom. This happened twice
to me in the same evening, and I've been fine since. Only a
little nausea today, but nothing Sunday.

This ever happen to anyone eating Sushi? Should I be concerned?

You should be concerned, because food poison takes a bit longer
than that. So chances are you got it elsewhere (or this is fake).

Some food poisoning can take up to 48 hours to hit you, so think
about the last two days worth of meals. One of them was tainted.


There are different types of food poisoning. Some poisons are
poisons (fugu: tetrodotoxin, FAST!). Some are allergens and can
cause anaphylactic shock (FAST). A lot of people have allergies
to shellfish, for example.



True, but if it were fugo poisoning, I don't think we'd be responding
to this person.


Other than the really FAST poisons (above), symptoms such as
yours from other poisons / allegens can appear in as little
as one hour - sometimes. Maybe three hours is more common
but an hour isn't impossible.



The fastest sympton I've had was about 3 hours.


While I do think you and your husband should retrace your steps,
er, meals, it is possible that the problem was caused by something
in your sushi meal; not necessarily the sushi, but something
consumed at that restaurant. Do both of you have any food
allergies? E.g., bisulfite in wine or on salads causes respiratory
problems in sensitive people. It's an example of something you
might not have thought about. Maybe there was another additive
or preservative that caused your D problem?


My father told me about an asthma attack he had due to sulfites used
to preserve lettuce. But that was an instant reaction, not an hour
or three. Most people I've talked with who have food allergies report
symptoms very quickly after exposure.

I just thought about something. Did they drink hot tea and miso soup
at the beginning of the meal?

--
Dan

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Old 25-11-2003, 09:56 PM
D. Lutjen
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Default Suddenly Ill (not from sushi)

"Dan Logcher" wrote in message
...

The fastest sympton I've had was about 3 hours.


Pepperoni pizza and a pitcher of cold beer will get you down to one hour or
less.

Once upon a time, we were so hungry, we ate some hamachi sushi that looked a
bit long in the tooth. It was. Once we got home (45 minutes later), it was
a made dash (fighting off the spouse) to the nearest biffy.


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Old 25-11-2003, 10:57 PM
Amanda
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On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 04:28:26 GMT, Sandy
wrote:

My husband and I went out for Sushi this past Saturday night. We aren't
terribly adventurous in our Sushi-eating; mostly maguro, hamachi, and
salmon. We had these items along with the nice cucumber/crab salad and
some miso soup. Both of us had to excuse ourselves from the table, me
first, then him, and had the "D" word in the bathroom. This happened
twice to me in the same evening, and I've been fine since. Only a
little nausea today, but nothing Sunday.

This ever happen to anyone eating Sushi? Should I be concerned?

Sandy


Probably wasn't from the sushi. In addition to the suggestions to
retrace your other culinary steps for the weekend, consider that some
people can be sensitive to overly fatty foods - if the salad had a lot
of mayo or oil, that could have triggered it. Also, some people can
be sensitive to having a hot or warm soup or beverage with their meal.
It may "push" things along. Especially if you had something with
fiber in it earlier in the day.

Scoop
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Old 26-11-2003, 12:58 AM
Sandy
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Default Suddenly Ill / Hot Tea & Miso Soup

Yes, we both had hot tea, and we both had Miso Soup. The salad was just
cucumber, crab, and the vinegar/sugar mix, and then the tuna/hamachi and
salmon nigiri(s). I felt ill before I finished six pieces of nigiri,
which followed the soup and salad. When I came back, we had a few rolls
with the same types of fish, plus some scallops, and it happened to me
again, and to him for the first time. I'm fine now, so I'm not worried.
My only real concern was the salmon and the threat of a tapeworm.
But, from what I've been reading, I wouldn't really have any symptoms
for awhile.

Anyway, thank you for your input. Why does soup and salad make a
difference? That's what we usually have -- this was a typical dinner
for us...

Thanks,

Sandy

Dan Logcher wrote:
Sushi wrote:

I just thought about something. Did they drink hot tea and miso soup
at the beginning of the meal?


