"Musashi" wrote in message
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I think that that fact alone compensates for her mistakes and failures.

Not if she never learns from them.

"Musashi" wrote in message
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"Jules Network Test" wrote in message
...
I chose the words to the subject line very carefully, as it is the
Japanese
who eat whales and dolphins not out of necessity (unlike Innuits),
therefore
one could say that the subject matter raised questions about harvesting
depleting stock. It is beside the point to this alongside to what is
reared
for eating and that which is wild and, if hunted to today's quotas, will
oneday be extinct.
It is also hypocritical for Mr/Mrs/Ms Musashi to label myself a 'mental
retard' when he/she feels I have labelled the Japanese in an unfair
manner -
he/she must have as much regard towards the mentally challenged as for
the
poor dolphins.
For the record, I have a lot of Japanese friends, both in and out of
Japan,
and they don't share pro whaling camp.


Sorry but I find your last statement lacking in credibility.
You say you chose your words carefully???
"What is it with the Japanese" means "what is wrong with the Japanese."
Your subject line does NOT mean "what is the Japanese attitude".
If you considered these words carefully I suggest you go back to school
for
a remedial English class.
Furthermore, if you indeed have alot of Japanese friends both in and out
of
Japan then any
one of them would have told you that porpoises are not customarily
considered food in Japan,
that you will never find it in any fish market or restaurant.
Had you been talking about whale, that would have been a different matter.
The striped dolphins (not bottle nosed clever intelligent Flipper dolphins
of TV fame)
were being killed because of competetion for fish. The same reason that
American Fishermam use
to shoot seals because of competition for salmon. Additionally much of
Japans fish stocks are farmed
in ocean pens which are attacked by the porpoises. Perhaps a better
approach
should be taken to
solve the problem, but you posting a misleading subject line does nothing
to
accomplish that.

My personal problem- and it is personal- is that there probably are better
ways of dealing with the attacks. But still, slandering all Japanese is
ridiculous.

While I used the term 'barbaric' above, I must say this- pretty much
everything humans do to get food, clothing, shelter or safety is 'barbaric'.
We are animals. Pure and simple. All of us. And every culture has a custom
practice by some people that is barbaric to somebody else.

Years ago, the American Museum of Natural History had an exhibition on body
modification. I went to see it on a Saturday, but I had to have friends
remove me. Why? Because if I had to listen to one more thin-from-lipo woman
with obvious plastic surgery marks and stilletto heels natter on and on
about the horrible Chinese and the tiny shoes they 'forced' women to wear,
or the cruel Victorians and the disgusting corsets they 'forced' women to
wear, I was going to start screaming. Having worn corsets as well as high
heels, I can safely say that high heels are indescribably worse for the
entire body than a corset will ever be- by my standards, high heels rate
high on the 'barbarism' scale. I know that some of my Moslem students would
have agreed with me, including the one or two who wore burqas to class.
They thought American plastic surgery was sick and depraved- maybe we should
stop it based on their good opinion, but I doubt we will.

In article , Jules
Network Test wrote:

I chose the words to the subject line very carefully, as it is the
Japanese who eat whales and dolphins not out of necessity (unlike
Innuits), therefore one could say that the subject matter raised
questions about harvesting depleting stock.

"Japanese" do not all eat whale and/or dolphin. Just like all
Unitedstatesians do not eat beef or pork. You chose your words
carefully, but you should consider your thinking carefully even more
so.

It is beside the point to this alongside to what is reared for eating
and that which is wild and, if hunted to today's quotas, will oneday
be extinct.

Like Cod, Roughy and Salmon, we are fishing them all to extinction.
That's the nature of capitalism. Bitch about capitalists, or fishing
fleets. It has nothing to do with national constructs.

For the record, I have a lot of Japanese friends, both in and out of
Japan, and they don't share pro whaling camp.

For the record your roster of friends doesn't bolster one whit what is
a matter of your personal opinion. Your opinion is just fine as is, no
need to cloak it with faux authority by anecdotal reference to tiny,
vagure and irrelevant groups.

--
///--- Vote for the richest Republican. He understand the common man.

