Beginning rant of the day

What's this latest trend, at least among some chain grocereterias up
here in the frozen midwest? Seems to have just sprouted.

So, stores sell cloth bags, mostly green color, of course. One or two
bucks each.
Oh yes, they are "8 percent" post consumer recycled materials in their
manufacture." Ogee!

btw -- what is "eco friendly" Wouldn't that be "enviro-friendly?" Or
is it more truthfully economically friendly? And for whom?

Isn't that nice and environmentally conscious of these stores.
Hmmm? Lessee .....

1) The store makes money off the sale of these bags.

2) The store gets free advertising from their names printed all over
the bags.

3) The stores make you (not me) feel 'really good' about saving the
environment. (read, more advertising).

4) The stores save money by spending less on new paper or plastic
bags for us suckers...er, environmentally conscious customers.

5) And, five, "Ah say FIVE!" As I realized on my last shopping
trip, the store makes further money when I have to buy a box or roll
of new plastic trash bags to replace the ones when I used to use
mostly the used grocery bags for my garbage.

6) And after two uses, I predict these quasi-cloth bags will fall
apart after about 6 uses.

Harrumph!! (tm)

A sucker born every minute. And I was born millions of minutes ago,
and I still fell for it.

Ending rant of the day

LOL!!! ok, sharing in on the rant....

1) there are several smaller cities outright banning the use of plastic
bags. So those people will have to find (read that 'buy') something else to
get their groceries home

2) Those plastic grocery bins (also green, although some are black and even
purple) have been around for years, and people bought those. The grocery
stores even remodelled their carts to accommodate the bins.

3) I can pay 5 cents a bag if I want one at Price Choppers or use a
cardboard box that the store got their merchandise in. The cardboard box is
then recycled at my house.

4) you are right - the cloth bags are a cash grab for sure. It used to be
that the store spent thousands on bags and that was factored in to the price
of your groceries. Now we are the one spending money on the cloth bags and
the price of the plastic ones are still factored in to the price of the
groceries.

5) just last week, the owner of the store I work in told me that he spent
$70,000.00 on plastic bags last year.

6) I think it's just another 'easy' way for people to feel that they are
making a difference in the environment. Even if it's just reducing your
garbage. I do what you do - bring my groceries home in plastic bags, save
them, and use them for garbage bags. I have to admit though, I did buy one
cloth bag...hey, it was only 99 cents!

Kathi



" wrote in message
...
Beginning rant of the day

What's this latest trend, at least among some chain grocereterias up
here in the frozen midwest? Seems to have just sprouted.

So, stores sell cloth bags, mostly green color, of course. One or two
bucks each.
Oh yes, they are "8 percent" post consumer recycled materials in their
manufacture." Ogee!

btw -- what is "eco friendly" Wouldn't that be "enviro-friendly?" Or
is it more truthfully economically friendly? And for whom?

Isn't that nice and environmentally conscious of these stores.
Hmmm? Lessee .....

1) The store makes money off the sale of these bags.

2) The store gets free advertising from their names printed all over
the bags.

3) The stores make you (not me) feel 'really good' about saving the
environment. (read, more advertising).

4) The stores save money by spending less on new paper or plastic
bags for us suckers...er, environmentally conscious customers.

5) And, five, "Ah say FIVE!" As I realized on my last shopping
trip, the store makes further money when I have to buy a box or roll
of new plastic trash bags to replace the ones when I used to use
mostly the used grocery bags for my garbage.

6) And after two uses, I predict these quasi-cloth bags will fall
apart after about 6 uses.

Harrumph!! (tm)

A sucker born every minute. And I was born millions of minutes ago,
and I still fell for it.

Ending rant of the day

Kathi Jones wrote:

LOL!!! ok, sharing in on the rant....

1) there are several smaller cities outright banning the use of plastic
bags. So those people will have to find (read that 'buy') something else to
get their groceries home

2) Those plastic grocery bins (also green, although some are black and even
purple) have been around for years, and people bought those. The grocery
stores even remodelled their carts to accommodate the bins.

