"Kathi Jones" wrote in message
...
(big snip)

I am not sure what a redneck is.




Originally referred to backwood farmers whose necks were red because they
always had their heads down while hoeing crops and the backs of ther
necks were sunburned.

Have you ever seen the American comedian Jeff Foxworthy, he does
"redneck" humor. Nowadays redneck infers that that person is backwards
and ignorant. Not always true though. HTH

George

I love Jeff Foxworthy! His redneck jokes are so funny. I too, on
occasion have fallen in to his category of a redneck. That is to say,
there have been times that if I cut the grass...I'd find a car......

Anyway......I work at the grocery store where I shop, now. I started
working there in August and I'm still getting to know everyone - there are
allot of people working there! The problem is, there is a store policy
that says something like, if it's garbage, it's garbage. I work at the
fast food counter where we have 4 pots of soup out during the lunch hour.
If the soup doesn't sell, it goes in to the garbage. No if's, and's, or
but's!!! This amazes me and I don't understand the policy. Like...why
not let me take it home? or why not let the local soup kitchen/homeless
shelter come and get it? I suppose there's a reason - health inspections
or regulations or whatever...but I don't agree with it. There is an
INCREDIBLE amount of waste in the grocery business - so much food that
could be salvaged, but isn't. It's a shame. And thus, the prices go
up..............

So I'm still trying to get to know the meat and produce guys anyway, just
in case we can work something out....

Kathi




Kathi,
When I worked at the grocery, I started in the deli, which included premade
'hot' foods. The state regulated what could and could not be sold and we
had to be ServSafe (cleanliness, sanitation training, etc) trained. The
rationale behind the soup is that it cannot be served under 160 F degrees,
if while in the pot it drops below, it has to be tossed. If a pot of soup
sits out more than four hours on the warmer, again, it has to be tossed.
Supposedly botulism and other baddies would grow if kept out longer. Same
with the prepped chicken, fish patties, fries, weinies (all deep fried) and
pizza, four hours and it hits the can. The chicken could be pulled and
chilled and put out a refridgerated at the same price, though, I never could
figure that one out.....if you couldn't eat it four and half hours old hot,
how come you could eat it up to a day later chilled. If it went bad in
those four hours it was hot, it would still be bad when the same chicken was
sold chilled. It's a racket, but one that would get them sued if they did
any different.
-ginny

Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
"Kathi Jones" wrote in message
...
(big snip)

I am not sure what a redneck is.




Originally referred to backwood farmers whose necks were red because they
always had their heads down while hoeing crops and the backs of ther
necks were sunburned.

Have you ever seen the American comedian Jeff Foxworthy, he does
"redneck" humor. Nowadays redneck infers that that person is backwards
and ignorant. Not always true though. HTH

George
I love Jeff Foxworthy! His redneck jokes are so funny. I too, on
occasion have fallen in to his category of a redneck. That is to say,
there have been times that if I cut the grass...I'd find a car......

Anyway......I work at the grocery store where I shop, now. I started
working there in August and I'm still getting to know everyone - there are
allot of people working there! The problem is, there is a store policy
that says something like, if it's garbage, it's garbage. I work at the
fast food counter where we have 4 pots of soup out during the lunch hour.
If the soup doesn't sell, it goes in to the garbage. No if's, and's, or
but's!!! This amazes me and I don't understand the policy. Like...why
not let me take it home? or why not let the local soup kitchen/homeless
shelter come and get it? I suppose there's a reason - health inspections
or regulations or whatever...but I don't agree with it. There is an
INCREDIBLE amount of waste in the grocery business - so much food that
could be salvaged, but isn't. It's a shame. And thus, the prices go
up..............

So I'm still trying to get to know the meat and produce guys anyway, just
in case we can work something out....

Kathi




Kathi,
When I worked at the grocery, I started in the deli, which included premade
'hot' foods. The state regulated what could and could not be sold and we
had to be ServSafe (cleanliness, sanitation training, etc) trained. The
rationale behind the soup is that it cannot be served under 160 F degrees,
if while in the pot it drops below, it has to be tossed. If a pot of soup
sits out more than four hours on the warmer, again, it has to be tossed.
Supposedly botulism and other baddies would grow if kept out longer. Same
with the prepped chicken, fish patties, fries, weinies (all deep fried) and
pizza, four hours and it hits the can. The chicken could be pulled and
chilled and put out a refridgerated at the same price, though, I never could
figure that one out.....if you couldn't eat it four and half hours old hot,
how come you could eat it up to a day later chilled. If it went bad in
those four hours it was hot, it would still be bad when the same chicken was
sold chilled. It's a racket, but one that would get them sued if they did
any different.
-ginny


And, IIRC, the rules change from state to state.

