George Shirley wrote:
I lost my redneck status in the early seventies when I finally went to
college. After graduation I just became ordinary oil field trash. Go
here for some of Foxworthy's definitions of a redneck.
http://www.fortogden.com/foredneck.html

LOLOL they are terrible... but funny I am sure you were never a member
of such a group


OB: preserving: Rednecks do tend to raise large broods of children and
hence, raise large gardens and put up the food.

They do indeed have a saving grace)

"Anny Middon" wrote in message
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"zxcvbob" wrote in message
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The little grocery store that I shop at sometimes; the only one with a
"used meat bin", has new management, and one of the first things they did
was stop selling any close-dated/outdated packaged meats. That's where I
used to buy most of my cured meats. (Who cares if a package of wienies
or a whole pepperoni is a week past its freshness date?) I got better
brands at very low prices that way.

The manager said that they want people buying the *good* meat, not the
old stuff. So I guess they will throw the old stuff away. I won't buy
any more of the fresh meat, I'll just buy less preserved meat -- maybe
that's a good thing.


Do you have any soup kitchens or the like in your area? For a number of
reasons, a lot of these places are really hurting for donations now. If
such exists in your area, why not give them a call and explain the change
in store policy? They may be able to convince the manager that it's
better to get a charitable donation write-off than nothing.

And it really is a pity to have perfectly good meat go into a landfill
rather than the belly of a hungry person.

Anny

(big snip)

I am not sure what a redneck is.




Originally referred to backwood farmers whose necks were red because they
always had their heads down while hoeing crops and the backs of ther necks
were sunburned.

Have you ever seen the American comedian Jeff Foxworthy, he does "redneck"
humor. Nowadays redneck infers that that person is backwards and ignorant.
Not always true though. HTH

George

I love Jeff Foxworthy! His redneck jokes are so funny. I too, on occasion
have fallen in to his category of a redneck. That is to say, there have
been times that if I cut the grass...I'd find a car......

Anyway......I work at the grocery store where I shop, now. I started
working there in August and I'm still getting to know everyone - there are
allot of people working there! The problem is, there is a store policy that
says something like, if it's garbage, it's garbage. I work at the fast food
counter where we have 4 pots of soup out during the lunch hour. If the soup
doesn't sell, it goes in to the garbage. No if's, and's, or but's!!! This
amazes me and I don't understand the policy. Like...why not let me take it
home? or why not let the local soup kitchen/homeless shelter come and get
it? I suppose there's a reason - health inspections or regulations or
whatever...but I don't agree with it. There is an INCREDIBLE amount of
waste in the grocery business - so much food that could be salvaged, but
isn't. It's a shame. And thus, the prices go up..............

So I'm still trying to get to know the meat and produce guys anyway, just in
case we can work something out....

Kathi

Kathi Jones wrote:
(big snip)

I am not sure what a redneck is.




Originally referred to backwood farmers whose necks were red because they
always had their heads down while hoeing crops and the backs of ther necks
were sunburned.

Have you ever seen the American comedian Jeff Foxworthy, he does "redneck"
humor. Nowadays redneck infers that that person is backwards and ignorant.
Not always true though. HTH

George

I love Jeff Foxworthy! His redneck jokes are so funny. I too, on occasion
have fallen in to his category of a redneck. That is to say, there have
been times that if I cut the grass...I'd find a car......

Anyway......I work at the grocery store where I shop, now. I started
working there in August and I'm still getting to know everyone - there are
allot of people working there! The problem is, there is a store policy that
says something like, if it's garbage, it's garbage. I work at the fast food
counter where we have 4 pots of soup out during the lunch hour. If the soup
doesn't sell, it goes in to the garbage. No if's, and's, or but's!!! This
amazes me and I don't understand the policy. Like...why not let me take it
home? or why not let the local soup kitchen/homeless shelter come and get
it? I suppose there's a reason - health inspections or regulations or
whatever...but I don't agree with it. There is an INCREDIBLE amount of
waste in the grocery business - so much food that could be salvaged, but
isn't. It's a shame. And thus, the prices go up..............