"Musashi" wrote in message
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"Jules Network Test" wrote in message
...
I chose the words to the subject line very carefully, as it is the
Japanese
who eat whales and dolphins not out of necessity (unlike Innuits),
therefore
one could say that the subject matter raised questions about harvesting
depleting stock. It is beside the point to this alongside to what is
reared
for eating and that which is wild and, if hunted to today's quotas, will
oneday be extinct.
It is also hypocritical for Mr/Mrs/Ms Musashi to label myself a 'mental
retard' when he/she feels I have labelled the Japanese in an unfair
manner -
he/she must have as much regard towards the mentally challenged as for
the
poor dolphins.
For the record, I have a lot of Japanese friends, both in and out of
Japan,
and they don't share pro whaling camp.


Sorry but I find your last statement lacking in credibility.
You say you chose your words carefully???

I hardly think you should be sorry for my incredible statement.

"What is it with the Japanese" means "what is wrong with the Japanese."
Your subject line does NOT mean "what is the Japanese attitude".

These are very similar and is open to interpretation by the author/reader,
when the whole sentence is read. It is also the view of one who, in any
given civilised society, would have found the reports disturbing. It is
also why the photographers went to such trouble to highlight such acts.
'Japanese' in this context does not, and was not meant to be racist or
encapsulate the Japanese as a whole, but rather the perpetrators of this
act.

If you considered these words carefully I suggest you go back to school
for
a remedial English class.

Why, is this a personal attack Ms Myashi?

Furthermore, if you indeed have alot of Japanese friends both in and out
of
Japan then any
one of them would have told you that porpoises are not customarily
considered food in Japan,
that you will never find it in any fish market or restaurant.
Had you been talking about whale, that would have been a different matter.

If you read that sentence again, you won't find any mention of fish markets
or restaurants, all that was mentioned were that my Japanese friends are
against the hunting of whales, including dolphins and porpoises. No, not
about food or buying it at the market stall. Remedial classes anyone? Oh,
my apologies, those classes are for the mentally retards only, and that
would certainly not include your royal highness Ms Myashi (or whatever)

The striped dolphins (not bottle nosed clever intelligent Flipper dolphins
of TV fame)
were being killed because of competetion for fish. The same reason that
American Fishermam use
to shoot seals because of competition for salmon.

Surely they have a right to exist and if survival means eating fish then so
be it - afterall they're sea creatures. If they need to cull the
'competition', then there is surely a more humane way to make the kill more
effective and not let the creatures bleed to death.

Additionally much of Japans fish stocks are farmed
in ocean pens which are attacked by the porpoises. Perhaps a better
approach
should be taken to
solve the problem, but you posting a misleading subject line does nothing
to
accomplish that.

Better security or porpoise proofing the pens. I don't hear reports from
Scottish fisheries about otters taking their crop.

what is 'vagure'?

"Gerry" wrote in message
d...
In article , Jules
Network Test wrote:

I chose the words to the subject line very carefully, as it is the
Japanese who eat whales and dolphins not out of necessity (unlike
Innuits), therefore one could say that the subject matter raised
questions about harvesting depleting stock.

"Japanese" do not all eat whale and/or dolphin. Just like all
Unitedstatesians do not eat beef or pork. You chose your words
carefully, but you should consider your thinking carefully even more
so.

It is beside the point to this alongside to what is reared for eating
and that which is wild and, if hunted to today's quotas, will oneday
be extinct.

Like Cod, Roughy and Salmon, we are fishing them all to extinction.
That's the nature of capitalism. Bitch about capitalists, or fishing
fleets. It has nothing to do with national constructs.

For the record, I have a lot of Japanese friends, both in and out of
Japan, and they don't share pro whaling camp.

For the record your roster of friends doesn't bolster one whit what is
a matter of your personal opinion. Your opinion is just fine as is, no
need to cloak it with faux authority by anecdotal reference to tiny,
vagure and irrelevant groups.

--
///--- Vote for the richest Republican. He understand the common man.

"Musashi" wrote in message
. com...

Actually, what I failed to mention earlier is that porpoise/dophin is NOT
a
KNOWN JAPANESE FOOD.
In other words, if you go walking into a Japanese restaurant and ask for
Flipper don't be surprised if you
get laughed at.


I had a similarly stupid discussion the other day on Craigslist, with a nit
who asked what the 'Asian culture's opinion' was on eating dog meat. After
explaining that there was no Asian culture opinion since most Asians don't
eat dogs, and that some South Koreans liked dog whereas some did not and
fought against the sale of dog meat, the same person asked me pretty much
the same question again.

