In article k.net, Can
Altinbay says...

Then, we have this. So - is the woman capable of keeping the gun from going
to the rapist or not? She is intelligent, so she would not allow him to
have it. Yet, she is not able to handle him.

I didn't say fist fight. this lady I mentioned is a martial arts expert.

Oh, I see the problem. Obviously you've never been told this:

"Xena Warrior Princess" is NOT a documentary.


That's Taliban grade misogyny on your part.


Straw man.

Painful truth... for you anyway.


And your examples still mean the woman has to get to the gun. That takes
time.

How MUCH time? 2 hours? 10 days?


How much time does he need?

More than she'll give him.

But again, your knowledge of firearms and self-defense is confined to reruns of
"Starsky and Hutch".

Like most anti-gunners, in addition to being a misogynist, you know
nothing
about firearms or self-defense.


Since the former statement is untrue, and is a fabrication on your part
coming from no supporting evidence. the second part is suspect, too.

You have displayed nothing but profound ignorance of the subject. I don't
expect that to change. You glory too much in your wilfull ignorance.

And yet again, I point out that this is a newsgroup devoted to food and
restaurants, not one devoted to advocating the welfare of violent rapists.


And yet again, yada yada.

What exactly did your post have to do with food or restaurants?


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Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women should have to fistfight with 210lb.
rapists.

Alright, anyone with any level of intellect knows that history is an
interpretation of historical or archeological data. History is not a fact.
We were never there.


"Chris Morton" wrote in message
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In article .net, Can
Altinbay
says...

"Chris Morton" wrote in message
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In article , Suzanne says...

I think gun control is controlling who gets to have and carry which
guns
all
together. Wouldn't you think this is necessary in this civilized
nation??

Leaving aside the fact that this is a newsgroup devoted to food and
restaurants,
gun control is usually depriving access to weapons to disfavored
members
of
society. Traditionally in this country, that has meant non-Whites and
non-Christians. Oddly, such controls never seem to impact actual
criminals.
But then that's not the purpose of such laws in the first place. Gun
control
isn't about guns, it's about control, usually of minorities. Certainly
that's
the way it works in Chicago.



You've GOT to be kidding.

History doesn't lie, but malicious people lie about it. You appear to be
no
exception.

And yet again, I point out that this is a newsgroup devoted to food and
restaurants, not your desire to see violent rapists complete their crimes
without harm to themselves.


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Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women should have to fistfight with
210lb.
rapists.

To generalize all women to be not stupid is blatantly stupid.


"Chris Morton" wrote in message
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In article , Suzanne says...

On 12/30/03 11:09 AM, in article , "Chris
Morton"
wrote:

In article .net, Can
Altinbay
says...

What part of rapist taking the gun away don't you understand?

What part of why would the woman let him, don't you understand?

You obviously have a profound level of contempt for women.
Chris, you may be misunderstand something here. Nobody is making an issue
about women except you. You are jumping your guns.

No, I've misunderstood nothing.

Women have consistently been portrayed as stupid and foolish. That's
certainly
the only characterization for somebody who'd LET a violent criminal take a
loaded gun from them.

Why would an intelligent woman LET him?

Why are you so contemptuous of women?
Again, you seem to be fixated on the idea that people are constantly have
some level of contempt against women.

Let's see, women are portrayed as generally stupid and foolish... but NOT
in a
contemptuous way... yeah, right.

And yet again I note that this is SUPPOSED to be a newsgroup about food
and
restaurants... the ONLY subject I might add which I have initiated here.


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Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women should have to fistfight with
210lb.
rapists.

Oh, boy. It has nothing to do with "Letting" take the weapon. Are you saying
that intelligent people don't let people take anything away from them?? When
it come to rape or other violent crimes it has nothing to do with "letting."
Shit happens. If the perpetrator know what he is doing he WILL take that gun
away. Face it. It has nothing to do with anyone's intellect. It has nothing
to do with contempt for women either. It's all about contempt for your
ignorance.