So I'm still trying to get to know the meat and produce guys anyway, just in
case we can work something out....

Kathi



Think LAWSUITS, the American public appears to be out to sue everyone
for everything.

For many years I was an industrial safety professional, and, the last
sixteen years, a self-employed safety consultant. When I worked for
the big oil companies I had agreements with them that, if sued, they
would indemnify me, ie, defend me in all lawsuits. When I went solo in
1991 I had to carry a $5,000,000.00 personal liability policy. I was
afraid I wouldn't be able to afford it but it wound up costing only
about $3K a year because so many people had to have the coverage and
that made a big pool.

Regardless, in 31 years of doing safety I was sued 288 times and none of
them ever won. Makes you wonder doesn't it. I can understand why the
store doesn't allow food to be taken home or given away. May not agree
with it but I do understand it.

Here in our local all the restaurants and supermarkets donate leftover
food to the places that feed hundreds of people daily, Abraham's Tent,
Salvation Army, Potter House, lots of places. I found out the recipients
have to sign waivers on lawsuits for most of them and, IIRC, the state
of Louisiana limits lawsuits against such donors.

George

Kathi Jones wrote:
So I'm still trying to get to know the meat and produce guys anyway,
just in case we can work something out....


A few weeks ago I had a meal in a restaurant and asked for the bone to be
wrapped, so I could take it home for the dog.

I had to sign a disclaimer that if I should become ill after eating the bone
I wouldn't sue!!!

Ophelia wrote:

A few weeks ago I had a meal in a restaurant and asked for the bone to be
wrapped, so I could take it home for the dog.

I had to sign a disclaimer that if I should become ill after eating the bone
I wouldn't sue!!!

I don't understand. I inferred that you were served the bone without
signing a disclaimer. So if you ate the bone in the restaurant and
became ill, you could sue them. Did they have a monitor watching you to
stop you from eating it?

Was there a disclaimer in the menu that they were not responsible for
health problems caused by the food? Did you have to rely on Gordon
Ramsay's prayer "Oh G-d please do not let me get food poisoning again".

(In his UK series "Ramsay's Kitchen Nighmares, he was served tainted
food 4 times in as many months.)

Geoff.
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Ophelia wrote:
Kathi Jones wrote:
So I'm still trying to get to know the meat and produce guys anyway,
just in case we can work something out....


A few weeks ago I had a meal in a restaurant and asked for the bone to be
wrapped, so I could take it home for the dog.

I had to sign a disclaimer that if I should become ill after eating the bone
I wouldn't sue!!!



Well, did it make the dog sick? VBG

George

Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
Ophelia wrote:

A few weeks ago I had a meal in a restaurant and asked for the bone
to be wrapped, so I could take it home for the dog.

I had to sign a disclaimer that if I should become ill after eating
the bone I wouldn't sue!!!

I don't understand. I inferred that you were served the bone without
signing a disclaimer. So if you ate the bone in the restaurant and
became ill, you could sue them. Did they have a monitor watching you
to stop you from eating it?

LOL I doubt it I never had that in that restaurant (where we are regular
diners) since then!


Was there a disclaimer in the menu that they were not responsible for
health problems caused by the food? Did you have to rely on Gordon
Ramsay's prayer "Oh G-d please do not let me get food poisoning
again".

(In his UK series "Ramsay's Kitchen Nighmares, he was served tainted
food 4 times in as many months.)

Geoff.

George Shirley wrote:
Ophelia wrote:
Kathi Jones wrote:
So I'm still trying to get to know the meat and produce guys anyway,
just in case we can work something out....


A few weeks ago I had a meal in a restaurant and asked for the bone
to be wrapped, so I could take it home for the dog.

I had to sign a disclaimer that if I should become ill after eating
the bone I wouldn't sue!!!



Well, did it make the dog sick? VBG

Not yet)

"George Shirley" wrote in message
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Kathi Jones wrote:

Here in our local all the restaurants and supermarkets donate leftover
food to the places that feed hundreds of people daily, Abraham's Tent,
Salvation Army, Potter House, lots of places. I found out the recipients
have to sign waivers on lawsuits for most of them and, IIRC, the state
of Louisiana limits lawsuits against such donors.