George

"Virginia Tadrzynski" wrote in message
...

"Kathi Jones" wrote in message
...
(big snip)

I am not sure what a redneck is.




Originally referred to backwood farmers whose necks were red because
they always had their heads down while hoeing crops and the backs of
ther necks were sunburned.

Have you ever seen the American comedian Jeff Foxworthy, he does
"redneck" humor. Nowadays redneck infers that that person is backwards
and ignorant. Not always true though. HTH

George

I love Jeff Foxworthy! His redneck jokes are so funny. I too, on
occasion have fallen in to his category of a redneck. That is to say,
there have been times that if I cut the grass...I'd find a car......

Anyway......I work at the grocery store where I shop, now. I started
working there in August and I'm still getting to know everyone - there
are allot of people working there! The problem is, there is a store
policy that says something like, if it's garbage, it's garbage. I work
at the fast food counter where we have 4 pots of soup out during the
lunch hour. If the soup doesn't sell, it goes in to the garbage. No
if's, and's, or but's!!! This amazes me and I don't understand the
policy. Like...why not let me take it home? or why not let the local
soup kitchen/homeless shelter come and get it? I suppose there's a
reason - health inspections or regulations or whatever...but I don't
agree with it. There is an INCREDIBLE amount of waste in the grocery
business - so much food that could be salvaged, but isn't. It's a shame.
And thus, the prices go up..............

So I'm still trying to get to know the meat and produce guys anyway, just
in case we can work something out....

Kathi




Kathi,
When I worked at the grocery, I started in the deli, which included
premade 'hot' foods. The state regulated what could and could not be sold
and we had to be ServSafe (cleanliness, sanitation training, etc) trained.
The rationale behind the soup is that it cannot be served under 160 F
degrees, if while in the pot it drops below, it has to be tossed. If a
pot of soup sits out more than four hours on the warmer, again, it has to
be tossed. Supposedly botulism and other baddies would grow if kept out
longer. Same with the prepped chicken, fish patties, fries, weinies (all
deep fried) and pizza, four hours and it hits the can. The chicken could
be pulled and chilled and put out a refridgerated at the same price,
though, I never could figure that one out.....if you couldn't eat it four
and half hours old hot, how come you could eat it up to a day later
chilled. If it went bad in those four hours it was hot, it would still be
bad when the same chicken was sold chilled. It's a racket, but one that
would get them sued if they did any different.
-ginny



Hi Ginny,
I'm starting to understand all the reasons why stuff has to be tossed and
can't be taken home 'for free' by staff. It's still really unfortunate -
allot of the food that gets tossed, is still good.
Kathi

Hi! My name is Cathy and I lurk a lot...

I noticed you all were discussing Jeff Foxworthy. He wrote a
particularly sensitive and accurate description of a redneck. "Redneck"
per Foxworthy, "means a glorious absence of sophistication".

I am from South Texas and I am a full-fledged redneck. It's true we do
take a lot of grief from "ignernt" folks who think we are all a bunch of
podunks... Rural Southerners definitely have a distinct way of
thinking, and for the most part, we don't subscribe to the politically
correct ways of society. I mean, we don't set out to insult anyone, but
we can be painfully blunt and honest. But, we always heard that's a
good thing.

We have a "Say what you mean and mean what you say" attitude. It's a
plainspokenness that gains us the dullerd reputation, I suspect.

While some of us have a few teeth missing and date our cousins, others
among us hold doctorates.... If you are in a confrontation where you
wished like heck you had someone to watch your back, you'd better hope
it's a redneck.

We are not a stupid bunch, although some of the more uneducated give us
a bad name... We are a pretty great bunch of citizens. In a disaster,
we are the first on the scene to help, if threatened, we are among the
first there to defend. We think we have a decent handle on what's right
& wrong and teach our kids accordingly. We want them to grow up to be
good little rednecks, too!

Anyway, I thought I would pipe in and put in my two cents. Nice group
you have here!

Cathy from Texas




http://community.webtv.net/CATHYM55/ComeandvisitCathys

Cathy N wrote:
Hi! My name is Cathy and I lurk a lot...

I noticed you all were discussing Jeff Foxworthy. He wrote a
particularly sensitive and accurate description of a redneck. "Redneck"
per Foxworthy, "means a glorious absence of sophistication".