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Old 26-11-2003, 01:07 AM
Tea
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"Sandy" wrote in message
news:xUSwb.232238$ao4.832639@attbi_s51...
Yes, we both had hot tea, and we both had Miso Soup. The salad was just
cucumber, crab, and the vinegar/sugar mix, and then the tuna/hamachi and
salmon nigiri(s). I felt ill before I finished six pieces of nigiri,
which followed the soup and salad. When I came back, we had a few rolls
with the same types of fish, plus some scallops, and it happened to me
again, and to him for the first time. I'm fine now, so I'm not worried.
My only real concern was the salmon and the threat of a tapeworm.
But, from what I've been reading, I wouldn't really have any symptoms
for awhile.

Anyway, thank you for your input. Why does soup and salad make a
difference? That's what we usually have -- this was a typical dinner
for us...

Thanks,

Sandy



Because doctors have found that vegetables can carry e. coli. If produce is
imported from countries where the sanitation and fertilizers are different
from our own, you can end up getting sick from ingesting fecal matter.

In other words, it might have been the fish, the veggies, or pretty much
anything you ate that night, if a server or food prep person didn't wash up
properly or if the fish was kept too warm or if the the table wasn't wiped
down well or if the vegetables came from a section of Latin America or the
Caribbean where human and animal dung are used as fertilizer.

I wish I could be more comforting.


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Old 26-11-2003, 01:23 AM
Dan Logcher
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Default Suddenly Ill / Hot Tea & Miso Soup

Sandy wrote:

Yes, we both had hot tea, and we both had Miso Soup. The salad was just
cucumber, crab, and the vinegar/sugar mix, and then the tuna/hamachi and
salmon nigiri(s). I felt ill before I finished six pieces of nigiri,
which followed the soup and salad. When I came back, we had a few rolls
with the same types of fish, plus some scallops, and it happened to me
again, and to him for the first time. I'm fine now, so I'm not worried.
My only real concern was the salmon and the threat of a tapeworm. But,
from what I've been reading, I wouldn't really have any symptoms for
awhile.




Anyway, thank you for your input. Why does soup and salad make a
difference? That's what we usually have -- this was a typical dinner
for us...


I had a few bouts similar to this after drinking hot green tea and
miso soup. I would doubt there was any "germs" in the tea, that stuff
was super heated. I burned my mouth once when I didn't notice the
waitress had filled my mug.

Anyway, someone here concluded that it may have been the hot liquids
that were the cause. I don't recall if I had salad on either occasion.

--
Dan

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Old 26-11-2003, 08:19 PM
Jeffrey Barker
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Default Suddenly Ill / Hot Tea & Miso Soup

Dan Logcher wrote in message ...
Sandy wrote:

Yes, we both had hot tea, and we both had Miso Soup. The salad was just
cucumber, crab, and the vinegar/sugar mix, and then the tuna/hamachi and
salmon nigiri(s). I felt ill before I finished six pieces of nigiri,
which followed the soup and salad. When I came back, we had a few rolls
with the same types of fish, plus some scallops, and it happened to me
again, and to him for the first time. I'm fine now, so I'm not worried.
My only real concern was the salmon and the threat of a tapeworm. But,
from what I've been reading, I wouldn't really have any symptoms for
awhile.




Anyway, thank you for your input. Why does soup and salad make a
difference? That's what we usually have -- this was a typical dinner
for us...


I had a few bouts similar to this after drinking hot green tea and
miso soup. I would doubt there was any "germs" in the tea, that stuff
was super heated. I burned my mouth once when I didn't notice the
waitress had filled my mug.

Anyway, someone here concluded that it may have been the hot liquids
that were the cause. I don't recall if I had salad on either occasion.


I've also become ill after drinking several cups of green tea. I
don't drink much caffeine and blamed it on having a lot of caffeine in
a short period of time. A cup doesn't bother me, but several did.
(And this was at home, when I was NOT eating, and the same brand from
the same package that didn't make me sick after 1 did after 3.)
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Old 26-11-2003, 08:50 PM
Dan Logcher
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Default Suddenly Ill / Hot Tea & Miso Soup

Jeffrey Barker wrote:

Dan Logcher wrote in message ...