Oregon does the same thing. All the grocery stores participate with
the Oregon Food Bank.

However do not fall for the idea that it's a liability thing. That's just
a typical corporate excuse dreamed up to put a happy Barney the
Dinosaur face on a rather greedy and nasty practice that the grocery
stores really don't want their customers to understand.

The real reason that the grocery stores
don't do one-off donations to shelters and the like is that they don't
want the donated food cutting into their business. This is what Oregon
found out. The grocery stores were quite happy to donate the old
food to a central organization - like the food bank - because the
food bank screens all the recipients and doesen't give them anything
until they have signed up for all the social services that the state
already pays for - such as food stamps (ie: WIC) The food
bank also makes sure that the shelters that get food from them
enforce the same requirements on their clients.

What this does is the poor people only get the free food AFTER they
have gone to the grocery stores and spent all their food stamp
allowance. It also guarentees that the recipients only get enough
food to feed themselves and their families and don't get a whole
great gob of it. This helps to prevent spoilage but more importantly
it prevents the poor people from getting enough expired food to
sell it for drug money.

If you see food wastage in your city of this magnitude and it really
bothers you, then you ought to put together a proposal to get
an area food bank setup. As soon as you explain to the grocery
stores that their giving out free food is handing your food bank a
club that it can use to get poor people into the food stamp program -
which results in more money coming into the grocery stores since
the poor people then go spend the food stamps at the grocers -
they will be quite happy to grease the skids with the local politicians
to get liability laws modified or whatever it takes.

That's the cruel reality of it. To be sure, you can make the
argument that many of the poor people aren't on the food stamp
program simply because they are ignorant about the social
services that their state has, and that doing it this way gets
the poor people the help they need to pull themselves out of
the poorhouse. That doesen't really quite hide the fact from
anyone who can put 2 and 2 together that the grocers aren't
participating for purely altruistic reasons..

Ted

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
"George Shirley" wrote in message
. ..
Kathi Jones wrote:

Here in our local all the restaurants and supermarkets donate leftover
food to the places that feed hundreds of people daily, Abraham's Tent,
Salvation Army, Potter House, lots of places. I found out the recipients
have to sign waivers on lawsuits for most of them and, IIRC, the state
of Louisiana limits lawsuits against such donors.


Oregon does the same thing. All the grocery stores participate with
the Oregon Food Bank.

However do not fall for the idea that it's a liability thing. That's just
a typical corporate excuse dreamed up to put a happy Barney the
Dinosaur face on a rather greedy and nasty practice that the grocery
stores really don't want their customers to understand.

The real reason that the grocery stores
don't do one-off donations to shelters and the like is that they don't
want the donated food cutting into their business. This is what Oregon
found out. The grocery stores were quite happy to donate the old
food to a central organization - like the food bank - because the
food bank screens all the recipients and doesen't give them anything
until they have signed up for all the social services that the state
already pays for - such as food stamps (ie: WIC) The food
bank also makes sure that the shelters that get food from them
enforce the same requirements on their clients.

What this does is the poor people only get the free food AFTER they
have gone to the grocery stores and spent all their food stamp
allowance. It also guarentees that the recipients only get enough
food to feed themselves and their families and don't get a whole
great gob of it. This helps to prevent spoilage but more importantly
it prevents the poor people from getting enough expired food to
sell it for drug money.

If you see food wastage in your city of this magnitude and it really
bothers you, then you ought to put together a proposal to get
an area food bank setup. As soon as you explain to the grocery
stores that their giving out free food is handing your food bank a
club that it can use to get poor people into the food stamp program -
which results in more money coming into the grocery stores since
the poor people then go spend the food stamps at the grocers -
they will be quite happy to grease the skids with the local politicians
to get liability laws modified or whatever it takes.

