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Anny Middon
 
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Bought some canning jars over the weekend, but the only half-pint ones
available were labelled "jelly jars." I bought them because the jar can't
know if it's filled with a soft spread or chopped tomatoes or pickles.
Mostly I figured that the term "jelly jar" means the waffle pattern on the
jar itself and the the fruit picture on the lid are designed to make jams
and jellies look good.

But then I got to thinking -- when I get a pressure canner, are these jars
suitable for use in pressure canning? There didn't seem to a price
difference other than that due to size between the half-pint "jelly jars'
and the pint canning jars.

Anny


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"Anny Middon" > wrote:

> But then I got to thinking -- when I get a pressure canner, are these jars
> suitable for use in pressure canning?


I pressure-canned single-serving batches of all meat chili in 4 oz.
jelly jars. No problem.
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Blanche Nonken
 
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"Anny Middon" > wrote:

> But then I got to thinking -- when I get a pressure canner, are these jars
> suitable for use in pressure canning?


I pressure-canned single-serving batches of all meat chili in 4 oz.
jelly jars. No problem.
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Bob (this one)
 
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Anny Middon wrote:

> Bought some canning jars over the weekend, but the only half-pint ones
> available were labelled "jelly jars." I bought them because the jar can't
> know if it's filled with a soft spread or chopped tomatoes or pickles.


Oh, the jars know. They go through special training for that. They'll
report you. I'd be careful. If you're nice to them, they might forget it.

Pastorio


> Mostly I figured that the term "jelly jar" means the waffle pattern on the
> jar itself and the the fruit picture on the lid are designed to make jams
> and jellies look good.
>
> But then I got to thinking -- when I get a pressure canner, are these jars
> suitable for use in pressure canning? There didn't seem to a price
> difference other than that due to size between the half-pint "jelly jars'
> and the pint canning jars.
>
> Anny
>
>


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Anny Middon wrote:

> Bought some canning jars over the weekend, but the only half-pint ones
> available were labelled "jelly jars." I bought them because the jar can't
> know if it's filled with a soft spread or chopped tomatoes or pickles.


Oh, the jars know. They go through special training for that. They'll
report you. I'd be careful. If you're nice to them, they might forget it.

Pastorio


> Mostly I figured that the term "jelly jar" means the waffle pattern on the
> jar itself and the the fruit picture on the lid are designed to make jams
> and jellies look good.
>
> But then I got to thinking -- when I get a pressure canner, are these jars
> suitable for use in pressure canning? There didn't seem to a price
> difference other than that due to size between the half-pint "jelly jars'
> and the pint canning jars.
>
> Anny
>
>




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"Bob (this one)" > wrote:

> Anny Middon wrote:
>
> > Bought some canning jars over the weekend, but the only half-pint ones
> > available were labelled "jelly jars." I bought them because the jar can't
> > know if it's filled with a soft spread or chopped tomatoes or pickles.

>
> Oh, the jars know. They go through special training for that. They'll
> report you. I'd be careful. If you're nice to them, they might forget it.
>
> Pastorio


Bob, I thought we told you to stay away from the ergot.. And next time
I catch you eating the moldy rye bread, I'm gonna spank you.

>
>
> > Mostly I figured that the term "jelly jar" means the waffle pattern on the
> > jar itself and the the fruit picture on the lid are designed to make jams
> > and jellies look good.
> >
> > But then I got to thinking -- when I get a pressure canner, are these jars
> > suitable for use in pressure canning? There didn't seem to a price
> > difference other than that due to size between the half-pint "jelly jars'
> > and the pint canning jars.
> >
> > Anny
> >
> >


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how much space to leave. is expansion space a function of volume?
the smaller the volume the less "head" space is needed?

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how much space to leave. is expansion space a function of volume?
the smaller the volume the less "head" space is needed?

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Blanche Nonken wrote:

> They canned beautifully, the lesser head space didn't affect the
> processing, and they work perfectly for my needs.


but 4 ounces is barely two-three bites....

B/


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Blanche Nonken wrote:

> They canned beautifully, the lesser head space didn't affect the
> processing, and they work perfectly for my needs.


but 4 ounces is barely two-three bites....

B/
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Blanche Nonken wrote:

> "Anny Middon" > wrote:
>
>
>>But then I got to thinking -- when I get a pressure canner, are these jars
>>suitable for use in pressure canning?

>
>
> I pressure-canned single-serving batches of all meat chili in 4 oz.
> jelly jars. No problem.


