In article , Gerry says...

Anybody that's eating at a Hardee's that could be eating off the floor
of a truck stop diner is very misguided...

Of course when you're traveling on the Ohio and Indiana Turnpikes, your options
are limited. If you want to eat, you eat whatever's at that particular rest
stop or you keep moving.


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In article , Steve Wertz says...

On 29 Dec 2003 17:45:47 -0800, Chris Morton
wrote:

Yes, but almost every midwestern town has a greasy spoon like "The Spot" in
Fulton, MO. They made a better burger than Hardees could ever imagine.
Gasper's truck stop on Hwy54 was a lot better than Hardees too.

Any decent midwestren town will have at least 6 24-hour Waffle Houses
(3 of them right across the street from another one).

Actually, I'm not sure that there are any Waffle Houses in NE Ohio. There are
Denny's and Big Boys, although almost all of the Big Boys in the Cleveland area
closed a few years ago. Most of the Long John Silvers closed around the same
time. I always liked Captain D's better. Of course the closest Captain D is in
Finley, OH.


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In article , Chris Morton says...

In article , Steve Wertz says...

On 29 Dec 2003 17:45:47 -0800, Chris Morton
wrote:

Yes, but almost every midwestern town has a greasy spoon like "The Spot" in
Fulton, MO. They made a better burger than Hardees could ever imagine.
Gasper's truck stop on Hwy54 was a lot better than Hardees too.

Any decent midwestren town will have at least 6 24-hour Waffle Houses
(3 of them right across the street from another one).

Actually, I'm not sure that there are any Waffle Houses in NE Ohio. There are
Denny's and Big Boys, although almost all of the Big Boys in the Cleveland area
closed a few years ago. Most of the Long John Silvers closed around the same
time. I always liked Captain D's better. Of course the closest Captain D is in
Finley, OH.

It slipped my mind, but IHOP has now made it to NE Ohio. There's one on Detroit
Rd. in Lakewood. Decent food, certainly better than Denny's. Years ago, there
used to be an IHOP on Western Ave. in Chicago, between 95th and 87th. It's some
local fish shack now. Fish shacks seem to be a fad in Chicago now. You seem to
see one on every corner on the south side. When I was a kid it was rib joints.

Best restaurant pancakes I've ever had were at "Mammy's" in downtown Chicago,
near the Greyhound station. Don't know if they're still there or not.


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In article , Chris Morton
wrote:

The bun I regularly have never has liquid in it. It's a bowl of
vermicelli noodles sitting on greenery of different seasonal (in
California) varities with something (bbq pork, shrimp, egg roll) on
top.

The bun bo xao I have here has broth. I don't know enough about
Vietnamese food to know if that's out of the ordinary.

I think I've seen that name on Vietnamese menus. I thought "bo" meant
beef. I'll check it out the next time; I live inches from Westminster.

Pho is the name of the dish. The noodle that is exclusively used for
Pho is therefore the Pho-Noodle, or Bánh-Pho in vietnamese.
With Bún and Mì it is different. These are no dishes, just noodle
names like Maccaroni and Tagliatelle with Bún meaning rice noodle and
Mì meaning Wheat/Egg noodle. The dishes made of them are then called
e.g. Bun-Bi (rice noodles with pork and no broth), Bun-Rieu (Rice
noodle tomato soup with Rieu, i.e. micro shrimps).
Or Bun-Bo-Xao which I don't know. I guess it is a noodle soup with Bò
(beef) that is maybe xao (=roasted?).

In article , Chris Morton
wrote:

In article , Gerry
says...

Anybody that's eating at a Hardee's that could be eating off the
floor of a truck stop diner is very misguided...

Of course when you're traveling on the Ohio and Indiana Turnpikes,
your options are limited. If you want to eat, you eat whatever's at
that particular rest stop or you keep moving.

Gotta tell this story. A million years ago I'm on a road trip with a 6
piece band and we're coming through Waco at 3am on a Sunday morning.
Almost no diner's is in the truckstop, a relatively large restaurant.

We check out one of these big ol' honker menus with lots of hearty fare
on it. When the waitress comes I ask, "How's the chili?"
"You don't want the chili", she deadpans.
"I don't?"
"Nope."
"Do I want the omelette?"
"You don't want that either."
"What do we want," another guys asks.
"You want hamburgers" she says.
"We do?"

As if on queue we hear a loud crash from the kitchen. We all turn to
the open fetch-it area and see a guy go racing around in the kitchen
like his pants are on fire.

"You want hamburgers and you wanna be glad he can make those." she says.

They were edible, which under the circumstances was probably a
life-saver.

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In article , Steve Wertz
wrote:

Note that there's a whole nuther category of vietnamese soups. Pho
is just pone particular kind of 'soup'. Pho is really considered a
dish rather than a soup.

I would argue with this. I think Pho is thought of as a hearty soup.

