On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:06:21 -0500, pltrgyst wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:11:22 -0800, Tim May wrote:

1. Economy in decline in the Northeast.

Have you taken a look at the census tables of average income by state?

That's a worthless statistic.

Average income and housing costs by city is far more usefull.

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:33:00 -0000, AZ Nomad
wrote:

1. Economy in decline in the Northeast.

Have you taken a look at the census tables of average income by state?

That's a worthless statistic.

Average income and housing costs by city is far more usefull.

How about counties? Two of the three highest-income counties in the country are
right here around Washington DC, which is in the NE. Other top-tenners are in
Connecticut and NJ. Neither a desert nor a chitlin as far as the eye can see...

-- Larry

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:08:56 -0500, pltrgyst wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:33:00 -0000, AZ Nomad
wrote:

1. Economy in decline in the Northeast.

Have you taken a look at the census tables of average income by state?

That's a worthless statistic.

Average income and housing costs by city is far more usefull.

How about counties? Two of the three highest-income counties in the country are
right here around Washington DC, which is in the NE. Other top-tenners are in
Connecticut and NJ. Neither a desert nor a chitlin as far as the eye can see...

OK. Now divide by the cost of living. NYC night pay twice as much in my
occupation, but that doesn't do me a whole lot of good if the cost of living
is five times.

AZ Nomad wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:08:56 -0500, pltrgyst wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:33:00 -0000, AZ Nomad
wrote:

1. Economy in decline in the Northeast.
Have you taken a look at the census tables of average income by state?
That's a worthless statistic.

Average income and housing costs by city is far more usefull.

How about counties? Two of the three highest-income counties in the country are
right here around Washington DC, which is in the NE. Other top-tenners are in
Connecticut and NJ. Neither a desert nor a chitlin as far as the eye can see...

OK. Now divide by the cost of living. NYC night pay twice as much in my
occupation, but that doesn't do me a whole lot of good if the cost of living
is five times.

Or look at it the other way, why would anyone making so much be interested in
the "dollar menu."

In article ,
"Terri" wrote:

"Shawn Hirn" wrote in message
...
Something I have been wondering about is, why do the western states, at
least California and Nevada have so many more different fast food
restaurants then we do in Pennsylvania, New York, and New Jersey?

For example, in California, there are tons of fast food faux Mexican
places such as Del Taco, Polo Loco, etc. while in the northeast, the
only one I can think of is Taco Bell. The variety of fast food burger
places out west is amazing. Just a few off the top of my had: In-N-Out,
Fat Burger, Whataburger, Sonic, Burger King, McDonalds, Carls Jr., Jack
In the Box, Hardee's, and Wendays. In my area, its only Wendy's, McD's,
and BK. For fast food chicken, I think we're pretty much on par east and
west coasts, but for burger and Mexican joints, there seems like a lot
of untapped opportunity here in the northeast.

Visit Texas sometime. You'll be blown away by all the fast food places
there.

I was blown away when I was in San Antonio last May, but I found a
greater variety in California and Nevada.

In article
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wrote:


The variety of fast food burger places in the bay area is not amazing.
I've never seen a Sonic, a Whataburger, or a Fat Burger here. In-n-Out
took a half-century to move north. And Carl's Jr. owns Hardee's.
Further, we have no White Castles, and even Dairy Queens are few and
far between.

The part of the west that we live in is not blessed with fast food
chains in general. Fried chicken joints are in short supply; hating
KFC I would drive to East SJ to get Church's. Luckily now there are a
few PopeYes outposts. Sometimes nothing satisfies like deep fried
food: Where are the Long John Silvers, the Arthur Treachers? The lone
Dunkin' Donuts went out of business.

Arthur Treachers' parent company is the same as Kenny Rodgers. They're
both owned by Nathans Hotdogs who has a strange business model which
consists of closing branches. They closed down almost all the Kenny
Rodgers Roasters and Arthur Treachers stores and opened up just a few
food court places where you can buy from a very limited menu of each
one. What a shame.

As for SF, its choice of fast food places is limited, but nowhere near
to the Philadelphia area. We don't even have Carls Jr or In-n-Out. I
rarely eat fast food hamburgers, but when I do, I would much prefer
In-N-Out to BK, Wendy's, and McDonalds which are the only choices in my
area for that sort of food.

Shawn Hirn wrote:
In article
,
wrote:

The variety of fast food burger places in the bay area is not amazing.
I've never seen a Sonic, a Whataburger, or a Fat Burger here. In-n-Out
took a half-century to move north. And Carl's Jr. owns Hardee's.
Further, we have no White Castles, and even Dairy Queens are few and
far between.

The part of the west that we live in is not blessed with fast food
chains in general. Fried chicken joints are in short supply; hating
KFC I would drive to East SJ to get Church's. Luckily now there are a
few PopeYes outposts. Sometimes nothing satisfies like deep fried
food: Where are the Long John Silvers, the Arthur Treachers? The lone
Dunkin' Donuts went out of business.

Arthur Treachers' parent company is the same as Kenny Rodgers. They're
both owned by Nathans Hotdogs who has a strange business model which
consists of closing branches. They closed down almost all the Kenny
Rodgers Roasters and Arthur Treachers stores and opened up just a few
food court places where you can buy from a very limited menu of each
one. What a shame.

As for SF, its choice of fast food places is limited, but nowhere near
to the Philadelphia area. We don't even have Carls Jr or In-n-Out. I
rarely eat fast food hamburgers, but when I do, I would much prefer
In-N-Out to BK, Wendy's, and McDonalds which are the only choices in my
area for that sort of food.

Are you saying there aren't any independent (not chain) fast food (burger)
places out there at all?!! Man that would be a desert.

