On Jan 7, 12:33*pm, Wilson wrote:
sometime in the recent past John Doe posted this:



On Jan 7, 9:33 am, Wilson wrote:
sometime in the recent past Nick Cramer posted this:

John Doe wrote:
On Jan 3, 9:47=A0pm, wrote:
[ . . . ]
Food is meant to be enjoyed, whatever your tastes.
If you like Tabasco on your Ikura with a side of coleslaw, and it's
available at the place you're eating, then eat it and enjoy it!
This fanaticism about making sure someone else likes what you eat is
crazy.
As long as you're polite, do not make other diners unhappy because of
your behavior and you enjoy the food as you like it prepared, go for
it.
Agreed.
If someone else makes a comment about how you like your food, then
tell them to mind their own business and enjoy their food the way they
like it and leave you alone.
Perhaps thanking them for their interest and then ignoring them would be
more polite (see above).

Sorry pal, polite went out the door as soon as someone is rude enough
to talk to me about how I should eat my food. As with your smart ass
comments later, I don't mince words either.

Watching someone else eat their food at another table is considered
rude. If someone does this to you, ignore them and enjoy what you've
paid for.
If you don't like mayo on anything, then instruct the chef to NOT put
it on anything he serves you.
Requesting, rather than instructing, might pay higher dividends.

When I'm paying for it, the chef makes what I like. I'm not
requesting, I'm instructing. Since you seem to be worried more about
what someone thinks of you after you leave, I understand that you're
actually scared to tell the chef how to make your food. Hell, let him
make it the way HE likes it. That way, he won't laugh at you later.

By this advice, I don't mean for you to pull out a jug of kimche and
pour it over your meal. If kimche is offered and you like it on your
rolls, then ask for it to be put into your rolls. It's your meal, not
anyone else's.
As for "Traditional" or not....who cares? I eat what I enjoy. I don't
eat what I don't enjoy.
Unless you're eating your sushi while standing at a cart in the
street, then you're really NOT being truly "Traditional" if you want
to go back far enough. Let's not be silly folks.
I certainly don't mean to insult anyone, but if someone were to tell
someone how to eat their food, then they better be paying for it and
talking to their own children.
Yes, there are limits. Polite. Not making a big scene. Common everyday
politeness.
I've been eating sushi for 30 years. Don't tell me how to eat my food..
I'll eat it as I like to within reason.
I don't care what scale the place is. Unless the chef is paying for my
meal, I'll eat what I feel like eating and he'll make it the way I
tell him to make it or I'll simply go elsewhere.
I'll tell the Itamae, "Onigaishimas'", 'whatever I want'. Regarding how I
want it, I'll say, "Kudasai." I'm aware that I'm an honored guest and
there's no need for me to wave my katana to get good service.

What a crock of bull. I'm no guest in a restrurant. I'm a paying
customer. When I speak to a chef in an American resruant, I'll speak
english, not Japanese. Big deal, you know a few words in Japanese. You
think that makes people respect you? Wrong.

In those 30 years, not a single person has ever told me that I was
eating my sushi wrong with the exception of a very impolite waitress
who told me to use chops instead of using my fingers for pieces of a
roll. I told her in short order to mind her own business and go away.
The manager of the place agreed with me.
Perhaps she was just trying to be helpful. You might have thanked her,
continued as you were, and not put her job in jeapordy.

Some waitress comes to my table and tells me that the perfectly
respectful manner in which I eat isn't ok with her? Give me a break.
Maybe she'll actually be better at her new job flipping burgers.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and take John Doe at face value and
agree that his waitress was rude and not simply trying to be helpful.

Her "helpful" was rude. I don't care if she was trying to be or not.
She can go practice on someone who isn't paying $50+ bucks for the
meal. I'm not an instructor, I'm a customer.

Have to ask you, Nick, if you back doesn't hurt bending over
backwards like that to defend someone you don't know in a
situation you weren't involved in. Gaijin or nanban, you appear to
have some of the lingo down, but what are they saying about you
after you leave the restaurant?

Why should he worry about what someone says about him after he's left?
If they wish to talk badly about a customer and don't have enough
backbone to do so in front of the person they're speaking about, then
to hell with them. Again, they didn't pay for the meal.

