I'm just curious to find out how many professional bread bakers read
and/or contribute to this message board. Not to imply that professional
bakers are in any way more knowledgable than the home bread bakers who
frequently post here.
In fact, I don't know a single professional who knows even half as much
as some of the posters here. I just want to know if this message board still
has some of the pros who used to post here a few years back.

Trevor

"Trevor J. Wilson" wrote in message=20
ink.net...

I'm just curious to find out how many professional bread bakers read=20
and/or contribute to this message board.

Baking is a trade, not a profession, or, to most of us, a hobby. The=20
professions are law, clergy, and medicine, and, colloquially, =
prostitution.
It is true that crooks, politicians, and many others today consider =
themselves
to be "professionals". Just goes to show how low the language has sunk.

... In fact, I don't know a single professional who knows even half as =
much=20
as some of the posters here.=20

You seem conflicted.

I just want to know if this message board still has some of the pros =
who=20
used to post here a few years back.

Mention some -- we'll try to dig them up.

--
DickA

"Trevor J. Wilson" wrote in message=20
ink.net...

I'm just curious to find out how many professional bread bakers read=20
and/or contribute to this message board.

Baking is a trade, not a profession, or, to most of us, a hobby. The=20
professions are law, clergy, and medicine, and, colloquially, =
prostitution.
It is true that crooks, politicians, and many others today consider =
themselves
to be "professionals". Just goes to show how low the language has sunk.

... In fact, I don't know a single professional who knows even half as =
much=20
as some of the posters here.=20

You seem conflicted.

I just want to know if this message board still has some of the pros =
who=20
used to post here a few years back.

Mention some -- we'll try to dig them up.

--
DickA

Baking is a trade, not a profession, or, to most of us, a hobby. The=20
professions are law, clergy, and medicine, and, colloquially, =
prostitution.
It is true that crooks, politicians, and many others today consider =
themselves
to be "professionals". Just goes to show how low the language has sunk.


The only difference between the "professions" and "trades" is that
professionals have "clients" and tradesmen have "customers".

Oh, and Doctors, Clergy and Lawyers have strong, legally empowered ruling
bodies to protect them from their own incompetence.

John

Baking is a trade, not a profession, or, to most of us, a hobby. The=20
professions are law, clergy, and medicine, and, colloquially, =
prostitution.
It is true that crooks, politicians, and many others today consider =
themselves
to be "professionals". Just goes to show how low the language has sunk.


The only difference between the "professions" and "trades" is that
professionals have "clients" and tradesmen have "customers".

Oh, and Doctors, Clergy and Lawyers have strong, legally empowered ruling
bodies to protect them from their own incompetence.

John

Baking is a trade, not a profession, or, to most of us, a hobby. The=20
professions are law, clergy, and medicine, and, colloquially, =
prostitution.
It is true that crooks, politicians, and many others today consider =
themselves
to be "professionals". Just goes to show how low the language has sunk.


The only difference between the "professions" and "trades" is that
professionals have "clients" and tradesmen have "customers".

Oh, and Doctors, Clergy and Lawyers have strong, legally empowered ruling
bodies to protect them from their own incompetence.

John

"Wcsjohn" wrote in message
...

Baking is a trade, not a profession, or, to most of us, a hobby. The=20
professions are law, clergy, and medicine, and, colloquially, =
prostitution.
It is true that crooks, politicians, and many others today consider =
themselves
to be "professionals". Just goes to show how low the language has sunk.


The only difference between the "professions" and "trades" is that
professionals have "clients" and tradesmen have "customers".

Oh, and Doctors, Clergy and Lawyers have strong, legally empowered ruling
bodies to protect them from their own incompetence.

John

I read that another way to denote the differences is that in defining a
profession, there must be an element of fear;-)
Graham

"Wcsjohn" wrote in message
...

Baking is a trade, not a profession, or, to most of us, a hobby. The=20
professions are law, clergy, and medicine, and, colloquially, =
prostitution.
It is true that crooks, politicians, and many others today consider =
themselves
to be "professionals". Just goes to show how low the language has sunk.


The only difference between the "professions" and "trades" is that
professionals have "clients" and tradesmen have "customers".

Oh, and Doctors, Clergy and Lawyers have strong, legally empowered ruling
bodies to protect them from their own incompetence.

John

I read that another way to denote the differences is that in defining a
profession, there must be an element of fear;-)
Graham

Dick Adams wrote:

"Trevor J. Wilson" wrote in message
ink.net...

I'm just curious to find out how many professional bread bakers read
and/or contribute to this message board.

Baking is a trade, not a profession, or, to most of us, a hobby. The
professions are law, clergy, and medicine, and, colloquially, prostitution.

The four trad professions are (not in any order) law, clergy, medicine,
and the military. Mostly reserved for the "spare heir" and other
siblings. But yes, Dick is right that all other commercial pursuits are
'trade.'

B/

Dick Adams wrote:

"Trevor J. Wilson" wrote in message
ink.net...

I'm just curious to find out how many professional bread bakers read
and/or contribute to this message board.

Baking is a trade, not a profession, or, to most of us, a hobby. The
professions are law, clergy, and medicine, and, colloquially, prostitution.