Oh, and I fully understand not ever wanting to eat a hamburger at BK, Wendy's or
McDonands if there is an In-N-Out anywhere within 100 miles.

In article 2NCdnRThIovurxTanZ2dnUVZ_qelnZ2d@championbroadban d.com,
Golden California Girls wrote:

Shawn Hirn wrote:
In article
,
wrote:

The variety of fast food burger places in the bay area is not amazing.
I've never seen a Sonic, a Whataburger, or a Fat Burger here. In-n-Out
took a half-century to move north. And Carl's Jr. owns Hardee's.
Further, we have no White Castles, and even Dairy Queens are few and
far between.

The part of the west that we live in is not blessed with fast food
chains in general. Fried chicken joints are in short supply; hating
KFC I would drive to East SJ to get Church's. Luckily now there are a
few PopeYes outposts. Sometimes nothing satisfies like deep fried
food: Where are the Long John Silvers, the Arthur Treachers? The lone
Dunkin' Donuts went out of business.

Arthur Treachers' parent company is the same as Kenny Rodgers. They're
both owned by Nathans Hotdogs who has a strange business model which
consists of closing branches. They closed down almost all the Kenny
Rodgers Roasters and Arthur Treachers stores and opened up just a few
food court places where you can buy from a very limited menu of each
one. What a shame.

As for SF, its choice of fast food places is limited, but nowhere near
to the Philadelphia area. We don't even have Carls Jr or In-n-Out. I
rarely eat fast food hamburgers, but when I do, I would much prefer
In-N-Out to BK, Wendy's, and McDonalds which are the only choices in my
area for that sort of food.

Are you saying there aren't any independent (not chain) fast food (burger)
places out there at all?!! Man that would be a desert.

There are tons of diners in my area where one can get an excellent
hamburger and fries, but none are fast food places. The only independent
fast food burger joint I can think of in my area is a little shoebox of
a store a couple of miles away, which I haven't tried yet, but should.

In article ,
pltrgyst wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:11:22 -0800, Tim May
wrote:

1. Economy in decline in the Northeast.

Have you taken a look at the census tables of average income by state?

I don't know about the other states in the Northeast, but NJ where I
live is easily among the top ten in per capita wealth and I am sure New
York is up there too.

In article ,
AZ Nomad wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:08:56 -0500, pltrgyst
wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:33:00 -0000, AZ Nomad
wrote:

1. Economy in decline in the Northeast.

Have you taken a look at the census tables of average income by state?

That's a worthless statistic.

Average income and housing costs by city is far more usefull.

How about counties? Two of the three highest-income counties in the country
are
right here around Washington DC, which is in the NE. Other top-tenners are
in
Connecticut and NJ. Neither a desert nor a chitlin as far as the eye can
see...

OK. Now divide by the cost of living. NYC night pay twice as much in my
occupation, but that doesn't do me a whole lot of good if the cost of living
is five times.

And this line of discussion has what to do with the greater variety of
fast food restaurants in the western states, than the northeastern
states?

In article XLidnS_aKIlGdxvanZ2dnUVZ_ojinZ2d@championbroadban d.com,
Golden California Girls wrote:

AZ Nomad wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:08:56 -0500, pltrgyst
wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:33:00 -0000, AZ Nomad

wrote:

1. Economy in decline in the Northeast.
Have you taken a look at the census tables of average income by state?
That's a worthless statistic.

Average income and housing costs by city is far more usefull.

How about counties? Two of the three highest-income counties in the
country are
right here around Washington DC, which is in the NE. Other top-tenners are
in
Connecticut and NJ. Neither a desert nor a chitlin as far as the eye can
see...

OK. Now divide by the cost of living. NYC night pay twice as much in my
occupation, but that doesn't do me a whole lot of good if the cost of
living
is five times.

Or look at it the other way, why would anyone making so much be interested in
the "dollar menu."

California is no slouch. Its damned hard to find a house for under half
a million in Southern California.

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:38:08 -0500, Shawn Hirn wrote:

And this line of discussion has what to do with the greater variety of
fast food restaurants in the western states, than the northeastern
states?

It's in response to the allegation that the lack in the NE was due to a
declining regional economy.

As you would know if you bothered to use your threaded newsreader before trying
to play net cop and just looking stupid.

-- Larry

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008, Golden California Girls wrote:

Oh, and I fully understand not ever wanting to eat a hamburger at BK, Wendy's
or McDonands if there is an In-N-Out anywhere within 100 miles.

You must own stock!

But in any case, In-N-Out doesn't satisfy the original criteria, since
it's not a fast food place. Typical time delay is similar to that of
good non-chain burger places (unless one goes at very-off hours).
--

Al Eisner
San Mateo Co., CA

Al Eisner wrote:

But in any case, In-N-Out doesn't satisfy the original criteria, since
it's not a fast food place. Typical time delay is similar to that of
good non-chain burger places (unless one goes at very-off hours).

You and I have different definitions of fast food. In-N-out,
Val's, Nation's, all count as fast food. Anyplace that you pay first,
that produces your food within 15 minutes, and from which you normally
leave right after eating is fast food.

Chain vs. non-chain doesn't enter into the definition for me.

Steve

In article
anford.edu,
Al Eisner wrote:

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008, Golden California Girls wrote:

Oh, and I fully understand not ever wanting to eat a hamburger at BK,
Wendy's
or McDonands if there is an In-N-Out anywhere within 100 miles.

You must own stock!

But in any case, In-N-Out doesn't satisfy the original criteria, since
it's not a fast food place. Typical time delay is similar to that of
good non-chain burger places (unless one goes at very-off hours).

In my experience, the only reason In-N-Out isn't fast is because of the
long lines and their policy of making their burgers to order. I still
consider it a ff place though.