Dan Logcher wrote:
Gerry wrote:
Don't put your hashi in storage just yet:

The Times' Fishy Story
NEVERMIND THAT SCAREMONGERING STORY ABOUT MERCURY-TAINTED SUSHI.

http://www.slate.com/id/2182823/nav/tap3/

I'm not a big tuna eater anyways.. so the "scare" wasn't going to
stop me from eating what little I do. I will still reduce the
amount my children eat, regardless of the counter article.

They can decide what the want to eat when they pay for the sushi
themselves

well, since the rebuttal came from an industry group that works for the
fishing industry, I can't say I have a lot of faith in their science. In
fact, a lot of it is specious.

http://www.sushifaq.com/sushiotaku/2...-tuna-tempest/

frankly, we always knew tuna has mercury and it's always been smart to
minimize consumption, especially high risk individuals. I don't eat it
because we're killing off the species by overfishing, but that a whole
'nother issue.

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On Jan 30, 10:13*am, "James Silverton"
wrote:

*JD If it kills me, I'll die with a contented, happy, sushi
*JD smile on my face!

*Slowly and brain damaged :-) Remember the "Mad Hatter"!.

I'm told that I'm already as mad as a hatter and have been accused of
being slow.

I currently have 6 heart bypasses, advanced heart disease and liver
disease. I take 13 medications every day to "balance" the problems.

I've had many, many heart attacks, including several major ones.

However, after 10 years of watching my diet, taking my meds,
exercising way more than I used to, and cutting back on alcohol, my
Internal Medical Specialist tells me that he feels I'll probably live
another 10 to 15 years.

I've been shot at so many times in combat and as a police officer,
been in so many fights as a result of my job, many, many traffic
wrecks, and one plane crash.

I'll tell you the absolute truth; hardly anything scares me any more.

If I were to die from Mercury poisoning, it would be classic.

Good luck to all of you. I'm still using mine. If it ever runs out, I
guess that will be the one to get me. In my own opinion, I doubt that
Mercury will do it.

'sides, I love my sushi. Toro is the closest I'll ever come to sex
again.

No one wants to play 'Hide the wrinkle' with a guy like me that has
way too many, so I've learned to substitute other things for it.

If I think I can go twice, I always get the Ikura gunkenzushi. Oh My!

I can't have a ciggy after tho'. hahaa

On Jan 30, 10:30*am, Dan Logcher wrote:

Its true.. FUD is effective.

F'n ugly Democrats?

Frothing Utter Disease?

Federal Urinalysis Department?

Ok, I give

John Doe wrote:
On Jan 30, 10:30 am, Dan Logcher wrote:


Its true.. FUD is effective.


F'n ugly Democrats?

Frothing Utter Disease?

Federal Urinalysis Department?

Ok, I give

Close but its "fear, uncertainty, and doubt."

--
Dan

John Doe wrote:

On Jan 30, 10:13 am, "James Silverton"
wrote:


JD If it kills me, I'll die with a contented, happy, sushi
JD smile on my face!

Slowly and brain damaged :-) Remember the "Mad Hatter"!.


I'm told that I'm already as mad as a hatter and have been accused of
being slow.

I currently have 6 heart bypasses, advanced heart disease and liver
disease. I take 13 medications every day to "balance" the problems.

I've had many, many heart attacks, including several major ones.

However, after 10 years of watching my diet, taking my meds,
exercising way more than I used to, and cutting back on alcohol, my
Internal Medical Specialist tells me that he feels I'll probably live
another 10 to 15 years.

I've been shot at so many times in combat and as a police officer,
been in so many fights as a result of my job, many, many traffic
wrecks, and one plane crash.

Wow!!! You're a mess

If I were to die from Mercury poisoning, it would be classic.

Yeah, that would be.. of all the things that could have gotten ya
and it was the damn tuna!

I can't have a ciggy after tho'. hahaa

Just waiting for the day when its Demolition Man..

--
Dan

On 2008-01-30 08:05:10 -0800, Warren said:

Dan Logcher wrote:
Gerry wrote:
Don't put your hashi in storage just yet:

The Times' Fishy Story
NEVERMIND THAT SCAREMONGERING STORY ABOUT MERCURY-TAINTED SUSHI.

http://www.slate.com/id/2182823/nav/tap3/

I'm not a big tuna eater anyways.. so the "scare" wasn't going to
stop me from eating what little I do. I will still reduce the
amount my children eat, regardless of the counter article.

