This noosgroop has strangled itself in its own stoopidity.

I always knew it would happen.

Didn't I tell you it would?

--
Dicky

P.S. And it wasn't just the nOObies that done it.

On Apr 18, 11:22 am, "Dick Adams" wrote:
This noosgroop has strangled itself in its own stoopidity.

I always knew it would happen.

Didn't I tell you it would?

--
Dicky

P.S. And it wasn't just the nOObies that done it.


Dicky... it's not that bad. Look at the bright side, we have lots of
bright new members now. Watches, purses and shoes are hot topics.

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:22:12 +0000, Dick Adams wrote:

This noosgroop has strangled itself in its own stoopidity.


My newsreader only downloads new headers automatically and leaves me to
flag for the next download the bodies of messages that I want to read, I
am therefore not in a position to comment on this assessment.

However, here is a suggestion:

Instead of making periodic postings of a referece to the sourdough FAQ (my
copy of the FAQ dates from the 1990s) how about having a periodic posting
that gives beginners/novices some clues on how to do a Google search on
past topics that scored entries in "rec.food.sourdough"?

There is often more recent info on the topics covered in the FAQs -

Ron's latest postings on "65 C bread" - which thows a new light on baking
breads that include a soaker - is an example.

By following up his reference to "Bruehstueck, I ended up at:

http://isernhaeger.de/picts/1130939397/AromaStueck.pdf

which had real information (on page 2) that can readily be adapted to my
current bread-bake routine. The ability to read German is a distinct
advantage.

Felix Karpfen



--
Felix Karpfen
Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA)

Felix Karpfen wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:22:12 +0000, Dick Adams wrote:

This noosgroop has strangled itself in its own stoopidity.


My newsreader only downloads new headers automatically and leaves me to
flag for the next download the bodies of messages that I want to read, I
am therefore not in a position to comment on this assessment.

However, here is a suggestion:

Instead of making periodic postings of a referece to the sourdough FAQ (my
copy of the FAQ dates from the 1990s) how about having a periodic posting
that gives beginners/novices some clues on how to do a Google search on
past topics that scored entries in "rec.food.sourdough"?

There is often more recent info on the topics covered in the FAQs -

Ron's latest postings on "65 C bread" - which thows a new light on baking
breads that include a soaker - is an example.

By following up his reference to "Bruehstueck, I ended up at:

http://isernhaeger.de/picts/1130939397/AromaStueck.pdf

which had real information (on page 2) that can readily be adapted to my
current bread-bake routine. The ability to read German is a distinct
advantage.

Felix Karpfen



One 'Major' problem with that is the 'regulars' who post here say that
the 'FAQ' is just plain wrong whenever the 'FAQ' gets quoted here as a
reference for an interpretation of something as simple as a 'term' used
for sourdough stages. They can offer 'no' corrections though.....

The 'regulars' say the FAQ is BS.

The rest of, or the same 'regulars' attack every freaking post made to
this Usenet Newsgroup, they seem to have serious issues with the term
'bully'!

Likely they were all picked on really bad back in grade school, so now
figure as anonymous assholes they can get back at the mean old world in
their old age by picking on new posters. No matter how senile or drugged
out of their skulls they have become.....

Too bad too. Some of them do have valuable information, but if they
aren't taken seriously because they are bullies or 'trolls', their
information is garbage.

Mike
Some bread photos: http://www.mikeromain.shutterfly.com

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:08:41 -0400, Mike Romain wrote:

Felix Karpfen wrote:


My newsreader only downloads new headers automatically and leaves me to
flag for the next download the bodies of messages that I want to read,



The rest of, or the same 'regulars' attack every freaking post made to
this Usenet Newsgroup, they seem to have serious issues with the term
'bully'!

Likely they were all picked on really bad back in grade school,

As mentioned in my original posting, my newsreader allows me to select the
message-bodies that I download (and read).

It looks as though I have been very lucky in my selections. Most of the
material - making allowance for some colourful language - has been very
helpful. And the queries that I posted have - so far- escaped the wrath of
the bullies.

But drawing repeated attention to an FAQ that fails to recognise the
experiences of the past ten years seemed an odd way to encourage new
arrivals to sourdough baking.

Felix Karpfen

--
Felix Karpfen
Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA)

"Felix Karpfen" wrote in message ...
... drawing repeated attention to an FAQ that fails to recognize the
experiences of the past ten years seemed an odd way to encourage new
arrivals to sourdough baking.

Who is doing that (drawing repeated attention to some FAQ)?
Which FAQ do you have in mind?
http://www.nyx.net/~dgreenw/sourdoughfaqs.html
http://www.nyx.net/~dgreenw/sourdoughqa.html
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-gro.../recipes/part2
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-gro.../recipes/part2
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-gro...dough/starters
or some other?

Until recently, some FAQ's, or links to FAQ's, were posted here periodically.
I think the person who posted them is still out there. If there is any continuing
interest, I think he would be glad to know it. In particular, if you, Felix Karpen,
or anybody else, would like create a review or index of important posts and other
critical sourdough information that have not yet been incorporated into the FAQs,
the FAQmeister would like to append it to existing FAQs. Otherwise you might
consider creating a more modern set of FAQs elsewhere. You might even want
to become the keeper of the FAQs, because I suspect that the one we got is
getting pretty disenchanted with this newsgroup.

Now, as far as the "new arrivals to sourdough baking" are concerned, who you think
should be encouraged, the big trouble with the buggers is that basically they are
here to see their own writing in the sky and quibble with their little buddies about
all kinds of off-topic stuff. The suspicion that there is a sourdough past just does
not creep in. So that is basically what gets our fannies out, us big bullies.