3) I can pay 5 cents a bag if I want one at Price Choppers or use a
cardboard box that the store got their merchandise in. The cardboard box is
then recycled at my house.

4) you are right - the cloth bags are a cash grab for sure. It used to be
that the store spent thousands on bags and that was factored in to the price
of your groceries. Now we are the one spending money on the cloth bags and
the price of the plastic ones are still factored in to the price of the
groceries.

5) just last week, the owner of the store I work in told me that he spent
$70,000.00 on plastic bags last year.

6) I think it's just another 'easy' way for people to feel that they are
making a difference in the environment. Even if it's just reducing your
garbage. I do what you do - bring my groceries home in plastic bags, save
them, and use them for garbage bags. I have to admit though, I did buy one
cloth bag...hey, it was only 99 cents!

Kathi



" wrote in message
...
Beginning rant of the day

What's this latest trend, at least among some chain grocereterias up
here in the frozen midwest? Seems to have just sprouted.

So, stores sell cloth bags, mostly green color, of course. One or two
bucks each.
Oh yes, they are "8 percent" post consumer recycled materials in their
manufacture." Ogee!

btw -- what is "eco friendly" Wouldn't that be "enviro-friendly?" Or
is it more truthfully economically friendly? And for whom?

Isn't that nice and environmentally conscious of these stores.
Hmmm? Lessee .....

1) The store makes money off the sale of these bags.

2) The store gets free advertising from their names printed all over
the bags.

3) The stores make you (not me) feel 'really good' about saving the
environment. (read, more advertising).

4) The stores save money by spending less on new paper or plastic
bags for us suckers...er, environmentally conscious customers.

5) And, five, "Ah say FIVE!" As I realized on my last shopping
trip, the store makes further money when I have to buy a box or roll
of new plastic trash bags to replace the ones when I used to use
mostly the used grocery bags for my garbage.

6) And after two uses, I predict these quasi-cloth bags will fall
apart after about 6 uses.

Harrumph!! (tm)

A sucker born every minute. And I was born millions of minutes ago,
and I still fell for it.

Ending rant of the day

I bought a couple of the heavy canvas bags one of
the local chain grocery stores were selling about 15
years ago, and they're holding up just fine. They
cost $5 each back then, but the store did a 4 cents/
use per bag rebate over the years each time you use
them. The rebate just went up to 5 cents each last
summer.

They now are selling those 99 cent bags you described.
I bought 5 for $4 on a special. Gave one bag to a
friend, and I use the other four for stuff like yarn.
I agree that they don't look like they'd hold up under
heavy use. For crafty items or light use, they're okay.

I still get the plastic bags at other grocery stores,
as you folks do, use them as garbage bags or to clean
up after the kitty. I just wish those stores would
learn to put more than one or two items in each bag.

Bottom line: a nickel back each time I use the bags
adds up over time, but I wouldn't want to see the
banning of plastic (or paper) bags since they're
reusable too. Even a good idea can be overdone.

Nyssa, who recycles but isn't a fanatic about it

" wrote in message
...
Beginning rant of the day

What's this latest trend, at least among some chain grocereterias up
here in the frozen midwest? Seems to have just sprouted.

So, stores sell cloth bags, mostly green color, of course. One or two
bucks each.
Oh yes, they are "8 percent" post consumer recycled materials in their
manufacture." Ogee!

btw -- what is "eco friendly" Wouldn't that be "enviro-friendly?" Or
is it more truthfully economically friendly? And for whom?

Isn't that nice and environmentally conscious of these stores.
Hmmm? Lessee .....

1) The store makes money off the sale of these bags.

2) The store gets free advertising from their names printed all over
the bags.

3) The stores make you (not me) feel 'really good' about saving the
environment. (read, more advertising).

4) The stores save money by spending less on new paper or plastic
bags for us suckers...er, environmentally conscious customers.