"Chris Morton" wrote in message
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In article aZpIb.700589$Tr4.1752318@attbi_s03, Shatto says...

Who is the stupid one here. The lady said "taking" the gun, not "giving"
the
gun. I think your intellect is at question here.

The stupid one is the one who thinks that the woman would LET someone take
a
loaded gun away from her. It's indicative of a profound contempt for
women.

And let me point out again that this is a newsgroup devoted to restaurants
and
food, not advocacy of the welfare of violent rapists.


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Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women should have to fistfight with
210lb.
rapists.

On 12/30/03 6:43 PM, in article , "Chris Morton"
wrote:

In article , Suzanne says...

That's strange, here in Los Angeles we have the minorities as the
predominant owners of guns. So, your theory doesn't work here in LA, may be
just in Chicago.

Yes, as bizarre as Los Angeles is, it's nowhere near as bizarre as Chicago.
Or
perhaps it's just bizarre in different ways....

Here's a question for you:

I'm Black. What would it take for me to move to Chicago with my handguns?

And yes, it's a trick question. Show everyone how smart you are and explain
HOW
it's a trick question.


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Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women should have to fistfight with 210lb.
rapists.


Sorry, I'm not as intelligent as you are, but I don't care to solve your
inconclusive riddle (if its one). Listen, you have your problems where ever
you live, but keep in mind that guns are not your solution to your
predicament. You got one, he's got two. I'm only imagining a society without
guns so that we can prevent Columbine. You can fathom that if you have any
sense.

Feel free to jump in anytime if you have any balls to say something of
importance. Its easy to be an onlooker.


"Steve Wertz" wrote in message
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On 29 Dec 2003 06:58:09 -0800, Chris Morton
wrote:

Thanks.

No problemo.

It is kind of funny how one word can start a flame war, though.

-sw

What the F... are you taking about????? Make some sense you want to be taken
seriously...not that I do.


"Chris Morton" wrote in message
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In article , Suzanne says...

That's strange, here in Los Angeles we have the minorities as the
predominant owners of guns. So, your theory doesn't work here in LA, may
be
just in Chicago.

Yes, as bizarre as Los Angeles is, it's nowhere near as bizarre as
Chicago. Or
perhaps it's just bizarre in different ways....

Here's a question for you:

I'm Black. What would it take for me to move to Chicago with my handguns?

And yes, it's a trick question. Show everyone how smart you are and
explain HOW
it's a trick question.


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Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women should have to fistfight with
210lb.
rapists.

Anymore generality about any gender is take as stupid.



"Chris Morton" wrote in message
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In article .net, Can
Altinbay
says...

"Chris Morton" wrote in message
...

I'm endlessly fascinated by the contempt which gun control advocates
display for
the intellect and character of women. Apparently, you don't think that
a
woman
is smart enough to either use a holster or a purse designed for the
carrying of
firearms. You also don't appear to believe that women are smart enough
to
carry
firearms which can be fired from inside a purse or a coat pocket.

Misogyny is a consistent trait of gun control advocates....



Don't you love it. No one ever said anything about intelligence, and we
come up with THIS doozy.

Woman who acted as you suggest would be stupid. I don't believe women by
and
large are stupid.

For the record, I know women who could take out said rapist easily. It's
a
matter of training, and they don't have to find their gun. So don't give
me
misogynist. Straw man of the worst kind.

Once again, you advocate 110lb. 60 year old women fistfighting with 210lb.
20
year old rapists. You don't mind if the woman resists, you just don't
want her
to prevail. What do you call that, "foreplay"?

That's Taliban grade misogyny on your part.

And your examples still mean the woman has to get to the gun. That takes
time.

How MUCH time? 2 hours? 10 days?

Like most anti-gunners, in addition to being a misogynist, you know
nothing
about firearms or self-defense.

And yet again, I point out that this is a newsgroup devoted to food and
restaurants, not one devoted to advocating the welfare of violent rapists.