They can decide what the want to eat when they pay for the sushi
themselves

well, since the rebuttal came from an industry group that works for the
fishing industry, I can't say I have a lot of faith in their science.
In fact, a lot of it is specious.

The University of Rochester works for the fishing industry? Or Slate
columnist Jack Shafer works for the industry?

http://www.sushifaq.com/sushiotaku/2...-tuna-tempest/

frankly, we always knew tuna has mercury and it's always been smart to
minimize consumption, especially high risk individuals. I don't eat it
because we're killing off the species by overfishing, but that a whole
'nother issue.

We did? When did I begin knowing this? If we know there is mercury in
it, do we know how much relative to say, the Minamata disaster?
--
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Gerry wrote:

We did? When did I begin knowing this?

I knew this going back at least 6 years.. probably longer.
My wife was told by her doctor to limit her diet of larger
predator fish, such as tuna, shark, swordfish, tilefish,
and king mackerel during her first pregnancy.

--
Dan

On 2008-01-30 16:30:03 -0800, Dan Logcher said:

Gerry wrote:

We did? When did I begin knowing this?

I knew this going back at least 6 years.. probably longer.
My wife was told by her doctor to limit her diet of larger
predator fish, such as tuna, shark, swordfish, tilefish,
and king mackerel during her first pregnancy.

The point: We doesn't include everybody you know.
--
///---

On 2008-01-31 04:33:54 -0800, Wilson said:

As to when did we first start knowing about mercury in our oceans, it
takes about 30 years for almost any information that might mean a
change in habits to fight its way up through the vested interests to
where it becomes 'a noise on the streets.' It takes another 10 years
after that for the noise to become 'a popular notion.'

Perhaps one of the ways it becomes news or noise is from newspaper
publications. Like the recent article in the NYTimes for instance. I
may indeed have been the last person in my state to know that there
were potentially harmful levels of mercury in MOST tuna, or conversely
that ther is not harmful levels of mercury in MOST tuna. I didn't know
either idea until the recent news reports--and rebutal of same--on this
story.

I don't claim to know which group is the liars and fabricators of "science".

So, again I'm not sure who the "we" is in "we all know" about mercury
in fish. That "we" doesn't include me. Now it does of course: I share
the non-knowledge of something involving mercury in our tuna, or not.
--
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Consumer Reports
July 2006

Mercury in tuna
New safety concerns




Mercury in tuna: new safety concerns
Photography by
Photocuisine/Corbis
Canned light tuna, long recommended as the safer choice because of its
presumably lower mercury content, sometimes harbors at least as much
of that potentially harmful heavy metal as white tuna does, our
analysis of Food and Drug Administration data has shown. That finding
raises new concerns about the safety of canned tuna for pregnant
women.

We scrutinized the results of FDA tests posted recently on its Web
site and, as expected, found that most cans of light tuna had only a
third as much mercury, on average, as white tuna, also known as
albacore. But 6 percent of the light-tuna samples contained at least
as much of the metal--in some cases more than twice as much--as the
average in albacore. One possible reason: Some canned light tuna may
contain yellowfin, which tends to have much more mercury than
skipjack, the type usually found in cans labeled as light. (But
albacore is generally the only species that's labeled.)

The FDA has not warned consumers about those occasionally higher
mercury levels because it believes the levels don't pose any
significant threat, according to David Acheson, M.D., the chief
medical officer at the agency's Center for Food Safety & Applied
Nutrition. "If you eat a single can of something that's a little
higher than the average, it's not going to do any acute harm," Acheson
said when we asked him about fetal safety.

But Consumer Reports' fish-safety experts note that some cans are much
higher in mercury than average. And they say there's enough
uncertainty about the safety of even brief exposure of the fetus to
such higher mercury levels that a more cautious approach is warranted.

To help guide pregnant women and others who wonder whether tuna and
other fish are still safe to eat--and if so, how much--here are CR's
answers to 10 crucial questions about mercury in fish. Note that all
of the following recommendations for weekly or monthly fish
consumption assume that no other mercury-containing seafood is eaten
during that time.



1
Why should I bother eating fish if there might be risks?

Some fish are safe for everyone (see question 7), and many others can
be safely consumed in limited amounts. And seafood is still an
important part of a healthful diet. It contains heart-protecting
omega-3 fatty acids. It's also a good source of protein and is usually
low in saturated fat.