5) And, five, "Ah say FIVE!" As I realized on my last shopping
trip, the store makes further money when I have to buy a box or roll
of new plastic trash bags to replace the ones when I used to use
mostly the used grocery bags for my garbage.

6) And after two uses, I predict these quasi-cloth bags will fall
apart after about 6 uses.

Harrumph!! (tm)

A sucker born every minute. And I was born millions of minutes ago,
and I still fell for it.

Ending rant of the day
I bought three of those bags fron publix with thier name on them for .99ea
. So far they're holding up very well, I've even put them through the wash
and they're still good. My problem is that I keep forgeting to through
them in the truck and end up bringing home the plastic bags anyhow. I also
re-use the other plastic bags I get.
When I go to the video store I keep using the same bag until it rips open, I
take back the plasic bag the pharmacy puts my prescriptions in. All in all,
I've kept thousands of bags out of the landfills, lakes and streams. It's
worth the money and the effort to me if I keep one duck from being drug to
the bottom of the lake, one fish getting it's gills tangled in the handle of
a plastic bag or starving because tried to eat a bag because it thought it
was a jellyfish.
These are just my thoughts, I don't relate it to money, I do it because it's
the right thing to do. It's my Country and I want it to be clean.

binarybill wrote:
" wrote in message
...
Beginning rant of the day

What's this latest trend, at least among some chain grocereterias up
here in the frozen midwest? Seems to have just sprouted.

So, stores sell cloth bags, mostly green color, of course. One or two
bucks each.
Oh yes, they are "8 percent" post consumer recycled materials in their
manufacture." Ogee!

btw -- what is "eco friendly" Wouldn't that be "enviro-friendly?" Or
is it more truthfully economically friendly? And for whom?

Isn't that nice and environmentally conscious of these stores.
Hmmm? Lessee .....

1) The store makes money off the sale of these bags.

2) The store gets free advertising from their names printed all over
the bags.

3) The stores make you (not me) feel 'really good' about saving the
environment. (read, more advertising).

4) The stores save money by spending less on new paper or plastic
bags for us suckers...er, environmentally conscious customers.

5) And, five, "Ah say FIVE!" As I realized on my last shopping
trip, the store makes further money when I have to buy a box or roll
of new plastic trash bags to replace the ones when I used to use
mostly the used grocery bags for my garbage.

6) And after two uses, I predict these quasi-cloth bags will fall
apart after about 6 uses.

Harrumph!! (tm)

A sucker born every minute. And I was born millions of minutes ago,
and I still fell for it.

Ending rant of the day
I bought three of those bags fron publix with thier name on them for .99ea
. So far they're holding up very well, I've even put them through the wash
and they're still good. My problem is that I keep forgeting to through
them in the truck and end up bringing home the plastic bags anyhow. I also
re-use the other plastic bags I get.
When I go to the video store I keep using the same bag until it rips open, I
take back the plasic bag the pharmacy puts my prescriptions in. All in all,
I've kept thousands of bags out of the landfills, lakes and streams. It's
worth the money and the effort to me if I keep one duck from being drug to
the bottom of the lake, one fish getting it's gills tangled in the handle of
a plastic bag or starving because tried to eat a bag because it thought it
was a jellyfish.
These are just my thoughts, I don't relate it to money, I do it because it's
the right thing to do. It's my Country and I want it to be clean.


As a matter of fact most supermarkets that use plastic bags also have a
bin near the entry door for you to return the bags for recycling. They
don't care whose name is on the bag just that it's plastic. I even put
in the wee bags my daily paper comes in plus all those from the
drugstore, etc. They all get turned into new shopping bags.

Ever wonder why the markets often have bags that are dingy brown?
They're recycled plastic.

George

wrote:
Beginning rant of the day

What's this latest trend, at least among some chain grocereterias up
here in the frozen midwest? Seems to have just sprouted.