Oh this is a great idea! Two questions if you don't mind. Do you use
your own recipe? How long do you pressure can them for? TIA
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Blanche Nonken wrote:

> "Anny Middon" > wrote:
>
>
>>But then I got to thinking -- when I get a pressure canner, are these jars
>>suitable for use in pressure canning?

>
>
> I pressure-canned single-serving batches of all meat chili in 4 oz.
> jelly jars. No problem.


Oh this is a great idea! Two questions if you don't mind. Do you use
your own recipe? How long do you pressure can them for? TIA


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Blanche Nonken
 
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Brian Mailman > wrote:

> Blanche Nonken wrote:
>
> > They canned beautifully, the lesser head space didn't affect the
> > processing, and they work perfectly for my needs.

>
> but 4 ounces is barely two-three bites....


This is a very richly flavored chili. Made with venison neck (glatt
kosher, if you must know, from Musicon Farms), goat, and what passes for
lamb in the US. Wesley Pitt's recipe, home-grown and dried Mulato
Isleno chiles, very filling stuff. I suppose to make it the equivalent
of typical diner chili I'd add that little container to a can of red
beans, some cut up vegetables, maybe a little extra stock to distribute
the flavor. There, now it's a Full Meal.

(Besides, I like to add half or so of a diced onion and a couple ounces
of grated sharp cheddar.)

Looking forward to being stable again, so I can make more. Down to 5
little jars.
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Brian Mailman > wrote:

> Blanche Nonken wrote:
>
> > They canned beautifully, the lesser head space didn't affect the
> > processing, and they work perfectly for my needs.

>
> but 4 ounces is barely two-three bites....


This is a very richly flavored chili. Made with venison neck (glatt
kosher, if you must know, from Musicon Farms), goat, and what passes for
lamb in the US. Wesley Pitt's recipe, home-grown and dried Mulato
Isleno chiles, very filling stuff. I suppose to make it the equivalent
of typical diner chili I'd add that little container to a can of red
beans, some cut up vegetables, maybe a little extra stock to distribute
the flavor. There, now it's a Full Meal.

(Besides, I like to add half or so of a diced onion and a couple ounces
of grated sharp cheddar.)

Looking forward to being stable again, so I can make more. Down to 5
little jars.
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Anny Middon wrote:

> Bought some canning jars over the weekend, but the only half-pint ones
> available were labelled "jelly jars." I bought them because the jar can't
> know if it's filled with a soft spread or chopped tomatoes or pickles.
> Mostly I figured that the term "jelly jar" means the waffle pattern on the
> jar itself and the the fruit picture on the lid are designed to make jams
> and jellies look good.


My jelly jars don't have the waffle pattern. They have fruits and
vegetables on them and are called decorative mason jars. I'm using two
brands - Bernardin and Home Discovery.
>
> But then I got to thinking -- when I get a pressure canner, are these jars
> suitable for use in pressure canning? There didn't seem to a price
> difference other than that due to size between the half-pint "jelly jars'
> and the pint canning jars.


As long as they are mason jars, I don't see why not. Most recipes I've
seen don't give the timing pressure canning the 1/2 pints (250 ml) jars
though. I've done quite a few recipes this year using BWB and the small
jars.

BTW, I have 125 ml jars. I can't remember where I got them and I've
never seen any recipes using them. I used them for mustard one year and
last year for hot pepper jelly and storing homegrown ground herbs.
>
> Anny
>
>


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Anny Middon wrote:

> Bought some canning jars over the weekend, but the only half-pint ones
> available were labelled "jelly jars." I bought them because the jar can't
> know if it's filled with a soft spread or chopped tomatoes or pickles.
> Mostly I figured that the term "jelly jar" means the waffle pattern on the
> jar itself and the the fruit picture on the lid are designed to make jams
> and jellies look good.


My jelly jars don't have the waffle pattern. They have fruits and
vegetables on them and are called decorative mason jars. I'm using two
brands - Bernardin and Home Discovery.
>
> But then I got to thinking -- when I get a pressure canner, are these jars
> suitable for use in pressure canning? There didn't seem to a price
> difference other than that due to size between the half-pint "jelly jars'
> and the pint canning jars.


As long as they are mason jars, I don't see why not. Most recipes I've
seen don't give the timing pressure canning the 1/2 pints (250 ml) jars
though. I've done quite a few recipes this year using BWB and the small
jars.