Why is this a stupid discussion? Because Chef would never ask what is it
with the American attitude towards the murder of geese for foie gras. There
is no American opinion. Very few people eat foie gras, some people think
it's wrong to do so, and some people would eat it even if you held a gun to
their heads and told them to stop. The same with the American attitude
towards milkfed veal, or the American attitude towards eating crawdads.
There are Orthodox Jews in my town, and the last thing I looked, they were
al American. If I asked them what I thought of veal in cream sauce, or of
crawfish etoufee, would their opinion really signify anything? For that
matter, do the taste buds of a Louisianian reall reflects what someone from
wisconsin thinks of a food he may never well have tasted, and is fairly
obscure?
A better example would be possum, which is considered a delicacy in certain
parts of the rural South. If I took a picture of a possum getting shot on
the internet along with a story of how possum is sometimes found in cans and
jars along the backroads of Georgia, Chef would probably not call this
reflective of the American attitude towards members of the rodent family or
wonder aloud what we thought of said attitudes. I can tell you faithfully,
as a new Yorker, I have never tasted possum in my life, although I am pretty
sure my granddaddy did. I also have no opinion on the Black American
attitude towards the bizarre practice of eating a pig's intestines after
scouring them and cooking them on the stove without stuffing them first-
since I have never had hog maws and chitlins in my life, as I did not grow
up on a farm and do not wear overalls to work. My black American friends
from a Caribbean have even less of an opinion.

By the way- I just looked up an internet recipe for hog maws and chitlines.
I was always unter the impression that the maw was the cheek area. Boy was
I wrong. The maws are the pig stomachs.

In truth, my Mid-Atlantic mother once made chitlins for my coastal South
father. The house stank so bad before, during and a week after the cooking
(imagine the world's biggest fart cloud ant that will give you an idea) that
she never made them again. I refused to eat them. My father, by the way,
does not own overalls anymore, but did wear them as a child when he grew up
on a small farm. No doubt that is where he acquired a taste for a regional
food that all black people supposedly eat and love- that is if you listen to
the info given in old movies. But then, we're all supposed to be frightened
of ghosts and sleep a lot, too. I assume that ideas concerning bizarre
Japanese eating habits come from the same mythical place as the one that
produced stories regarding my ancestors. If porpoise was a popular dish in
Japan, a good many of us here would have tasted it by now.

what a dumb F***. I shouldn't even dignify it with a reply, however to put
the record straight. Foie Gras is only the liver part of the fowl, true
it's force fed to enlarge the liver. Where in the post did you see me
condone this practice? For whatever reason the French so, the entire goose
is used, feathers, fat et al - none is wasted. For the second point, the
geese are reared and - in particular the Foie Gras de D'oie flock are
government regulated and the birds are usually what is termed 'free range'.
The dolphins are wild and if the culling at this rate continues, it will be
wiped out. I would not be suprised that you folks misundertand the delights
of Foie Gras, when the cheesebugger is considered the daily staple.



"Tea" wrote in message
...

"Musashi" wrote in message
. com...

Actually, what I failed to mention earlier is that porpoise/dophin is
NOT
a
KNOWN JAPANESE FOOD.
In other words, if you go walking into a Japanese restaurant and ask for
Flipper don't be surprised if you
get laughed at.


I had a similarly stupid discussion the other day on Craigslist, with a
nit
who asked what the 'Asian culture's opinion' was on eating dog meat.
After
explaining that there was no Asian culture opinion since most Asians don't
eat dogs, and that some South Koreans liked dog whereas some did not and
fought against the sale of dog meat, the same person asked me pretty much
the same question again.