--
Dicky

P.S. Oh, yeah ... and don't forget my page about Crock Pot Pumpernickel --
that should be mentioned in the FAQs:
http://www.prettycolors.com/bread_culture/humperdickel/

Hi Felix,

I understand what you mean about the FAQ, but I’ve found it a very
helpful foundation on which to build my personal experience of
sourdough. Yes it is often contradictory and confusing but then so is
any subject when one first looks at it in text. Imagine if instead of
maps all you had to describe the world was text. One part of that text
might say ‘New York, in the West, can be reached from London, UK by
flying North up the UK across the Atlantic and down past the coast of
Canada and past Newfoundland.’ Then later on it says, I eventually
arrived in New York after flying South East from London to Singapore
before continuing on to Hong Kong, San Francisco and finally arriving
in JFK, New York. Might that not sound a little confusing at first to
someone with no prior knowledge of Geography?

Yes I realise the FAQ is at times more convoluted and confusing than
that.

Your questions have been treated with respect because they were, no
doubt, written with humility and respect. Bullying first requires an
imbalance of power, the week and the strong, then the desire on behalf
of the strong to abuse that power to inappropriately control or abuse
the week.

Is it inappropriate control to give advice to another person in a news
group? Is it inappropriate control to suggest to another member of the
news group to take it easy, relax and don’t take what’s said so
personally?

Of course if a person feels he is being controlled against his will he
will feel he has been bullied. But can a person be bullied where there
is no power? Well yes someone could give power to another but if that
‘power’ is given freely can you then accuse the ‘empowered’ of
bullying? Wouldn’t that be like accusing a dominatrix of bullying her
client?

You saw no bullying Felix because you were happy and content to accept
the replies you asked for.

To be perfectly frank I think to band around the term 'bully' in a
news group for adults is an abominable insult to those that experience
real mental and physical abuse at the hands of those with real power
to control and dominate their victims.

No one has any real powers here therefore there can be no bullying
except as some masochistic fantasy on behalf of those claiming to have
suffered.

Jim


On 21 Apr, 22:17, Felix Karpfen wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:08:41 -0400, Mike Romain wrote:
...
It looks as though I have been very lucky in my selections. Most of the
material - making allowance for some colourful language - has been very
helpful. And the queries that I posted have - so far- escaped the wrath of
the bullies.

But drawing repeated attention to an FAQ that fails to recognise the
experiences of the past ten years seemed an odd way to encourage new
arrivals to sourdough baking.

Felix Karpfen

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:03:44 +0000, Dick Adams wrote:

"Felix Karpfen" wrote in message ...

... drawing repeated attention to an FAQ that fails to recognize the
experiences of the past ten years seemed an odd way to encourage new
arrivals to sourdough baking.

Who is doing that (drawing repeated attention to some FAQ)?
Which FAQ do you have in mind?
http://www.nyx.net/~dgreenw/sourdoughfaqs.html
http://www.nyx.net/~dgreenw/sourdoughqa.html
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-gro.../recipes/part2
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-gro.../recipes/part2
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-gro...dough/starters
or some other?

Until recently, some FAQ's, or links to FAQ's, were posted here periodically.
I think the person who posted them is still out there. If there is any continuing
interest, I think he would be glad to know it.

And maybe my suggestion should have been posted to directly to the sender.

I did not wish to comment on the value of the above FAQs.
My sourdough baking experience is too limited and I continue to derive
help from the information that the FAQs contain.

But, a guided tour through the search features of Google Groups would help
some new arrivals to find additional information in the archives of
rec.food.sourdough.

I also cited some recent postings from Ron on "65 C Bread" that had
helpful links and were news to me. So there still are some posters who do
not just want to see their name in print.

Felix Karpfen

--
Felix Karpfen
Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA)

"Felix Karpfen" wrote in message ...

... a guided tour through the search features of Google Groups would help
some new arrivals to find additional information in the archives of
rec.food.sourdough ....

Every now and then I have included a URL (link) in a post, sometimes to
an r.f.s. message or thread archived at Google. The impression I get is that
not everybody knows what to do with a link. If they did, they would, for
instance, not requote all the stuff that could be brought back by clicking
on a messages news ID.

My thought is that anybody who cannot figure out what to do at
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search probably does not have
smarts enough to make bread anyway.

I'm with you on that Dick, how hard can it be to click in a box that
says 'Search this group' next to it? If that needs explaining then,
really, any info they might find will be lost on them for sure. I know
I've tried helping people in other groups; Jeepers, it's like pulling
teeth, you might as well tell them to go to the shop. I don't think
some of them can even read.

Jim

On 23 Apr, 05:50, "Dick Adams" bada...net wrote:
"Felix Karpfen"
... back by clicking
on a messages news ID.

My thought is that anybody who cannot figure out what to do athttp://groups.google.com/advanced_searchprobably does not have
smarts enough to make bread anyway.

Hi Felix,

well this being a news group it's free to anyone to voice there
thoughts, sourdough related or not, but unless you claim to be
clairvoyant you don't know their reasons for posting, so you can't say
it's 'just to see their name in print'. Whatever it is they feel a
need to post just as you did. Your post isn't strictly about
sourdough, it's about the FAQ, now the posters motivation.

Jim

On 22 Apr, 22:21, Felix Karpfen wrote:
....
I also cited some recent postings from Ron on "65 C Bread" that had
helpful links and were news to me. *So there still are some posters who do
not just want to see their name in print.

Felix Karpfen
...