With regard to Marylouise's comments about various comments, in message ps.com...

I would, though I was not asked, venture this opinion:

Some things that are easy or possible with commercial bread
ovens are difficult or impossible with the ovens that come with
cookstoves designed for home use.

A whole lot of the stuff about which big bake books are written
concerns trying to fool homecooked bread into believing that it
is cooked in a commercial baking oven.

It is possible to make pretty good bread in a home oven
without the bake-book tricks. For instance, you can simply
make dough, let it rise, bake it, slice it, and eat it.

(Well, making the dough right, and keeping it from drying when
rising, are important. And freezing it is good when you cannot
eat it all right away.)

You can bake it from a cold start without "steaming", whatever
that should mean. (That is worth mentioning because, directly
or indirectly, it reduces dependence in imported fuels.) No reason
for not baking in bread pans, but cookie sheets are good, too
(even for pizza).

One does not need to know what has been said or written by
Julia Child, Jeffrey Hamelman, Steve Sullivan, Peter Reinhart,
or even know what Mike Avery says about what all those folks
say. One can make pretty good SD bread without even reading
the SD FAQs.

But I will allow that, for people who would rather read than
bake, there is plenty of stuff.

--
Dicky

Dick Adams wrote:
> "Charles Perry" > wrote in message news >
>
>>My Irish Grandmother knew to prove or "proof" the yeast to make
>>sure that it was good before making the dough because she sure was not
>>going to waste any flour with bad yeast.
>
>
> Yes, it makes sense to confirm the activity of yeast before baking with
> it. But *proof* is a noun. Using it as a verb is incorrect. Wrong!
>
> Wrong, wrong, wrong!!!
>
>
>> She just let her bread dough *rise* before baking.
>
>
> Did she *punch it down* and or *shape it* so as to separate autolyses
> from fermentations from 1st proofs from 2nd proofs, and so forth, including
> retardations.
>
>
>>She knew that Incubators were for the chicken or duck eggs, not
>>kitchen equipment.
>
>
> She did not know everything! Were she alive today she would be
> shocked to find that incubators are incubating all kinds of things,
> including abominations.
>
>
>>My minimal cover for rising bread dough is a plastic bag that I get
>>for free from the grocery store.
>
>
> That is admirably frugal.
>
> But, did you know, if you use a turkey bag, you can go ahead and bake
> in it. Joan Ross mentioned that possibility long ago when she was young.
>
> Well, turkey bags are not free. But they are cheap, compared to legitimate
> cloches.
>
> --
> Dicky
Gee, in Canada "proof" is a verb as well as a noun. It is too bad that
those in your U.S. are deprived of the verb.
Ellen

"ellen wickberg" > wrote in message news:JSIff.538482$tl2.232998@pd7tw3no...

> Gee, in Canada "proof" is a verb as well as a noun. It is too bad that
> those in your U.S. are deprived of the verb.

We have free speach. We can use words in any way that we want.
Even our President can do that.

There's a difference between 'use' and 'abuse'.

- Steve Brandt

"Dick Adams" > wrote in message
...

We have free speach. We can use words in any way that we want.
Even our President can do that.

"We have free speach. We can use words in any way that we want.
Even our President can do that."


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