2
What is mercury, and how does it get into tuna and other fish?

Mercury is a heavy metal, naturally present in rocks and soil, that
gets into the environment mainly from emissions generated by coal-
burning power plants and waste incinerators. Small amounts are also
released as soil and rocks break down or during disposal of products
that contain mercury, such as fluorescent light bulbs and certain
thermometers. Mercury eventually reaches the oceans and rivers, where
bacteria convert it to a more toxic form of the metal, which then
accumulates in long-lived predatory fish, including tuna. Indeed,
consumption of fish is the primary source of mercury in Americans'
bodies.

Consumer Reports

3
Who's at greatest risk from exposure to mercury, and what's the
possible harm?

Fetuses and young children appear to face the most risk, because of
their small size and the vulnerability of their developing nervous
system. Studies of fish-eating populations have linked low-level
mercury exposure in pregnant women and young children with subtle
impairments in neurological and behavioral functioning, such as
hearing, eye-hand coordination, and learning ability. Other evidence
suggests that frequent consumption of high-mercury fish by adults may
affect the neurologic, cardiovascular, and immune systems.

The effects of sporadic exposure to the higher mercury levels in some
light-tuna cans have not been determined. But some scientists are
concerned that even brief exposure to those mercury levels at critical
points in fetal development may be harmful. For example, studies in
primates and rats have shown that mercury blocks the ability of
developing brain cells to migrate to the proper place and form
appropriate connections. Moreover, our consultants say studies have
not established that there's any minimal frequency, duration, or
amount of mercury exposure that is safe for the fetus.



4
Should those who are most susceptible to the effects of mercury eat
canned tuna?

Based on the FDA data and the mercury- exposure levels that the
Environmental Protection Agency deems acceptable, here's what our
experts recommend:

Pregnant women. Given the uncertainties about the safety of even chunk-
light tuna, we think it's prudent for pregnant women to avoid canned
tuna entirely.

Young children (up to about 45 pounds). They can safely eat about one-
half to one 6-ounce can (roughly 4.5 ounces drained) of chunk-light
tuna per week, or up to one-third of a can of solid-light or white,
depending on their weight. The advice about solid-light is based on
limited FDA data suggesting that it may contain considerably more
mercury, on average, than chunk-light does, though less than albacore.

Women of childbearing age who aren't pregnant. Mercury can linger in
the body after you stop eating fish. So we advise these women to eat
no more than about three chunk-light cans per week, or one can of
solid-light or white-tuna.



5
How much canned tuna can older kids eat?

It's not clear exactly when children become less vulnerable to
mercury; indeed, the brain continues to develop through the teenage
years. Nevertheless, government regulators assume that the heavier the
child, the more mercury can be safely consumed. Our experts think it's
prudent for children weighing anywhere from about 45 pounds to 130
pounds to eat no more than one to three cans of chunk-light tuna per
week, depending on their weight. Or they could have one-third to one
can of solid-light or white tuna per week.



6
What about canned tuna for men and older women?

The same weekly intake that's considered safe for women of
childbearing age who are not pregnant--roughly three cans of chunk-
light tuna or one can of solid-light or white--is almost surely safe
for men and older women as well. They can quite likely eat more than
that without harm, but the exact amounts are not known.



7
Are there any types of fish that are low in mercury?

Some seafood species--salmon, shrimp, clams, and tilapia--have such
consistently low mercury levels that everyone, including pregnant
women and young children, can safely eat them every day. (Choosing
wild salmon minimizes exposure to a number of other pollutants.) Other
low-mercury species, including oysters, hake, sardines, crawfish,
pollock, herring, flounder, sole, mullet, Atlantic mackerel, scallops,
crab, and Atlantic croaker, can be consumed anywhere from once a week
to daily, depending on body weight and the fish species (see Low-
mercury seafood choices).



8
What about all the other fish--should I restrict my intake of those,
too?

Fish other than the low-mercury types listed above should be eaten in
more limited amounts or not at all, as follows:

Pregnant women. Follow the FDA recommendation and don't eat tilefish,
shark, swordfish, or king mackerel, which are very high in mercury. We
further suggest that pregnant women limit their seafood choices to the
low-mercury species listed under question 6, for two reasons. Some
species--including Chilean bass, halibut, American lobster, and
Spanish mackerel--occasionally contain as much mercury as the most
contaminated types, such as swordfish. And some fish have not been
thoroughly tested for mercury.