I have a lot of vietnamese co-workers and they say pho isn't really
consdered a soup. That certainly coincides with my interpretation of
the menus I've seen as well. Soups and Pho are listed separately.
The broth is meant to add liquid to the dish, but it's often left
behind, or drank separately from the rest of the dish.

The inclusion of the obligatory table salad that accompanies the pho,
just as it does the other non-soup entrees, may also give some
credibility to that theory. IME, the actual soups are usually
thicker, heartier, and more stew-like.

But it's not worth arguing about :-)

We already ARE arguing about it. My take is this: I've seen it and
eaten it on a regular basis for 6 years. I don't know anything about a
Pho that doesn't have soup; in it or possibly on the side. Maybe the
entire menu is composed predominantly of these, and they're the stuff I
never pick, and nobody around me does either.

Like your Vietnamese co-workers I base my viewpoint totally on personal
experience. The Vietnamese in Little Saigon--maybe they do relatively
inauthentic grub. Maybe it's all Californicated. But I guess it's like
that old argument about how they don't REALLY have pizza in Italy and
it's only a ******* Unitedstatesian Frankenstein of Italian food.

Still tastes great though...

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care about the swing districts. Then they complain about voter apathy.
-- Gail Collins

In article , Gerry says...

Gotta tell this story. A million years ago I'm on a road trip with a 6
piece band and we're coming through Waco at 3am on a Sunday morning.
Almost no diner's is in the truckstop, a relatively large restaurant.

A few years ago, a friend was running for judge here. I went to party
headquarters downtown with him, and helped him set up some computers and
highspeed printers to print out some campaign literature. It was probably 3am
before we got done. We left in search of someplace to eat, winding up at the
Denney's on 150th(?) St. near the airport. I swear I haven't seen that many
hookers since I left Korea. It was like open casting call for a really low
budget porn movie. Fortunately, that Denney's isn't too bad.

The one on Bagley Rd. in Middleburg Heights is pretty bad. I once went there
around midnight after a Japanese class at Cuyahoga Community College. I ordered
chili. What I got was a bowl of beans and ground beef... and that was it. No
sauce or liquid of any kind.

Of course the WORST Denney's in the US is in Fremont, OH. You can wait an hour
for a burger at 4am with nobody else ordering. Of course the food's wretched no
matter how long it takes to prepare. It's quite possibly the worst Denney's in
the world, but I can't honestly say, since I've never eaten in a Denney's in
Japan.


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I understand that Mad Cow Disease is not killed by heat. That's one of the
reason why it is so serious.


"Charles Quinn" wrote in message
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In article , "p96bf"
wrote:

Suzanne wrote in message ...

I love Pho noodle, but this Mad Cow scare is keeping me away from eating
it.
Especially, the ingredient of bone marrow, the transmitter of the
disease
(brain is the other) is definitely unsettling.

SHO

If you eat bloody staek you have to worry. But if you boil Pho soup 100
degree Centigrad can you still get mad cow disease? Please confirm.


Prion are not killed by heat. Do a google search on prion and cooking.

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The significant problems we face cannot be solved
at the same level of thinking we were at when we
created them. Albert Einstein

All soba broth are made from fish broth whether you like or not. I think the
Japanese feel that rice tastes best as is. Although, MOCHI and rice crackers
are other byproducts of rice in their diet. UDON is made out of wheat.



"Gerry" wrote in message
.. .
In article , Suzanne
wrote:

I do a lot of vietnamese cooking (and eating out) and yes, it's a
pretty authentic recipe, other than the addition or substitution of
some veggies/herbs that are not commonly available here in the US.
This is what you'll find in most US restaurants, though some places
are likely to take shortcuts on the stock.


Yellow noodles are often called Egg noodles. Ramen is the Japanese
version
of the Chinese egg noodle. The original Chinese does not call it RAMEN.
RAMEN sold in supermarkets in the form of instant noodle is not a real
ramen, but a synthetic ramen.

Instant ramen is to real ramen what "instant potatoes" are to the real
thing.

One of the original noodles from Japan is
called SOBA and it is made from buckwheat and consumed with soup made
from
fish broth and soy sauce.

Generally consumed not in a soup, but with a dipping sauce on the side
which is not made of fish broth.

Japanese traditionally does not have rice noodle in their rooster of
noodles unlike Vietnam and other Indochinese and Southeast Asian
regions. Ramen and Pho are of different phylum. I love them both.

Curious isn't it? As rice-centric as they are, that they don't have a
rice noodle of any importance. I guess they consider rice too holy for
any general modification with the exception of my beloved sake...

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only
care about the swing districts. Then they complain about voter apathy.
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In article , Chris Morton
wrote:

The one on Bagley Rd. in Middleburg Heights is pretty bad. I once
went there around midnight after a Japanese class at Cuyahoga
Community College. I ordered chili. What I got was a bowl of beans
and ground beef... and that was it. No sauce or liquid of any kind.

An intrepid explorer--the guy who buys chili someplace he's never been.
I did that a few times and then realized I wanted to see my 30th year
of life.

