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the punch down (or lack thereof)



 
 
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Old 12-10-2003, 04:00 PM
matt s
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Greetings,

After quite a bit of reading around, I have yet to find a full
explanation of why so many sourdough recipes do not call for degassing
the initial bulk fermented dough and allowing a second rise, before
dividing and shaping (as is typical for direct, commercially yeasted
methods)?

I am not sure if this is because the longer typical rise time for
sourdough already allows for both the development of flavor and gluten
(that a second, shorter rise, helps to do in direct, commercially
yeasted dough), or whether there is some other explanation.

Possible disadvantages to a second-rise before dividing and shaping?

Thanks for the help...
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Old 12-10-2003, 04:23 PM
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"matt s" wrote in message=20
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After quite a bit of reading around, I have yet to find a full
explanation of why so many sourdough recipes do not call for degassing
the initial bulk fermented dough and allowing a second rise, before
dividing and shaping (as is typical for direct, commercially yeasted
methods)?


There was some discussion of this in the thread: Rising??

For instance, see my post:



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Old 26-10-2003, 03:57 AM
Stephen Peck
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Gas=holes, big holes.

Holes are good. Ergo degassing bad.

"matt s" wrote in message
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Greetings,

After quite a bit of reading around, I have yet to find a full
explanation of why so many sourdough recipes do not call for degassing
the initial bulk fermented dough and allowing a second rise, before
dividing and shaping (as is typical for direct, commercially yeasted
methods)?

I am not sure if this is because the longer typical rise time for
sourdough already allows for both the development of flavor and gluten
(that a second, shorter rise, helps to do in direct, commercially
yeasted dough), or whether there is some other explanation.

Possible disadvantages to a second-rise before dividing and shaping?

Thanks for the help...



 




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