BTW, I have 125 ml jars. I can't remember where I got them and I've
never seen any recipes using them. I used them for mustard one year and
last year for hot pepper jelly and storing homegrown ground herbs.
>
> Anny
>
>


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nutNhoney > wrote:

> Blanche Nonken wrote:
>
> > "Anny Middon" > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>But then I got to thinking -- when I get a pressure canner, are these jars
> >>suitable for use in pressure canning?

> >
> >
> > I pressure-canned single-serving batches of all meat chili in 4 oz.
> > jelly jars. No problem.

>
> Oh this is a great idea! Two questions if you don't mind. Do you use
> your own recipe? How long do you pressure can them for? TIA


I use Wesley Pitts' chili recipe, if you google on his name you'll
almost certainly find a copy somewhere.

As for timing, I use the times for pints, tomato sauce with meat. I
stack the jars two or three deep, in my experience the timing is
appropriate. (I forget the exact time, and the book's packed away in a
box now.)


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nutNhoney > wrote:

> Blanche Nonken wrote:
>
> > "Anny Middon" > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>But then I got to thinking -- when I get a pressure canner, are these jars
> >>suitable for use in pressure canning?

> >
> >
> > I pressure-canned single-serving batches of all meat chili in 4 oz.
> > jelly jars. No problem.

>
> Oh this is a great idea! Two questions if you don't mind. Do you use
> your own recipe? How long do you pressure can them for? TIA


I use Wesley Pitts' chili recipe, if you google on his name you'll
almost certainly find a copy somewhere.

As for timing, I use the times for pints, tomato sauce with meat. I
stack the jars two or three deep, in my experience the timing is
appropriate. (I forget the exact time, and the book's packed away in a
box now.)
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Blanche Nonken wrote:
> nutNhoney > wrote:
>
>
>>Blanche Nonken wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Anny Middon" > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>But then I got to thinking -- when I get a pressure canner, are these jars
>>>>suitable for use in pressure canning?
>>>
>>>
>>>I pressure-canned single-serving batches of all meat chili in 4 oz.
>>>jelly jars. No problem.

>>
>>Oh this is a great idea! Two questions if you don't mind. Do you use
>>your own recipe? How long do you pressure can them for? TIA

>
>
> I use Wesley Pitts' chili recipe, if you google on his name you'll
> almost certainly find a copy somewhere.
>
> As for timing, I use the times for pints, tomato sauce with meat. I
> stack the jars two or three deep, in my experience the timing is
> appropriate. (I forget the exact time, and the book's packed away in a
> box now.)



Probably 75 minutes. I bet 60 or 65 minutes would be OK for those tiny
jars.

Bob
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Blanche Nonken wrote:
> nutNhoney > wrote:
>
>
>>Blanche Nonken wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Anny Middon" > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>But then I got to thinking -- when I get a pressure canner, are these jars
>>>>suitable for use in pressure canning?
>>>
>>>
>>>I pressure-canned single-serving batches of all meat chili in 4 oz.
>>>jelly jars. No problem.

>>
>>Oh this is a great idea! Two questions if you don't mind. Do you use
>>your own recipe? How long do you pressure can them for? TIA

>
>
> I use Wesley Pitts' chili recipe, if you google on his name you'll
> almost certainly find a copy somewhere.
>
> As for timing, I use the times for pints, tomato sauce with meat. I
> stack the jars two or three deep, in my experience the timing is
> appropriate. (I forget the exact time, and the book's packed away in a
> box now.)



Probably 75 minutes. I bet 60 or 65 minutes would be OK for those tiny
jars.

Bob
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zxcvbob > wrote:

> Probably 75 minutes. I bet 60 or 65 minutes would be OK for those tiny
> jars.


That sounds about right. Thanks!
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zxcvbob > wrote:

> Probably 75 minutes. I bet 60 or 65 minutes would be OK for those tiny
> jars.


That sounds about right. Thanks!


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Blanche Nonken wrote:

> Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>
>>In article >,
wrote:
>>
>>>"Bob (this one)" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Anny Middon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Bought some canning jars over the weekend, but the only half-pint
>>>>>ones available were labelled "jelly jars." I bought them because
>>>>>the jar can't know if it's filled with a soft spread or chopped
>>>>>tomatoes or pickles.

>>
>>>>Oh, the jars know. They go through special training for that. They'll
>>>>report you. I'd be careful. If you're nice to them, they might forget
>>>>it.
>>>>
>>>>Pastorio
>>>
>>>Bob, I thought we told you to stay away from the ergot.. And next time
>>>I catch you eating the moldy rye bread, I'm gonna spank you.