Good luck to all of you, but come on, lets not get all weird about
what is ok for a person to eat when they are paying for it and being
polite.
By your displayed attitude, I would say that you would be seen, not as 'gai
jin', but as 'nanban', and would be laughed at after you left.

I couldn't care less what some low life says about me behind my back.
You obviously do. As for the Japanese name calling, I'll keep mine in
English for you; You sound like an asshole. A conceited asshole. Clear
enough for you?

I would not
care to be your companion at a sushiya or anywhere else for that matter.

On Jan 7, 5:01*pm, "Musashi" wrote:
"Warren" wrote in message

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Wilson wrote:
sometime in the recent past John Doe posted this:
On Jan 7, 9:33 am, Wilson wrote:
sometime in the recent past Nick Cramer posted this:

John Doe wrote:
On Jan 3, 9:47=A0pm, wrote:
[ . . . ]
Food is meant to be enjoyed, whatever your tastes.
If you like Tabasco on your Ikura with a side of coleslaw, and it's
available at the place you're eating, then eat it and enjoy it!
This fanaticism about making sure someone else likes what you eat is
crazy.
As long as you're polite, do not make other diners unhappy because of
your behavior and you enjoy the food as you like it prepared, go for
it.
Agreed.
If someone else makes a comment about how you like your food, then
tell them to mind their own business and enjoy their food the way
they
like it and leave you alone.
Perhaps thanking them for their interest and then ignoring them would
be
more polite (see above).

Sorry pal, polite went out the door as soon as someone is rude enough
to talk to me about how I should eat my food. As with your smart ass
comments later, I don't mince words either.

Watching someone else eat their food at another table is considered
rude. If someone does this to you, ignore them and enjoy what you've
paid for.
If you don't like mayo on anything, then instruct the chef to NOT put
it on anything he serves you.
Requesting, rather than instructing, might pay higher dividends.

When I'm paying for it, the chef makes what I like. I'm not
requesting, I'm instructing. Since you seem to be worried more about
what someone thinks of you after you leave, I understand that you're
actually scared to tell the chef how to make your food. Hell, let him
make it the way HE likes it. That way, he won't laugh at you later.

By this advice, I don't mean for you to pull out a jug of kimche and
pour it over your meal. If kimche is offered and you like it on your
rolls, then ask for it to be put into your rolls. It's your meal, not
anyone else's.
As for "Traditional" or not....who cares? I eat what I enjoy. I don't
eat what I don't enjoy.
Unless you're eating your sushi while standing at a cart in the
street, then you're really NOT being truly "Traditional" if you want
to go back far enough. Let's not be silly folks.
I certainly don't mean to insult anyone, but if someone were to tell
someone how to eat their food, then they better be paying for it and
talking to their own children.
Yes, there are limits. Polite. Not making a big scene. Common
everyday
politeness.
I've been eating sushi for 30 years. Don't tell me how to eat my
food.
I'll eat it as I like to within reason.
I don't care what scale the place is. Unless the chef is paying for
my
meal, I'll eat what I feel like eating and he'll make it the way I
tell him to make it or I'll simply go elsewhere.
I'll tell the Itamae, "Onigaishimas'", 'whatever I want'. Regarding
how I
want it, I'll say, "Kudasai." I'm aware that I'm an honored guest and
there's no need for me to wave my katana to get good service.

What a crock of bull. I'm no guest in a restaurant. I'm a paying
customer. When I speak to a chef in an American restaurant, I'll speak
English, not Japanese. Big deal, you know a few words in Japanese. You
think that makes people respect you? Wrong.

In those 30 years, not a single person has ever told me that I was
eating my sushi wrong with the exception of a very impolite waitress
who told me to use chops instead of using my fingers for pieces of a
roll. I told her in short order to mind her own business and go away.
The manager of the place agreed with me.
Perhaps she was just trying to be helpful. You might have thanked her,
continued as you were, and not put her job in jeopardy.

Some waitress comes to my table and tells me that the perfectly
respectful manner in which I eat isn't ok with her? Give me a break.
Maybe she'll actually be better at her new job flipping burgers.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and take John Doe at face value and
agree that his waitress was rude and not simply trying to be helpful.

Her "helpful" was rude. I don't care if she was trying to be or not.
She can go practice on someone who isn't paying $50+ bucks for the
meal. I'm not an instructor, I'm a customer.