Why is this a stupid discussion? Because Chef would never ask what is it
with the American attitude towards the murder of geese for foie gras.
There
is no American opinion. Very few people eat foie gras, some people think
it's wrong to do so, and some people would eat it even if you held a gun
to
their heads and told them to stop. The same with the American attitude
towards milkfed veal, or the American attitude towards eating crawdads.
There are Orthodox Jews in my town, and the last thing I looked, they were
al American. If I asked them what I thought of veal in cream sauce, or of
crawfish etoufee, would their opinion really signify anything? For that
matter, do the taste buds of a Louisianian reall reflects what someone
from
wisconsin thinks of a food he may never well have tasted, and is fairly
obscure?
A better example would be possum, which is considered a delicacy in
certain
parts of the rural South. If I took a picture of a possum getting shot on
the internet along with a story of how possum is sometimes found in cans
and
jars along the backroads of Georgia, Chef would probably not call this
reflective of the American attitude towards members of the rodent family
or
wonder aloud what we thought of said attitudes. I can tell you
faithfully,
as a new Yorker, I have never tasted possum in my life, although I am
pretty
sure my granddaddy did. I also have no opinion on the Black American
attitude towards the bizarre practice of eating a pig's intestines after
scouring them and cooking them on the stove without stuffing them first-
since I have never had hog maws and chitlins in my life, as I did not grow
up on a farm and do not wear overalls to work. My black American friends
from a Caribbean have even less of an opinion.

I think you mean 'chitterlings'?

"Tea" wrote in message
...

By the way- I just looked up an internet recipe for hog maws and
chitlines.
I was always unter the impression that the maw was the cheek area. Boy
was
I wrong. The maws are the pig stomachs.

In truth, my Mid-Atlantic mother once made chitlins for my coastal South
father. The house stank so bad before, during and a week after the
cooking
(imagine the world's biggest fart cloud ant that will give you an idea)
that
she never made them again. I refused to eat them. My father, by the way,
does not own overalls anymore, but did wear them as a child when he grew
up
on a small farm. No doubt that is where he acquired a taste for a
regional
food that all black people supposedly eat and love- that is if you listen
to
the info given in old movies. But then, we're all supposed to be
frightened
of ghosts and sleep a lot, too. I assume that ideas concerning bizarre
Japanese eating habits come from the same mythical place as the one that
produced stories regarding my ancestors. If porpoise was a popular dish in
Japan, a good many of us here would have tasted it by now.

In article , Chef!
wrote:

what is 'vagure'?

Vague with a errant "r". Though I noted when attemping a lookup, that
there is a word vaguer; more vague. A surprise to me.

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///--- Vote for the richest Republican. He understand the common man.

"Chef!" wrote in
:

I think you mean 'chitterlings'?

Go down South and pronounce it like that and see what happens.

Kinda like how WORCESTER (Mass) is pronounced "WOOSTER"

If you walk into a place that actually sells them or serves them and ask
for them by any other name than CHITLINS and it will at least give them
something to smile about for the rest of the week.

"Yes hello I'd like some chitterlings and some corn bread with some collard
greens."
"Yes I said chitterlings. Why are you laughing?"
"No, I am NOT from around here why?"

(and if you call them chitterlings, the next thing you say will likely be)
"WHOA THESE SMELL! WHAT PART OF THE PIG ARE THESE FROM???!!1"

In article , JohnW
wrote:

I think you mean 'chitterlings'?

Go down South and pronounce it like that and see what happens.

The idea of someone who's not from the south eating that sludge would
be even more amazing.

Same with menudo...

--
///--- Vote for the richest Republican. He understand the common man.

"shadow self" wrote in message
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"Musashi" wrote in message
om...

I think that that fact alone compensates for her mistakes and failures.

Not if she never learns from them.

Yes I can't deny that
But governments are made up of people, and we all knoe
people are not perfect, they do make mistakes

"Tea" wrote in message
...

"Musashi" wrote in message
. com...

Actually, what I failed to mention earlier is that porpoise/dophin is
NOT
a
KNOWN JAPANESE FOOD.
In other words, if you go walking into a Japanese restaurant and ask for
Flipper don't be surprised if you
get laughed at.


I had a similarly stupid discussion the other day on Craigslist, with a
nit
who asked what the 'Asian culture's opinion' was on eating dog meat.
After
explaining that there was no Asian culture opinion since most Asians don't
eat dogs, and that some South Koreans liked dog whereas some did not and
fought against the sale of dog meat, the same person asked me pretty much
the same question again.