Sandy wrote:


Yes, we both had hot tea, and we both had Miso Soup. The salad was just
cucumber, crab, and the vinegar/sugar mix, and then the tuna/hamachi and
salmon nigiri(s). I felt ill before I finished six pieces of nigiri,
which followed the soup and salad. When I came back, we had a few rolls
with the same types of fish, plus some scallops, and it happened to me
again, and to him for the first time. I'm fine now, so I'm not worried.
My only real concern was the salmon and the threat of a tapeworm. But,
from what I've been reading, I wouldn't really have any symptoms for
awhile.





Anyway, thank you for your input. Why does soup and salad make a
difference? That's what we usually have -- this was a typical dinner
for us...

I had a few bouts similar to this after drinking hot green tea and
miso soup. I would doubt there was any "germs" in the tea, that stuff
was super heated. I burned my mouth once when I didn't notice the
waitress had filled my mug.

Anyway, someone here concluded that it may have been the hot liquids
that were the cause. I don't recall if I had salad on either occasion.


I've also become ill after drinking several cups of green tea. I
don't drink much caffeine and blamed it on having a lot of caffeine in
a short period of time. A cup doesn't bother me, but several did.
(And this was at home, when I was NOT eating, and the same brand from
the same package that didn't make me sick after 1 did after 3.)


I don't think it's the caffeine that does that. I am a regular coffee
drinker, about 3 cups a day all in the morning. My green tea experience
was at lunch, so if it were caffeine, I'd be having the shakes or something.

I think it's the temperature of the tea.

--
Dan

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Old 28-11-2003, 03:36 AM
Ken Meyer
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Default Suddenly Ill / Hot Tea & Miso Soup

The symptoms you describe are identicle to what happens to me after I
ll the restaurant "NO MSG" or "Eeeah anji no moto" and they ignore me.
Sime elapsed time too. Are you MSG sensitive?
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Old 28-11-2003, 03:41 PM
Dan Logcher
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Default Suddenly Ill / Hot Tea & Miso Soup

Ken Meyer wrote:

The symptoms you describe are identicle to what happens to me after I
ll the restaurant "NO MSG" or "Eeeah anji no moto" and they ignore me.
Sime elapsed time too. Are you MSG sensitive?


No, not really. It makes me a little tired after eating a lot,
but no other ill effects. I never have digestive issues are
eating Dim Sum, just a little nap.

I was thinking it had to do with the miso paste or just the two
hot liquids in general. I didn't have any cramping like I had
when I got salmonella from a super market deli.

--
Dan

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Old 01-12-2003, 10:16 PM
Michael
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Default Suddenly Ill


"Sandy" wrote in message
news:KTAwb.298377$Fm2.318569@attbi_s04...
My husband and I went out for Sushi this past Saturday night. We aren't
terribly adventurous in our Sushi-eating; mostly maguro, hamachi, and
salmon. We had these items along with the nice cucumber/crab salad and
some miso soup. Both of us had to excuse ourselves from the table, me
first, then him, and had the "D" word in the bathroom. This happened
twice to me in the same evening, and I've been fine since. Only a
little nausea today, but nothing Sunday.

This ever happen to anyone eating Sushi? Should I be concerned?


from the symptoms and the speed I would vote for three drops of Visine in
your water glass. PO the waitress?


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Old 01-12-2003, 11:27 PM
Joe
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Default Suddenly Ill

Been gone for around 6 months now, good to see things haven't changed.
Why is it impossible to simply believe the poster? So many doubt the
story or tell them they must not have seen what they saw. As usual
this will keep people coming back for more (abuse). I think not.

Joe
Ex Sushi Zone Regular
Arlington, TX

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 22:16:11 GMT, "Michael"
wrote:


"Sandy" wrote in message
news:KTAwb.298377$Fm2.318569@attbi_s04...
My husband and I went out for Sushi this past Saturday night. We aren't
terribly adventurous in our Sushi-eating; mostly maguro, hamachi, and
salmon. We had these items along with the nice cucumber/crab salad and
some miso soup. Both of us had to excuse ourselves from the table, me
first, then him, and had the "D" word in the bathroom. This happened
twice to me in the same evening, and I've been fine since. Only a
little nausea today, but nothing Sunday.

This ever happen to anyone eating Sushi? Should I be concerned?


from the symptoms and the speed I would vote for three drops of Visine in
your water glass. PO the waitress?


 




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