The four trad professions are (not in any order) law, clergy, medicine,
and the military. Mostly reserved for the "spare heir" and other
siblings. But yes, Dick is right that all other commercial pursuits are
'trade.'

B/

Dick Adams wrote:

Baking is a trade, not a profession, or, to most of us, a hobby. The
professions are law, clergy, and medicine, and, colloquially, prostitution.

You are correct in the traditional usage of the words. However,
under the wage and hour laws and the Government EOP
clasifications, a baker may be a tradesman or an exempt
professional depending on duties and salary.

On your point, I paid thousands of dollars in retroactive
overtime to my head baker who considered himself a professional
and had taken it upon himself to start work early and not mention
it to anyone. Well personally he was as professional as you can
be in the food busines, but not by the wage and hour law.

The traditional usage has not only been corrupted by the law
itself, but also by misuse by people who, for a variety of
unsavory reasons can not call a janitor a janitor or, worse yet,
call every french fry machine tender, sandwich wrapper and burger
flipper a "chef" It is apalling.

Regards,

Charles


--
Charles Perry
Reply to:

** A balanced diet is a cookie in each hand **

Dick Adams wrote:

Baking is a trade, not a profession, or, to most of us, a hobby. The
professions are law, clergy, and medicine, and, colloquially, prostitution.

You are correct in the traditional usage of the words. However,
under the wage and hour laws and the Government EOP
clasifications, a baker may be a tradesman or an exempt
professional depending on duties and salary.

On your point, I paid thousands of dollars in retroactive
overtime to my head baker who considered himself a professional
and had taken it upon himself to start work early and not mention
it to anyone. Well personally he was as professional as you can
be in the food busines, but not by the wage and hour law.

The traditional usage has not only been corrupted by the law
itself, but also by misuse by people who, for a variety of
unsavory reasons can not call a janitor a janitor or, worse yet,
call every french fry machine tender, sandwich wrapper and burger
flipper a "chef" It is apalling.

Regards,

Charles


--
Charles Perry
Reply to:

** A balanced diet is a cookie in each hand **

Well! I'll try to keep all that in mind next time the subject of "trades"
vs. "professions" comes up.

Trevor

"Charles Perry" wrote in message
...


Dick Adams wrote:

Baking is a trade, not a profession, or, to most of us, a hobby. The
professions are law, clergy, and medicine, and, colloquially,
prostitution.

You are correct in the traditional usage of the words. However,
under the wage and hour laws and the Government EOP
clasifications, a baker may be a tradesman or an exempt
professional depending on duties and salary.

On your point, I paid thousands of dollars in retroactive
overtime to my head baker who considered himself a professional
and had taken it upon himself to start work early and not mention
it to anyone. Well personally he was as professional as you can
be in the food busines, but not by the wage and hour law.

The traditional usage has not only been corrupted by the law
itself, but also by misuse by people who, for a variety of
unsavory reasons can not call a janitor a janitor or, worse yet,
call every french fry machine tender, sandwich wrapper and burger
flipper a "chef" It is apalling.

Regards,

Charles


--
Charles Perry
Reply to:

** A balanced diet is a cookie in each hand **

Well! I'll try to keep all that in mind next time the subject of "trades"
vs. "professions" comes up.

Trevor

"Charles Perry" wrote in message
...


Dick Adams wrote:

Baking is a trade, not a profession, or, to most of us, a hobby. The
professions are law, clergy, and medicine, and, colloquially,
prostitution.

You are correct in the traditional usage of the words. However,
under the wage and hour laws and the Government EOP
clasifications, a baker may be a tradesman or an exempt
professional depending on duties and salary.

On your point, I paid thousands of dollars in retroactive
overtime to my head baker who considered himself a professional
and had taken it upon himself to start work early and not mention
it to anyone. Well personally he was as professional as you can
be in the food busines, but not by the wage and hour law.

The traditional usage has not only been corrupted by the law
itself, but also by misuse by people who, for a variety of
unsavory reasons can not call a janitor a janitor or, worse yet,
call every french fry machine tender, sandwich wrapper and burger
flipper a "chef" It is apalling.

Regards,

Charles


--
Charles Perry
Reply to:

** A balanced diet is a cookie in each hand **

Charles Perry wrote:

Dick Adams wrote:

Baking is a trade, not a profession, or, to most of us, a hobby. The
professions are law, clergy, and medicine, and, colloquially, prostitution.


You are correct in the traditional usage of the words. However,
under the wage and hour laws and the Government EOP
clasifications, a baker may be a tradesman or an exempt
professional depending on duties and salary.

On your point, I paid thousands of dollars in retroactive
overtime to my head baker who considered himself a professional
and had taken it upon himself to start work early and not mention
it to anyone. Well personally he was as professional as you can
be in the food busines, but not by the wage and hour law.

The traditional usage has not only been corrupted by the law
itself, but also by misuse by people who, for a variety of
unsavory reasons can not call a janitor a janitor or, worse yet,
call every french fry machine tender, sandwich wrapper and burger
flipper a "chef" It is apalling.

Regards,

Charles


Not to mention the number of people who have the audacity to call
themselves business owners.
--
Alan

"I don't think you can win the war on terror."

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