I am from South Texas and I am a full-fledged redneck. It's true we do
take a lot of grief from "ignernt" folks who think we are all a bunch of
podunks... Rural Southerners definitely have a distinct way of
thinking, and for the most part, we don't subscribe to the politically
correct ways of society. I mean, we don't set out to insult anyone, but
we can be painfully blunt and honest. But, we always heard that's a
good thing.

We have a "Say what you mean and mean what you say" attitude. It's a
plainspokenness that gains us the dullerd reputation, I suspect.

While some of us have a few teeth missing and date our cousins, others
among us hold doctorates.... If you are in a confrontation where you
wished like heck you had someone to watch your back, you'd better hope
it's a redneck.

We are not a stupid bunch, although some of the more uneducated give us
a bad name... We are a pretty great bunch of citizens. In a disaster,
we are the first on the scene to help, if threatened, we are among the
first there to defend. We think we have a decent handle on what's right
& wrong and teach our kids accordingly. We want them to grow up to be
good little rednecks, too!

Anyway, I thought I would pipe in and put in my two cents. Nice group
you have here!

Cathy from Texas




http://community.webtv.net/CATHYM55/ComeandvisitCathys

Welcome Cathy, don't lurk, preserve something. I'm a Native Texan who
currently lives in darkest Loosyanna. Lived all over Texas for most of
my life, at least in the parts where there's oll, that's oil to the
Yankees. Lived in Corpus Christi for awhile and hunted all over South Texas.

What breed of goat is that you have? There's a whole herd of them with
the brown heads and white bodies about three miles from our house, good
looking critters. We used to raise Nubian goats eons ago, good milkers
and threw tasty kids too.

Do you raise any of your own food and put it by for hard times? Living
in town for the past twenty years we grow about 80% of our own food on a
city lot and that includes nine fruit trees.

I know what you mean about educated rednecks, I are one too. Ophelia had
asked the question and she's a Brit, one of those from Yorkshire, the
ones the other Brits joke about like the city folk joke about us rednecks.

George

Cathy N wrote:
Hi! My name is Cathy and I lurk a lot...

I noticed you all were discussing Jeff Foxworthy. He wrote a
particularly sensitive and accurate description of a redneck.
"Redneck" per Foxworthy, "means a glorious absence of sophistication".

I am from South Texas and I am a full-fledged redneck. It's true we
do take a lot of grief from "ignernt" folks who think we are all a
bunch of podunks... Rural Southerners definitely have a distinct way
of thinking, and for the most part, we don't subscribe to the
politically correct ways of society. I mean, we don't set out to
insult anyone, but we can be painfully blunt and honest. But, we
always heard that's a good thing.

We have a "Say what you mean and mean what you say" attitude. It's a
plainspokenness that gains us the dullerd reputation, I suspect.

While some of us have a few teeth missing and date our cousins, others
among us hold doctorates.... If you are in a confrontation where you
wished like heck you had someone to watch your back, you'd better hope
it's a redneck.

We are not a stupid bunch, although some of the more uneducated give
us a bad name... We are a pretty great bunch of citizens. In a
disaster, we are the first on the scene to help, if threatened, we
are among the first there to defend. We think we have a decent
handle on what's right & wrong and teach our kids accordingly. We
want them to grow up to be good little rednecks, too!

Anyway, I thought I would pipe in and put in my two cents. Nice group
you have here!

Cathy from Texas

What a lovely post Thank you Cathy

btw Us Yorkshire folks have the reputation of calling a 'spade' a 'bloody
shovel'

George Shirley wrote:
Cathy N wrote:
Hi! My name is Cathy and I lurk a lot...

I noticed you all were discussing Jeff Foxworthy. He wrote a
particularly sensitive and accurate description of a redneck. "Redneck"
per Foxworthy, "means a glorious absence of
sophistication". I am from South Texas and I am a full-fledged redneck.
It's true we
do take a lot of grief from "ignernt" folks who think we are all a
bunch of podunks... Rural Southerners definitely have a distinct
way of thinking, and for the most part, we don't subscribe to the
politically correct ways of society. I mean, we don't set out to
insult anyone, but we can be painfully blunt and honest. But, we
always heard that's a good thing.

We have a "Say what you mean and mean what you say" attitude. It's
a plainspokenness that gains us the dullerd reputation, I suspect.

While some of us have a few teeth missing and date our cousins,
others among us hold doctorates.... If you are in a confrontation
where you wished like heck you had someone to watch your back, you'd
better hope it's a redneck.