Have to ask you, Nick, if you back doesn't hurt bending over
backwards like that to defend someone you don't know in a
situation you weren't involved in. Gaijin or nanban, you appear to
have some of the lingo down, but what are they saying about you
after you leave the restaurant?

Why should he worry about what someone says about him after he's left?
If they wish to talk badly about a customer and don't have enough
backbone to do so in front of the person they're speaking about, then
to hell with them. Again, they didn't pay for the meal.

Good luck to all of you, but come on, lets not get all weird about
what is ok for a person to eat when they are paying for it and being
polite.
By your displayed attitude, I would say that you would be seen, not as
'gai
jin', but as 'nanban', and would be laughed at after you left.

I couldn't care less what some low life says about me behind my back.
You obviously do. As for the Japanese name calling, I'll keep mine in
English for you; You sound like an asshole. A conceited asshole. Clear
enough for you?

I would not
care to be your companion at a sushiya or anywhere else for that
matter.

That's a good thing. I don't hang out with conceited assholes such as
yourself. I can just see the type of people you hang with. Other
snobs. You're not Japanese. You're a phony trying to impress someone.
Here's a clue for you, asshole, you haven't impressed anyone with your
cheap shot bullshit.

(My 2 cents)
Overvalued!

Not at all. It's an opinion. You think yours is more valued by whom?

I see we're going to mince words just as finely in '08 as in '07. lol

I don't mince words either. You don't know me. However, after your
little minded rant, I know you. I've met many of you. If it rains,
you'll drown unless you get your nose out of the air.

Another sushi snob that isn't even Japanese. You're a joke.

John Doe, you have mixed up my post and Nick's post together if that
makes any difference. I was trying to support your position ;-)

FOOD FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Although having little to do with the issues or the conflict, the word
"Nanban" originally meaning
"barbarian from the south" and eventually "foreign barbarian", hasn't been
used that way
for about 300 years. Today if you say "Nanban" you'd be talking about food..
Chikin Nanban (a type of fried chicken) or Nanban Zuke
(Fish deep fried and served with a vinegar sauce). Undoubtedly both dishes
had their
origins in the dishes brought to Japan by the Portugese in the 1500s.
Today the word for calling someone barbaric is Yaban and a Barbarian is a
Yabanjin.
Musashi-

So I guess he's trying to tell me either I'm fried or a Barbarian.

Those would be two of the nicer things I've been called in my life. I
guess I should be thanking him.

In fact, I do feel better about myself. I've spoken my mind clearly.
Even an idiot would understand.

Very interesting as always, Musashi.

Pardon me if I created any typos. I'm fried.

On Jan 7, 1:50*pm, Nick Cramer wrote:

I wasn't so much defending her as suggesting a possibly more gentle way of
dealing with the situation. I have a little bit of the lingo down, having
studied the Japanese language and culture for 45 years, during which I also
practiced Japanese martial arts, in which setting, my Sensei taught me much
about decent behavior for a warrior. I am content with the friendship I
have with the Itamae at my favorite Sushiya.

I understand perfectly what you think was the situation. However, the
small amount of information I gave you about the situation says
nothing about her tone, which was loud and rude; her expression, which
had condensation written all over it. In a stranger on the street, I
may have ignored it, but with a professional waitress who is serving a
selection of food with historic value as a cultural tradition, I find
it as insulting as I would if she had just farted in my face.

If you indeed understand Japanese history and culture, then you'll
know that not that long ago she might have gotten beaten or put to
death with her insult.

Today is a different set of rules. We cannot beat or kill a person for
insult. Civilized people were much more polite then as compared to
now. They had a real reason to be.

Even though I think you came off like an asshole when replying to me,
I know that was the American side of your intellect and not the
Japanese. As you know, it's few Japanese that would speak as you did
in reply to me. You make my culture embarrassed for you.

Politeness isn't something to be learned about *other* people. It's
something to be, so that other people learn about you.

Now I'll apologize to you for being so blunt in answer to you.

John Doe wrote:
On Jan 7, 1:50=A0pm, Nick Cramer wrote:
[ . . . ]

Now I'll apologize to you for being so blunt in answer to you.

Apology accepted. I apologize to you for my lack of understanding and
coming off like an arrogant sushi snob.

I'll be out of town 'til 25 Jan. CU all then.

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