If you look at all the facts and figures, etc, including CDC, it may appears
botulism is over rated as a danger. You may be more at risk driving to the
grocery to purchase your food. I would be more concerned about a lot of
other thing before I would worry about botulism. Like going to your doctors
or hospital. As a former health professional, I can relate to that.

Cooking apparently distroys the botulism toxin.

Andie Z

Andie Z wrote:
If you look at all the facts and figures, etc, including CDC, it may appears
botulism is over rated as a danger. You may be more at risk driving to the
grocery to purchase your food. I would be more concerned about a lot of
other thing before I would worry about botulism. Like going to your doctors
or hospital. As a former health professional, I can relate to that.

Cooking apparently distroys the botulism toxin.

Andie Z




Ten minutes of boiling (simmering may not be enough) destroys botulism
toxin. How many things do you boil for 10 minutes before tasting?

"Andie Z" wrote in message
news:9_UVf.997$ui7.868@trndny09...
If you look at all the facts and figures, etc, including CDC, it may
appears
botulism is over rated as a danger. You may be more at risk driving to
the
grocery to purchase your food. I would be more concerned about a lot of
other thing before I would worry about botulism. Like going to your
doctors
or hospital. As a former health professional, I can relate to that.

Cooking apparently distroys the botulism toxin.

Andie Z



But WHY take any chances? Especially if you can take easy, simple steps to
avoid it? Getting botulism once is one too many times.

I was at my mother's house today. I'm helping her 'clean house' and I use
the term lightly, because I've just discovered that she's a 'hoarder'
(think if the woman who was on Oprah last fall...gross). Woman's got enuff
canned (grocery store cans, that is) goods to last a life time.....

Anyway, I'm gonna get my mom back on track, and it may take me a
year.....it's so sad.....

Y'know what I found in her pantry today? A jar of her home made chili
sauce. It was in a recycled apple sauce jar with the original lid. It was
sealed with wax. It was dated 1997. Shall I send this (possible) home
made botulism to you?

My mother is clueless, and I'm about to give her a lesson in what is safe
and what is not. I would think that any one who reads this group is more
informed than my mother. I would hope.

I'm just glad that I found this jar before she did.....;-(

I chucked it.

Kathi

"zxcvbob" wrote in message
...
Andie Z wrote:
If you look at all the facts and figures, etc, including CDC, it may
appears
botulism is over rated as a danger. You may be more at risk driving to
the
grocery to purchase your food. I would be more concerned about a lot of
other thing before I would worry about botulism. Like going to your
doctors
or hospital. As a former health professional, I can relate to that.

Cooking apparently distroys the botulism toxin.

Andie Z




Ten minutes of boiling (simmering may not be enough) destroys botulism
toxin. How many things do you boil for 10 minutes before tasting?

bet my Mom wouldn't have boiled her chili sauce...........

Kathi

Kathi Jones wrote:

"Andie Z" wrote in message
news:9_UVf.997$ui7.868@trndny09...
If you look at all the facts and figures, etc, including CDC, it may
appears
botulism is over rated as a danger. You may be more at risk driving to
the
grocery to purchase your food. I would be more concerned about a lot of
other thing before I would worry about botulism. Like going to your
doctors
or hospital. As a former health professional, I can relate to that.
Cooking apparently distroys the botulism toxin.
Andie Z

But WHY take any chances? Especially if you can take easy, simple steps to
avoid it? Getting botulism once is one too many times.
I was at my mother's house today. I'm helping her 'clean house' and I use
the term lightly, because I've just discovered that she's a 'hoarder'
(think if the woman who was on Oprah last fall...gross). Woman's got enuff
canned (grocery store cans, that is) goods to last a life time.....
Anyway, I'm gonna get my mom back on track, and it may take me a
year.....it's so sad.....
Y'know what I found in her pantry today? A jar of her home made chili
sauce. It was in a recycled apple sauce jar with the original lid. It was
sealed with wax. It was dated 1997. Shall I send this (possible) home
made botulism to you?
My mother is clueless, and I'm about to give her a lesson in what is safe
and what is not. I would think that any one who reads this group is more
informed than my mother. I would hope.
I'm just glad that I found this jar before she did.....;-(
I chucked it.

Andie - "apparently" is an issue here. Y'all can't always tell when botulism is
growing.
Kathie - Remind yer ma that hoarding is a little like greed and therefore a
sin. My new year's resolution for several years running has been to pare away
the excess.
I'm still working on it. But I give away most of my canned foods before their
expiry.
Edrena

"The Joneses" wrote in message
...

... I give away most of my canned foods before their
expiry.

That's a bit unkind. If it's not good enough for you why should others want
it?

Mary Fisher wrote:

"The Joneses" wrote in message
...

... I give away most of my canned foods before their
expiry.

That's a bit unkind. If it's not good enough for you why should others want
it?

It's great enuf for us, but we are just two nowadays so if I have several jars
leftover in the spring, all my friends benefit. I think most canned stuff would
last at least two years, but I try not to keep it over a year. Still learning
how much to make....
Edrena

In article ,
"Mary Fisher" wrote:

"The Joneses" wrote in message
...

... I give away most of my canned foods before their
expiry.

That's a bit unkind. If it's not good enough for you why should others want
it?

I don't think she said they're not good enough for her; I think she said
she gave stuff away while it could still be enjoyed‹and she wouldn't be
able to eat it all up herself.
--
-Barb
http://jamlady.eboard.com Updated 3-27-2006 It Can Can!

"If it's not worth doing to excess, it's not worth doing at all."

"The Joneses" wrote in message
...
Kathi Jones wrote:

"Andie Z" wrote in message
news:9_UVf.997$ui7.868@trndny09...
If you look at all the facts and figures, etc, including CDC, it may
appears
botulism is over rated as a danger. You may be more at risk driving
to
the
grocery to purchase your food. I would be more concerned about a lot
of
other thing before I would worry about botulism. Like going to your
doctors
or hospital. As a former health professional, I can relate to that.
Cooking apparently distroys the botulism toxin.
Andie Z

But WHY take any chances? Especially if you can take easy, simple steps
to
avoid it? Getting botulism once is one too many times.
I was at my mother's house today. I'm helping her 'clean house' and I
use
the term lightly, because I've just discovered that she's a 'hoarder'
(think if the woman who was on Oprah last fall...gross). Woman's got
enuff
canned (grocery store cans, that is) goods to last a life time.....
Anyway, I'm gonna get my mom back on track, and it may take me a
year.....it's so sad.....
Y'know what I found in her pantry today? A jar of her home made chili
sauce. It was in a recycled apple sauce jar with the original lid. It
was
sealed with wax. It was dated 1997. Shall I send this (possible) home
made botulism to you?
My mother is clueless, and I'm about to give her a lesson in what is
safe
and what is not. I would think that any one who reads this group is
more
informed than my mother. I would hope.
I'm just glad that I found this jar before she did.....;-(
I chucked it.

Andie - "apparently" is an issue here. Y'all can't always tell when
botulism is
growing.
Kathie - Remind yer ma that hoarding is a little like greed and therefore
a
sin. My new year's resolution for several years running has been to pare
away
the excess.
I'm still working on it. But I give away most of my canned foods before
their
expiry.
Edrena

Hi Edrena,

my mom's gonna get a lesson in 'downsizing' , among other things. I think I
can get her to cooperate if I suggest we find a women's shelter to donate
her stuff to. Some goodwill places turn around and sell the stuff they
get - I'd rather a REAL needy person gets the stuff she has.

For example, I had a look at her linen closet today....enuff for a small
motel...and she's only one in her house.....

Kathi