We are not a stupid bunch, although some of the more uneducated give
us a bad name... We are a pretty great bunch of citizens. In a
disaster, we are the first on the scene to help, if threatened, we
are among the first there to defend. We think we have a decent
handle on what's right & wrong and teach our kids accordingly. We
want them to grow up to be good little rednecks, too!

Anyway, I thought I would pipe in and put in my two cents. Nice
group you have here!

Cathy from Texas




http://community.webtv.net/CATHYM55/ComeandvisitCathys

Welcome Cathy, don't lurk, preserve something. I'm a Native Texan who
currently lives in darkest Loosyanna. Lived all over Texas for most of
my life, at least in the parts where there's oll, that's oil to the
Yankees. Lived in Corpus Christi for awhile and hunted all over South
Texas.
What breed of goat is that you have? There's a whole herd of them with
the brown heads and white bodies about three miles from our house,
good looking critters. We used to raise Nubian goats eons ago, good
milkers and threw tasty kids too.

Do you raise any of your own food and put it by for hard times? Living
in town for the past twenty years we grow about 80% of our own food
on a city lot and that includes nine fruit trees.

I know what you mean about educated rednecks, I are one too. Ophelia
had asked the question and she's a Brit, one of those from Yorkshire,
the ones the other Brits joke about like the city folk joke about us
rednecks.

LOL you got that one right George))

Well, thanks for the warm welcome!

About my goats, Roberta and Josie are a cross of Spanish goat and Boer.
Roberta has a wide horn spread and looks more like the Spanish
ancestors. Josie, on the other hand, looks almost pure Boer. They are
sisters from the same litter. They were a set of triplets. I didn't
take all three...

To Ophelia, I have a question... I have a great friend from Yorkshire.
He lived on a farm near Norton/Malton area. Ian Denney is his name and
his father's name is Norman Denney. I don't suppose you would know
them... Maybe?

Ian is living in Italy now, loving his new home.

Anyway, again, thanks for the welcome. I'll drop in from time to time!

Greeting from not so sunny Rio Grande Valley of Texas!!

Cathy Nunn




http://community.webtv.net/CATHYM55/ComeandvisitCathys

"The Cook" wrote in message
...

When you buy inventory you automatically get the deduction for
whatever it costs. You then subtract the total cost of what you
bought from your sales. Doesn't matter whether you sell it or it
rots.
--

Susan -- are you an accountant? I ask because my very brief Google on the
topic indicates that grocers can indeed take charitable deductions for food
donations, although this might be restricted to corporations.

Here's what one food bank has to say about it:

"Donors may be in a position to benefit from certain federal and state tax
deductions allowed for contributions of inventory to qualified charitable
recipients such as Tri-State Food Bank. If the fair market value of donated
goods exceeds their cost basis, the deduction may include a portion of such
excess. At a minimum, donors are assured of a deduction for the full cost
basis of contributed inventory and any costs associated with the donation.
The above information should serve only as a guideline concerning charitable
deductions for product donations. Companies are urged to consult corporate
tax specialists concerning specific product donations, allowable deductions,
and changes to the Tax Code."

As I said, I'm not an accountant, so maybe I'm not understanding this.

Anny

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:41:58 -0600, "Anny Middon"
wrote:

"The Cook" wrote in message
.. .

When you buy inventory you automatically get the deduction for
whatever it costs. You then subtract the total cost of what you
bought from your sales. Doesn't matter whether you sell it or it
rots.
--

Susan -- are you an accountant? I ask because my very brief Google on the
topic indicates that grocers can indeed take charitable deductions for food
donations, although this might be restricted to corporations.

Here's what one food bank has to say about it:

"Donors may be in a position to benefit from certain federal and state tax
deductions allowed for contributions of inventory to qualified charitable
recipients such as Tri-State Food Bank. If the fair market value of donated
goods exceeds their cost basis, the deduction may include a portion of such
excess. At a minimum, donors are assured of a deduction for the full cost
basis of contributed inventory and any costs associated with the donation.
The above information should serve only as a guideline concerning charitable
deductions for product donations. Companies are urged to consult corporate
tax specialists concerning specific product donations, allowable deductions,
and changes to the Tax Code."

As I said, I'm not an accountant, so maybe I'm not understanding this.

Anny


I am not an accountant, but I did major in Business Administration at
the University of North Carolina and took several accounting courses.
I also did all of the bookkeeping and tax filing for my small
business.

I think that it does not make any difference if they give 5 pounds of
cabbage to a food bank or if is spoils and goes into the dumpster. In
either case the cabbage is gone and the store did not receive any
money for it. The store's profit is reduced by the cost of the
cabbage either way.