So, stores sell cloth bags, mostly green color, of course. One or two
bucks each.

Ours are usually 69 cents. Sometimes 99.

1) The store makes money off the sale of these bags.

2) The store gets free advertising from their names printed all over
the bags.

Mine don't have advertising on them.


3) The stores make you (not me) feel 'really good' about saving the
environment. (read, more advertising).

4) The stores save money by spending less on new paper or plastic
bags for us suckers...er, environmentally conscious customers.

My store gives me five cents off for each bag I use, every time, and
I use them far more often than the 14 or so times it takes to pay
for them.


5) And, five, "Ah say FIVE!" As I realized on my last shopping
trip, the store makes further money when I have to buy a box or roll
of new plastic trash bags to replace the ones when I used to use
mostly the used grocery bags for my garbage.

I do sometimes forget my green bags, and then I ask for paper ones,
because I use those in the recycling bin.


6) And after two uses, I predict these quasi-cloth bags will fall
apart after about 6 uses.

So far, mine have lasted an average of six months or longer. The one
I carry every day with my junk in it (like a purse, almost) has
lasted three months with daily use.

I like 'em.

Serene

"binarybill" wrote in message
...

These are just my thoughts, I don't relate it to money, I do it because
it's
the right thing to do. It's my Country and I want it to be clean.


I just don't even bother with bags at all. I only buy 2 -3 items from the
grocery store at a time, I just go to the grocery store whenever I run out
of something. I usually take the 5 mile trip to the grocery store about
3-4 times a day. In my SUV. In congested city traffic where I idle most
of the way there and back.

After all, what's the point of FREEDOM if you can't burn up gasoline
like it's going out of style!





;-)

Ted

On Jan 23, 4:52*pm, George Shirley wrote:
binarybill wrote:
" wrote in message
...
Beginning rant of the day

What's this latest trend, at least among some chain grocereterias up
here in the frozen midwest? * Seems to have just sprouted.

So, stores sell cloth bags, *mostly green color, of course. One or two
bucks each.
Oh yes, they are "8 percent" post consumer recycled materials in their
manufacture." *Ogee!

btw -- what is "eco friendly" *Wouldn't that be "enviro-friendly?" *Or
is it more truthfully economically friendly? * And for whom?

Isn't that nice and environmentally conscious of these stores.
Hmmm? * * Lessee .....

1) *The store makes money off the sale of these bags.

2) *The store gets free advertising from their names printed all over
the bags.

3) *The stores make you (not me) feel 'really good' about saving the
environment. *(read, more advertising).

4) *The stores save money by spending less on new paper or plastic
bags for us suckers...er, environmentally conscious customers.

5) *And, five, "Ah say FIVE!" * As I realized on my last shopping
trip, the store makes further money when I have to buy a box or roll
of new plastic trash *bags to replace the ones when I used to use
mostly the used grocery bags for my garbage.

6) And after two uses, I predict these quasi-cloth bags will fall
apart after about 6 uses.

Harrumph!! (tm)

A sucker born every minute. *And I was born millions of minutes ago,
and I still fell for it.

Ending rant of the day
I bought three of those bags fron publix with thier name on them for .99ea
. So far they're holding up very well, I've even put them through the wash
and they're still good. My problem is that I keep forgeting to through
them in the truck and end up bringing home the plastic bags anyhow. I also
re-use the other plastic bags I get.
When I go to the video store I keep using the same bag until it rips open, I
take back the plasic bag the pharmacy puts my prescriptions in. All in all,
I've kept thousands of bags out of the landfills, lakes and streams. It's
worth the money and the effort to me if I keep one duck from being drug to
the bottom of the lake, one fish getting it's gills tangled in the handle of
a plastic bag or starving because tried to eat a bag because it thought it
was a jellyfish.
These are just my thoughts, I don't relate it to money, I do it because it's
the right thing to do. It's my Country and I want it to be clean.