--
Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women should have to fistfight with
210lb.
rapists.

Yah, It looks like you started all. Take that .sig out before I start
quoting Saddam.


"Chris Morton" wrote in message
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In article , Steve Wertz says...

On 29 Dec 2003 06:58:09 -0800, Chris Morton
wrote:

Thanks.

No problemo.

It is kind of funny how one word can start a flame war, though.

A flame war in usenet???

I'm shocked, shocked! : )


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Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women should have to fistfight with
210lb.
rapists.

In article v%vIb.702017$Tr4.1769419@attbi_s03, Shatto says...

To generalize all women to be not stupid is blatantly stupid.

What percentage of women ARE stupid?

And what percentage of stupid women justifies forcing women to be victims of
violent rape?

By the way, what part of this has to do with food or restaurants?


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Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women should have to fistfight with 210lb.
rapists.

In article 8cwIb.19164$xX.70801@attbi_s02, Shatto says...

Oh, boy. It has nothing to do with "Letting" take the weapon. Are you saying

You obviously presume that women are too stupid or foolish to take the obvious
step to retain the gun.

That's misogyny.

that intelligent people don't let people take anything away from them?? When

It's a gun, not a turkey leg. It has certain qualities which make it easy to
retain.

it come to rape or other violent crimes it has nothing to do with "letting."
Shit happens. If the perpetrator know what he is doing he WILL take that gun
away. Face it. It has nothing to do with anyone's intellect. It has nothing

Really? Have you ever taken a loaded handgun from somebody?

"If the perpetrator knows what he is doing"?

Define "knows what he is doing".

How many do?

Why do misogynistic anti-gunners attribute to women utter stupidity, and to
common rapists, the combat skills of the SAS and GSG-9?

Seems like they have a preference... and it's not for the woman.

to do with contempt for women either. It's all about contempt for your
ignorance.

You're obviously unqualified to say, not to mention biased AGAINST the woman.

And needless to say, none of this has anything to do with food or restaurants.


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Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women should have to fistfight with 210lb.
rapists.

In article , Suzanne says...

Sorry, I'm not as intelligent as you are, but I don't care to solve your

Clearly.

inconclusive riddle (if its one). Listen, you have your problems where ever

What's the matter? Is the answer to embarassing? Does it go beyond misogyny
and into racism?

you live, but keep in mind that guns are not your solution to your
predicament. You got one, he's got two. I'm only imagining a society without

What IS "my predicament"?

Only anti-gunners view refusal to be a helpless victim a "predicament".

guns so that we can prevent Columbine. You can fathom that if you have any
sense.

"Imagine" is exactly right. It's a fantasy. But that just points up the fact
that you're utterly ignorant about firearms or self-defense and willing to force
women to be helpless victims in order to pursue that pernicious fantasy.

And I must note that none of this has anything to do with food or restaurants.


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Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women should have to fistfight with 210lb.
rapists.

In article yAwIb.707691$Fm2.613727@attbi_s04, Shatto says...

What the F... are you taking about????? Make some sense you want to be taken
seriously...not that I do.

Whats the matter?

Can't you answer the question?

And what does this have to do with restaurants or food?


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Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women should have to fistfight with 210lb.
rapists.

In article kCwIb.702161$Tr4.1769864@attbi_s03, Shatto says...

Anymore generality about any gender is take as stupid.

That's why I don't assume that all women are idiots who can't be trusted to
defend themselves with a firearm.

Aside from that, you should spend less time on gender and more time on
grammar....


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Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women should have to fistfight with 210lb.
rapists.

In article IEwIb.19239$xX.71226@attbi_s02, Shatto says...

Yah, It looks like you started all. Take that .sig out before I start
quoting Saddam.

No.

I don't give a crap if you quote Carrot Top.

And speaking of carrots, your impotent threat has nothing to do with food or
restaurants.


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Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women should have to fistfight with 210lb.
rapists.