Of course the WORST Denney's in the US is in Fremont, OH. You can
wait an hour for a burger at 4am with nobody else ordering. Of
course the food's wretched no matter how long it takes to prepare.
It's quite possibly the worst Denney's in the world, but I can't
honestly say, since I've never eaten in a Denney's in Japan.

It seems I recall actually seeing a Denny's in Ueno in Tokyo. Can't
say I tried it. But I have tried a number of what could be thought of
as chain breakfast places. Surprisingly we didn't dash in to see what
they had. Now as I think of it, it probably would have been funny.

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care about the swing districts. Then they complain about voter apathy.
-- Gail Collins

In article , Steve Wertz
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:54:14 -0800, Gerry
wrote:

In article , Steve Wertz
wrote:

Note that there's a whole nuther category of vietnamese soups. Pho
is just pone particular kind of 'soup'. Pho is really considered a
dish rather than a soup.

I would argue with this. I think Pho is thought of as a hearty soup.

I have a lot of vietnamese co-workers and they say pho isn't really
consdered a soup. That certainly coincides with my interpretation of
the menus I've seen as well. Soups and Pho are listed separately.
The broth is meant to add liquid to the dish, but it's often left
behind, or drank separately from the rest of the dish.

The inclusion of the obligatory table salad that accompanies the pho,
just as it does the other non-soup entrees, may also give some
credibility to that theory. IME, the actual soups are usually
thicker, heartier, and more stew-like.

But it's not worth arguing about :-)

We already ARE arguing about it.

Well then, do carry on without me.

I meant that facetiously, but I'll be glad to oblige.

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care about the swing districts. Then they complain about voter apathy.
-- Gail Collins

In article HRwIb.707782$Fm2.613812@attbi_s04, Shatto
wrote:

All soba broth are made from fish broth whether you like or not.

In that case me like. Actually I was thinking of the dipping sauce.
And that too is dashi as well and therefore a "fish broth".

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care about the swing districts. Then they complain about voter apathy.
-- Gail Collins

In article , Gerry says...

In article , Chris Morton
wrote:

The one on Bagley Rd. in Middleburg Heights is pretty bad. I once
went there around midnight after a Japanese class at Cuyahoga
Community College. I ordered chili. What I got was a bowl of beans
and ground beef... and that was it. No sauce or liquid of any kind.

An intrepid explorer--the guy who buys chili someplace he's never been.
I did that a few times and then realized I wanted to see my 30th year
of life.

The problem was that I HAD been there, and probably had the chili, REAL chili
previously. That particular Denney's is wildly variable in quality, even for
the same visit. I got decent fish and chips (or whatever) recently, while the
guy I was with got what he considered hideously awful tuna salad. The one on
Lorain Rd. in North Olmsted across from the Bob Evans is a lot more consistently
edible.

Of course the WORST Denney's in the US is in Fremont, OH. You can
wait an hour for a burger at 4am with nobody else ordering. Of
course the food's wretched no matter how long it takes to prepare.
It's quite possibly the worst Denney's in the world, but I can't
honestly say, since I've never eaten in a Denney's in Japan.

It seems I recall actually seeing a Denny's in Ueno in Tokyo. Can't
say I tried it. But I have tried a number of what could be thought of
as chain breakfast places. Surprisingly we didn't dash in to see what
they had. Now as I think of it, it probably would have been funny.

A friend who was in the same Japanese class with me had lived in Japan and eaten
in the Denney's there. She said the food was ok; there were just some typical
Japanese oddities on the menu.


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"Chris Morton" wrote in message
...

I first ate at Hardees in Fulton, MO in '76. Worst fast food I'd EVER
had.

From then on, every ten years or so, I eat at a Hardees. That assessment
never
changes.

I ate at one on the Indiana turnpike recently. While it wasn't make you
sick
disgusting, it was still worse than every other fastfood chain I regularly
eat
at, from McDonalds to Taco Bell.

Have you seen their new ad campaign? It's basically, "we know we've always
sucked, but we're working on it." The actual tagline is "The last place
you'd ever go for a burger will become the first."

They seem to feel they something for which they must atone . . .

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In article pWMIb.19146$I07.53221@attbi_s53, Karl Hungus says...


"Chris Morton" wrote in message
...

I first ate at Hardees in Fulton, MO in '76. Worst fast food I'd EVER
had.

From then on, every ten years or so, I eat at a Hardees. That assessment
never
changes.

I ate at one on the Indiana turnpike recently. While it wasn't make you
sick
disgusting, it was still worse than every other fastfood chain I regularly
eat
at, from McDonalds to Taco Bell.

Have you seen their new ad campaign? It's basically, "we know we've always
sucked, but we're working on it." The actual tagline is "The last place
you'd ever go for a burger will become the first."

They seem to feel they something for which they must atone . . .

They've got a LOT to atone for!

Now if I could only find some excuse to go to Fulton, MO to see if The Spot is
still there... Maybe a trip to Graf & Sons for reloading supplies....


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