--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

Cathy N wrote:
Well, thanks for the warm welcome!

About my goats, Roberta and Josie are a cross of Spanish goat and
Boer. Roberta has a wide horn spread and looks more like the Spanish
ancestors. Josie, on the other hand, looks almost pure Boer. They
are sisters from the same litter. They were a set of triplets. I
didn't take all three...

To Ophelia, I have a question... I have a great friend from Yorkshire.
He lived on a farm near Norton/Malton area. Ian Denney is his name
and his father's name is Norman Denney. I don't suppose you would
know them... Maybe?

Sorry Cathy, Yorkshire is a huge county (by UK standards)

If I ever come across the name I will be sure and let you know.

"The Cook" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:41:58 -0600, "Anny Middon"
wrote:

"The Cook" wrote in message
. ..

When you buy inventory you automatically get the deduction for
whatever it costs. You then subtract the total cost of what you
bought from your sales. Doesn't matter whether you sell it or it
rots.
--

Susan -- are you an accountant? I ask because my very brief Google on the
topic indicates that grocers can indeed take charitable deductions for
food
donations, although this might be restricted to corporations.

Here's what one food bank has to say about it:

"Donors may be in a position to benefit from certain federal and state tax
deductions allowed for contributions of inventory to qualified charitable
recipients such as Tri-State Food Bank. If the fair market value of
donated
goods exceeds their cost basis, the deduction may include a portion of
such
excess. At a minimum, donors are assured of a deduction for the full cost
basis of contributed inventory and any costs associated with the donation.
The above information should serve only as a guideline concerning
charitable
deductions for product donations. Companies are urged to consult
corporate
tax specialists concerning specific product donations, allowable
deductions,
and changes to the Tax Code."

As I said, I'm not an accountant, so maybe I'm not understanding this.

Anny


I am not an accountant, but I did major in Business Administration at
the University of North Carolina and took several accounting courses.
I also did all of the bookkeeping and tax filing for my small
business.

I think that it does not make any difference if they give 5 pounds of
cabbage to a food bank or if is spoils and goes into the dumpster. In
either case the cabbage is gone and the store did not receive any
money for it. The store's profit is reduced by the cost of the
cabbage either way.

I'm not at all sure that it works like I think it does, but I'm under the
impression that it's like this:

Store buys 5 pounds of cabbage for $1, sells it for $3, pays taxes on $2
profit.

Store buys 5 pounds of cabbage for $1, throws it out, has $1 loss to take
against other profits.

Store buys 5 pounds of cabbage for $1, donates it to food bank, takes $1 as
inventory expense and takes something between $1 and $3, say $2, as
charitable donation, so has loss of $3 to take against other profits. Even
if I'm wrong about them being able to take both the inventory expense and
the charitable donation, I'm pretty sure the amount they can take as
charitable deduction exceeds what they paid for the cabbage -- the store can
take their other expenses, such as what it cost them to stock the cabbage
and pull it from their produce section. So maybe instead of $1 deduction,
they get $1.25 to deduct against the large profits they make from selling
batteries and magazines and whatever. I think though that if its a
corporation they can take half of the difference between what they paid for
it and what they'd sell it for as the deduction -- so in this example, they
could deduct $2..

Plus of course there's the goodwill aspects of it -- the food bank will
likely mention the grocer as one of their contributors which makes them look
good to their customers.

And on a more monetary note, they have no disposal costs for the cabbage.
Food banks are usually willing to pick up the donations, so there's no
expense to the grocer there. The amount the grocer has in his dumpster is
less, and that may well save him costs there.

I suspect there are many grocers out there who don't donate their food
because they say it isn't worth it. Maybe they are right -- if they are
small enough, maybe their accounting costs eat up their tax savings.

But you know, once or twice while shopping in Dominicks (local Safeway) I've
had them give me items. It was a quart of juice once. The item was at its
Sell-By date, and rather than toss several quarts of juice, they decided to
use it to build customer goodwill. An employee just slapped a Free sticken
on the juice and gave a carton to every shopper passing by that wanted one.

I haven't had that happen in a long time though, but then I shop mostly at
Jewel (local Albertsons) now. I hope they are donating such items to the
local soup kitchen now.

While we're sort of on the topic -- why, oh why, can't product labelling on
freshness be more standardized here in the US? Sometimes it's a sell-by
date, and sometimes it's a use-or-freeze-by date (or just a use-by date).

I happilay accepted that free juice because I knew that the use-by date had
to be at least a couple of days after the sell-by date. I think any soup
kitchen would have been happy to have it, too.

Anny