Women of childbearing age and all children. They should avoid the same
four high-mercury fish that are off-limits to pregnant women. As for
other fish, apart from those on our low-mercury list, the amount of
the metal they contain varies greatly. Some fish can be safely
consumed only once a month, while others can be eaten many times.
People who want to be as safe as possible can minimize their
consumption of these fish.

Women beyond childbearing age and men. More frequent fish intake,
including a very occasional serving of a high-mercury species, is
unlikely to cause harm. But studies have not determined the acceptable
amounts. To be on the safe side, those people may want to follow the
advice for women of childbearing age.

Note that state agencies and the Environmental Protection Agency
periodically issue advisories for locally caught fish based on
regional contaminant levels. To find advisories for your region, go to
www.epa.gov/waterscience/fish/states.htm .



9
Is there a way to get the benefits of fish without actually eating it?

Fish-oil supplements appear to be a safe, reliable way to get omega-3
fatty acids. When we last tested those pills, for our July 2003
report, we found no problems with quality or with worrisome amounts of
any of the heavy metals we assessed, including mercury. But women of
childbearing age and young children's parents should still check with
their doctor before taking those pills or giving them to kids. As for
protein, reasonably low-fat sources include skinless white chicken,
lean beef or pork, tofu, and beans.



10
Should the government be doing more to protect consumers against
mercury in tuna and other fish?

Consumers Union, publisher of Consumer Reports, thinks the FDA should
take several steps. First, the agency should strengthen its advice to
vulnerable groups about eating fish. In particular, it should make its
recommendations on albacore tuna consistent with its advice on other
fish by reducing the amounts of albacore it says is safe for those
groups to consume. It needs to further revise its warnings to pregnant
women to account for the occasional peak mercury levels in tuna and
other fish. The FDA also should develop advice for men and older women
and conduct more extensive tests, especially of commonly eaten species
such as tilapia and clams. In addition, we urge the FDA to require
that information about mercury risks be posted on canned-tuna labels
and in stores and restaurants that sell or serve fish.



http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/index.htm

Wilson wrote:
quoted from http://www.maine.gov/dep/mercury/

Since all waters run back to the sea and since mercury in tissue stays
their until death, top of the food chain consumers are at the greatest
risk of accumulating it in their selves. That's why there are some many
advisories against eating people ;-)

So what now? I have to dump all of my frozen stuff in my freezer?

--
Dan

"...from fools, wise men have become, but dumb-ass is just
about forever (until their second term is over.) "



And then, incredible as it may seem, they'll dredge one up that's
actually even worse to install in its place.

On Jan 31, 1:46*pm, wrote:
"...from fools, wise men have become, but dumb-ass is just
about forever (until their second term is over.) "

And then, incredible as it may seem, they'll dredge one up that's
actually even worse to install in its place.

Uh-Hmmmmmmm!

Are you guys lost?

SUSHI GROUP

NOT POLITICAL GROUP

Thank you very much.

On Jan 31, 6:07*pm, Wilson wrote:
sometime in the recent past John Doe posted this:



On Jan 31, 1:46 pm, wrote:
"...from fools, wise men have become, but dumb-ass is just
about forever (until their second term is over.) "

And then, incredible as it may seem, they'll dredge one up that's
actually even worse to install in its place.

Uh-Hmmmmmmm!

Are you guys lost?

SUSHI GROUP

NOT POLITICAL GROUP

Thank you very much.

Sorry John, to quote you:

F'n ugly Democrats?

Seems like you broke the cherry on the politics. ;-)

Hahahaaha, you're right. Forgive me. I'm going to go sit in the corner
now...

Gerry wrote:

We did? When did I begin knowing this?


C'mon Gerry,you're arguing semantics. "We" is used often colloquially.
High mercury content in large predatory fish has been all over the news
for years, there is plenty of industry buzz, and doctors have been
telling pregnant & lactating women and children to avoid these kinds of
fishes for a long time.

If you have somehow missed out on the news, it is surprising to me, but
it's old news. I first heard it in the mid 90's and stopped eating
salmon skin rolls for that very reason. I'm not telling you what to do,
just saying that while I despise media fear mongering, the NYT does have
a point.

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