As a matter of fact most supermarkets that use plastic bags also have a
bin near the entry door for you to return the bags for recycling. They
don't care whose name is on the bag just that it's plastic. I even put
in the wee bags my daily paper comes in plus all those from the
drugstore, etc. They all get turned into new shopping bags.

Ever wonder why the markets often have bags that are dingy brown?
They're recycled plastic.

George- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Never come across the dingy brown bags, just bright white.
Somewhere I read that the 'recycled' bags things doesn't result in new
bags -- would cost too much. This article said they get chopped up
into "plastic confetti" and used as part of the ingredients in things
like asphalt, linoleum tiles, etc. The suggestionw as that new
plastic out of old, just like new paper out of old, costs more to
produce, is lower quality, and both items, to be recycled, pollute the
environment more just from the chemicals and waste used in the
process.

shrug Just what I read. I'm no expert - don't get paid enough to
be.

On Jan 22, 8:27*pm, " wrote:
Beginning rant of the day

What's this latest trend, at least among some chain grocereterias up
here in the frozen midwest? * Seems to have just sprouted.
Harrumph!! (tm)

A sucker born every minute. *And I was born millions of minutes ago,
and I still fell for it.

Ending rant of the day

Barb sent me a reply, offline. But I can't reply because of a mail
blocker. So I'll answer here, but not quote your message if you
didn't want it public.

Thanks for the offer, but I already have a bunch. I'm just exercising
my perogative to be the resident old curmudgeon and point out
institutional and commercial obfuscation. (love that word)

btw -- your "Le bon temps" sig -- I just returned from New
Orleans. The best cloth bags are the simple duffel with handle and
zipper closure. Packed flat on way out, stuffed with laundry and
checked separately on return trip. Maybe hoping the simple cloth
checked bag will get lost, so I can make a claim and then buy
replacements for those dirty clothes. ;-Q

On Jan 22, 8:27 pm, " wrote:
Beginning rant of the day

What's this latest trend, at least among some chain grocereterias up
here in the frozen midwest? Seems to have just sprouted.

So, stores sell cloth bags, mostly green color, of course. One or two
bucks each.
Oh yes, they are "8 percent" post consumer recycled materials in their
manufacture." Ogee!

btw -- what is "eco friendly" Wouldn't that be "enviro-friendly?" Or
is it more truthfully economically friendly? And for whom?

Isn't that nice and environmentally conscious of these stores.
Hmmm? Lessee .....

1) The store makes money off the sale of these bags.

2) The store gets free advertising from their names printed all over
the bags.

3) The stores make you (not me) feel 'really good' about saving the
environment. (read, more advertising).

4) The stores save money by spending less on new paper or plastic
bags for us suckers...er, environmentally conscious customers.

5) And, five, "Ah say FIVE!" As I realized on my last shopping
trip, the store makes further money when I have to buy a box or roll
of new plastic trash bags to replace the ones when I used to use
mostly the used grocery bags for my garbage.

6) And after two uses, I predict these quasi-cloth bags will fall
apart after about 6 uses.

Harrumph!! (tm)

A sucker born every minute. And I was born millions of minutes ago,
and I still fell for it.

Ending rant of the day


OK, hafta add one more item to da list:

Got to looking at the label inside the bag. Made from "non-woven
polypropyline." Did a search. That's plastic! SO they're selling
me a heavy plastic bag to use in place of their other plastic bags.
Wonder how long these green bags will last in a land fill. (To
t'other poster: No, I've never seen fish swimming in a landfill with
their heads trapped in a bag handle.

OK, I'll crawl back into my cave now, and reheat my dinner in my Fred
Flintstone microwave oven. Came back from visiting my mother, Mrs
Clean. She has discovered microwavable frozen french fries, packaged
in foil-lined cardboard sleeves. I once showed her how to make pizza
from scratch, using simple slices of bread. "Oh, that's too much
trouble. And you're using too many dishes to make them. "

knocking head against wall
That's why I taught myself to cook at an early age.