>>
>>Anything but that, Blanche. Anything! He likes it too much. Think
>>Br'er Rabbit in the briar patch.

>
> OK, then - I won't spank him. No spankings until you shape up, Bob!


Damn. I hate it when you guys get together and compare notes...

And I was looking forward to an, um, attitude correction.

Pastorio

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Blanche Nonken wrote:

> Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>
>>In article >,
wrote:
>>
>>>"Bob (this one)" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Anny Middon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Bought some canning jars over the weekend, but the only half-pint
>>>>>ones available were labelled "jelly jars." I bought them because
>>>>>the jar can't know if it's filled with a soft spread or chopped
>>>>>tomatoes or pickles.

>>
>>>>Oh, the jars know. They go through special training for that. They'll
>>>>report you. I'd be careful. If you're nice to them, they might forget
>>>>it.
>>>>
>>>>Pastorio
>>>
>>>Bob, I thought we told you to stay away from the ergot.. And next time
>>>I catch you eating the moldy rye bread, I'm gonna spank you.

>>
>>Anything but that, Blanche. Anything! He likes it too much. Think
>>Br'er Rabbit in the briar patch.

>
> OK, then - I won't spank him. No spankings until you shape up, Bob!


Damn. I hate it when you guys get together and compare notes...

And I was looking forward to an, um, attitude correction.

Pastorio

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Blanche Nonken wrote:

> Brian Mailman > wrote:
>
>> Blanche Nonken wrote:
>>
>> > They canned beautifully, the lesser head space didn't affect the
>> > processing, and they work perfectly for my needs.

>>
>> but 4 ounces is barely two-three bites....

>
> This is a very richly flavored chili. Made with venison neck (glatt
> kosher, if you must know, from Musicon Farms),


I had no doubt... you know about http://www.kosherbison.com if you want
kosher "exotics"?

> goat, and what passes for lamb in the US.


It's hoggett, I'm told. A teen-ish animal.

> Wesley Pitt's recipe, home-grown and dried Mulato
> Isleno chiles, very filling stuff. I suppose to make it the equivalent
> of typical diner chili I'd add that little container to a can of red
> beans, some cut up vegetables, maybe a little extra stock to distribute
> the flavor. There, now it's a Full Meal.


Well, OK.

> (Besides, I like to add half or so of a diced onion and a couple ounces
> of grated sharp cheddar.)


A-hem. Cheddar on glatt venison?

> Looking forward to being stable again, so I can make more. Down to 5
> little jars.


It does sound good.

B/
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Blanche Nonken wrote:

> Brian Mailman > wrote:
>
>> Blanche Nonken wrote:
>>
>> > They canned beautifully, the lesser head space didn't affect the
>> > processing, and they work perfectly for my needs.

>>
>> but 4 ounces is barely two-three bites....

>
> This is a very richly flavored chili. Made with venison neck (glatt
> kosher, if you must know, from Musicon Farms),


I had no doubt... you know about http://www.kosherbison.com if you want
kosher "exotics"?

> goat, and what passes for lamb in the US.


It's hoggett, I'm told. A teen-ish animal.

> Wesley Pitt's recipe, home-grown and dried Mulato
> Isleno chiles, very filling stuff. I suppose to make it the equivalent
> of typical diner chili I'd add that little container to a can of red
> beans, some cut up vegetables, maybe a little extra stock to distribute
> the flavor. There, now it's a Full Meal.


Well, OK.

> (Besides, I like to add half or so of a diced onion and a couple ounces
> of grated sharp cheddar.)


A-hem. Cheddar on glatt venison?

> Looking forward to being stable again, so I can make more. Down to 5
> little jars.


It does sound good.

B/
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> >>>Oh, the jars know. They go through special training for that. They'll
> >>>report you. I'd be careful. If you're nice to them, they might forget
> >>>it.
> >>>
> >>>Pastorio
> >>
> >>Bob, I thought we told you to stay away from the ergot.. And next time
> >>I catch you eating the moldy rye bread, I'm gonna spank you.

> >
> > Anything but that, Blanche. Anything! He likes it too much. Think
> > Br'er Rabbit in the briar patch.

>
> "PLEEZE don't beet me with that thar wooden spoon. ANYTHIN' but that."
>
> Best regards,
> Bob


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