On Sunday, July 10, 2005, at 08:54 PM, Brian Mailman wrote:

Will wrote:

Just so everyone understands what happened here. Brian's ISP
automatically puts his personal addy in the "reply to" line with the
RFS group.

No, there's a Reply and a Reply To: for newsgroups. A proper
newsreader, and not a clumsy web interface should be able to
distinguish
between the two and send a "reply" to the group.


So when I click reply, my Mac software which seems quite able to lay
out threads and perform newsgroup functions puts your address in the
return. Why? Because your address is in the reply-to line. I am not
responding to the "from" line. So it would seem to me that if you don't
want dup's in your world, you would figure out how to get your address
out of the reply to line. I am not putting your address there, you are.
Or, as you argue, your ISP is. My ISP, even in backwards Wisconsin,
doesn't seem to do that. In fact as I look over most of the posters
here, their ISPs don't do that either.


One solution (better than killfile threats

It was a not a threat, it was a warning. I've asked you to stop it
twice now, apparently this time I finally got your attention. Would
you
have preferred to just have your possibly-in-the-future relevantly
off-group private replies to me just disappear and wonder why I never
responded?


You do indeed have my attention. The first time this happened, I
checked my log and saw that I had replied to the appropriate addresses
in the "reply-to" line. This seemed legitimate.

and easier than changing
ISP's) is to use a hotmail, gmail or yahoo mail account for list
correspondence if you have this addy situation with your ISP.

I don't have an 'addy situation' with my ISP. I have an issue with you
sending duplicate messages.


Sure you do. You don't want duplicate posts and you cannot keep your
reply-to line clean. Telling me I need software is bogus. My posts
don't put me in the reply-to line. Nor does the software of any other
poster here that I can tell.


I don't read "a list" here. This is a Usenet Newsgroup and a different
animal than a mailing list (although it would seem someone gated the
group to a mailing list at one point). Rather than _me_ changing _my_
address for _your_ preferences, I think it would be easier to you to
start using a real News client. If cost is an issue, there are many
free ones available (I'm using one such if you look in my headers).


This is jargon and not relevant. My news client is fine. You need to
get your personal address out of the picture. Placing your address in
the "reply-to" line for Usenet correspondence is your choice. But as I
requested off-list: kill file me. As I opined on-list, use a surrogate
address. Many posters do.

Will

Will wrote:

On Sunday, July 10, 2005, at 08:54 PM, Brian Mailman wrote:

Will wrote:

Just so everyone understands what happened here. Brian's ISP
automatically puts his personal addy in the "reply to" line with the
RFS group.

No, there's a Reply and a Reply To: for newsgroups. A proper
newsreader, and not a clumsy web interface should be able to
distinguish between the two and send a "reply" to the group.

... I am not putting your address there, you are.

If your "client" misreads how to format a reply, that's not my
responsibility.

You're being careless and lazy not to look at where you're sending. I'm
not responsible for whatever *your* composition is.

and easier than changing
ISP's) is to use a hotmail, gmail or yahoo mail account for list
correspondence if you have this addy situation with your ISP.

I don't have an 'addy situation' with my ISP. I have an issue with you
sending duplicate messages.


Sure you do. You don't want duplicate posts and you cannot keep your
reply-to line clean. Telling me I need software is bogus.

It's *your* sending, not mine. Telling me I have to change my receiving
to suit your bad habits is... as you say, "bogus." I might as well tell
you the solutin is for YOU to killfile me so you're not tempted to send
duplicates since you can't control yourself.

... My news client is fine.

No, it isn't. Apparently, it doesn't even thread properly. No one else
seems to have this problem of being unable to distinguish between a
private and a public reply that you do, or to be in such a rush to post
that they can't check where they are sending.

It's your "client," your sending, your composition. Your
responsibility; I'm just telling you the consequences of what will
happen if you don't take it.

B/

Brian,

This is what I receive...

From: Brian Mailman
Date: Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:38:55 PM US/Central
To:
Subject: Tortillas and killfiles
Reply-To: , A ported usenet news group


And my OSX software is supposed to know that you really didn't mean
this reply to? I guess those application developers were shit weren't
they?

Let's blame them too.

Will Waller wrote:

Brian,

This is what I receive...

From: Brian Mailman
Date: Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:38:55 PM US/Central
To:
Subject: Tortillas and killfiles
Reply-To: , A ported usenet news group




I hadn't realized Will was one of the subscribers to my ported news
group. I'll look at settings to see if we can take care of the
excessive reply to.

Mike

Authentic Mexican Tortillas are made of corn. Even at the larger
grocery stores in mexico they have a little Tortilla factory, and they
only make corn tortillas. They are very simple to make, and have two
ingredients: A corn flour called Masa Harena (Sp?) and water mixed to
make a stiff, but still slightly wet dough which is cooked on a very
very hot griddle for about 30 seconds a side.

"Matt" wrote in message
oups.com...
Authentic Mexican Tortillas are made of corn. Even at the larger
Yes. I knew/know that. Sadly, I don't care much for the corn tortillas.
I'll eat 'em, but I won't go out of my way to ask for 'em.

I've had lots of flour tortillas in all kinds of Mexican "hole-in-the-wall"
type places (my favorites), and like 'em all. Now, if only I could make 'em
and have 'em taste like the ones I buy... So far, no joy!

My quest for a SD recipe was only because the vast majority of the recipes
I'd found used baking powder. I knew that wasn't very historically
accurate, and apparently wrongly assumed that it was a recent innovation.
I've not yet made the Diana Kennedy recipe, w/o leavening, that Hal posted.
Maybe tonight...

Given that I have a batch of my experimental SD based tortilla dough
festering in the oven at the moment, making 'em both ways tonight might be
an interesting comparison...


Dusty
....

Mike Avery wrote:

... my ported [gated to a mailing list] news group. I'll look at
settings
to see if we can take care of the excessive reply to.

Thanks, Mike. If you have issues with that, you can ask in
news:news.newusers.questions (it's not a 'new user' question but those
folks are quite friendly and are technically adept) or write to me
privately and I can find out how other gates are constructed to avoid that.

B/

Mike Avery wrote:

Will Waller wrote:

Brian,

This is what I receive...

From: Brian Mailman
Date: Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:38:55 PM US/Central
To:
Subject: Tortillas and killfiles
Reply-To: , A ported usenet news group




I hadn't realized Will was one of the subscribers to my ported news
group. I'll look at settings to see if we can take care of the
excessive reply to.

Mike

I receive the same thing that Will does. And I am
not a subscriber to your ported newsgroup.

--
~) Love & Peace Ed B.


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