Why is this a stupid discussion? Because Chef would never ask what is it
with the American attitude towards the murder of geese for foie gras.
There
is no American opinion. Very few people eat foie gras, some people think
it's wrong to do so, and some people would eat it even if you held a gun
to
their heads and told them to stop. The same with the American attitude
towards milkfed veal, or the American attitude towards eating crawdads.
There are Orthodox Jews in my town, and the last thing I looked, they were
al American. If I asked them what I thought of veal in cream sauce, or of
crawfish etoufee, would their opinion really signify anything? For that
matter, do the taste buds of a Louisianian reall reflects what someone
from
wisconsin thinks of a food he may never well have tasted, and is fairly
obscure?
A better example would be possum, which is considered a delicacy in
certain
parts of the rural South. If I took a picture of a possum getting shot on
the internet along with a story of how possum is sometimes found in cans
and
jars along the backroads of Georgia, Chef would probably not call this
reflective of the American attitude towards members of the rodent family
or
wonder aloud what we thought of said attitudes. I can tell you
faithfully,
as a new Yorker, I have never tasted possum in my life, although I am
pretty
sure my granddaddy did. I also have no opinion on the Black American
attitude towards the bizarre practice of eating a pig's intestines after
scouring them and cooking them on the stove without stuffing them first-
since I have never had hog maws and chitlins in my life, as I did not grow
up on a farm and do not wear overalls to work. My black American friends
from a Caribbean have even less of an opinion.


Very good examples.
A Japanese friend once asked me if I ever ate Bull's testicles as he had
heard they are eaten in America.
I asked him "Have you ever eaten Basashi? (Raw Horse Meat)".

Since you make a clear distinction between "culled from the wild" and
"reared" may I assume
that you only eat Farm Raised Salmon and never Wild Alaskan Salmon?

"Chef!" wrote in message
...
what a dumb F***. I shouldn't even dignify it with a reply, however to
put
the record straight. Foie Gras is only the liver part of the fowl, true
it's force fed to enlarge the liver. Where in the post did you see me
condone this practice? For whatever reason the French so, the entire
goose
is used, feathers, fat et al - none is wasted. For the second point, the
geese are reared and - in particular the Foie Gras de D'oie flock are
government regulated and the birds are usually what is termed 'free
range'.
The dolphins are wild and if the culling at this rate continues, it will
be
wiped out. I would not be suprised that you folks misundertand the
delights
of Foie Gras, when the cheesebugger is considered the daily staple.



"Tea" wrote in message
...

"Musashi" wrote in message
. com...

Actually, what I failed to mention earlier is that porpoise/dophin is
NOT
a
KNOWN JAPANESE FOOD.
In other words, if you go walking into a Japanese restaurant and ask
for
Flipper don't be surprised if you
get laughed at.


I had a similarly stupid discussion the other day on Craigslist, with a
nit
who asked what the 'Asian culture's opinion' was on eating dog meat.
After
explaining that there was no Asian culture opinion since most Asians
don't
eat dogs, and that some South Koreans liked dog whereas some did not and
fought against the sale of dog meat, the same person asked me pretty
much
the same question again.

Why is this a stupid discussion? Because Chef would never ask what is
it
with the American attitude towards the murder of geese for foie gras.
There
is no American opinion. Very few people eat foie gras, some people
think
it's wrong to do so, and some people would eat it even if you held a gun
to
their heads and told them to stop. The same with the American attitude
towards milkfed veal, or the American attitude towards eating crawdads.
There are Orthodox Jews in my town, and the last thing I looked, they
were
al American. If I asked them what I thought of veal in cream sauce, or
of
crawfish etoufee, would their opinion really signify anything? For that
matter, do the taste buds of a Louisianian reall reflects what someone
from
wisconsin thinks of a food he may never well have tasted, and is fairly
obscure?
A better example would be possum, which is considered a delicacy in
certain
parts of the rural South. If I took a picture of a possum getting shot
on
the internet along with a story of how possum is sometimes found in cans
and
jars along the backroads of Georgia, Chef would probably not call this
reflective of the American attitude towards members of the rodent family
or
wonder aloud what we thought of said attitudes. I can tell you
faithfully,
as a new Yorker, I have never tasted possum in my life, although I am
pretty
sure my granddaddy did. I also have no opinion on the Black American
attitude towards the bizarre practice of eating a pig's intestines after
scouring them and cooking them on the stove without stuffing them first-
since I have never had hog maws and chitlins in my life, as I did not
grow
up on a farm and do not wear overalls to work. My black American friends
from a Caribbean have even less of an opinion.