That's the cruel reality of it. To be sure, you can make the
argument that many of the poor people aren't on the food stamp
program simply because they are ignorant about the social
services that their state has, and that doing it this way gets
the poor people the help they need to pull themselves out of
the poorhouse. That doesen't really quite hide the fact from
anyone who can put 2 and 2 together that the grocers aren't
participating for purely altruistic reasons..

Ted


A couple of the feeding stations around here don't ask any questions, if
you come in to eat they feed you. I worked at one a few times as a
server and recognized people I knew had good jobs and money. Food
station didn't care, just said they don't discriminate.

I know some of our grocers hereabouts don't participate and, like you
said, it's a corporate policy. YMMV

George

"Ted Mittelstaedt" wrote in message
...


That's the cruel reality of it. To be sure, you can make the
argument that many of the poor people aren't on the food stamp
program simply because they are ignorant about the social
services that their state has, and that doing it this way gets
the poor people the help they need to pull themselves out of
the poorhouse. That doesen't really quite hide the fact from
anyone who can put 2 and 2 together that the grocers aren't
participating for purely altruistic reasons..


Even without the food stamp program restrictions, I don't think grocers
participate for purely altrusitic reasons. IANAA but I'm pretty sure they
get a tax deduction for charitable contributions for donating food.

The choice for them would therefore be to throw it out and get nothing or to
donate it, have some administrative/bookkeeping expense, and get a nice
deduction that lowers their taxes -- and gets them some goodwill in the
community in which they do business.

Seems like a no-brsiner to me, but IANAGrocer, either.

Anny

"George Shirley" wrote in message
. ..

A couple of the feeding stations around here don't ask any questions, if
you come in to eat they feed you. I worked at one a few times as a
server and recognized people I knew had good jobs and money. Food
station didn't care, just said they don't discriminate.


That's not what a Food Bank does. At least, not here. That's a soup
kitchen, and it's a whole different thing.

The Food Banks don't hand out food ready to eat. They hand out
expired food that you have to take home and prepare, ie: canned, boxed
stuff. A soup kitchen prepares the food and serves it - and as the food is
prepared,
it has to be eaten that day (or very soon afterwards, like for example
pastries, etc.) and the people leaving aren't carrying food with them (or
if they are it's like a restaurant doggy bag - one serving)

Ted

"Anny Middon" wrote in message
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"Ted Mittelstaedt" wrote in message
...


That's the cruel reality of it. To be sure, you can make the
argument that many of the poor people aren't on the food stamp
program simply because they are ignorant about the social
services that their state has, and that doing it this way gets
the poor people the help they need to pull themselves out of
the poorhouse. That doesen't really quite hide the fact from
anyone who can put 2 and 2 together that the grocers aren't
participating for purely altruistic reasons..


Even without the food stamp program restrictions, I don't think grocers
participate for purely altrusitic reasons. IANAA but I'm pretty sure they
get a tax deduction for charitable contributions for donating food.

The choice for them would therefore be to throw it out and get nothing or
to
donate it, have some administrative/bookkeeping expense, and get a nice
deduction that lowers their taxes -- and gets them some goodwill in the
community in which they do business.

Seems like a no-brsiner to me, but IANAGrocer, either.


You have to be actually making money to get any value out of a
tax deduction. If your running at a loss, your already not paying
taxes so there's nothing to deduct from.

Ted

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:15:53 GMT, "Anny Middon"
wrote:

"Ted Mittelstaedt" wrote in message
...


That's the cruel reality of it. To be sure, you can make the
argument that many of the poor people aren't on the food stamp
program simply because they are ignorant about the social
services that their state has, and that doing it this way gets
the poor people the help they need to pull themselves out of
the poorhouse. That doesen't really quite hide the fact from
anyone who can put 2 and 2 together that the grocers aren't
participating for purely altruistic reasons..


Even without the food stamp program restrictions, I don't think grocers
participate for purely altrusitic reasons. IANAA but I'm pretty sure they
get a tax deduction for charitable contributions for donating food.

The choice for them would therefore be to throw it out and get nothing or to
donate it, have some administrative/bookkeeping expense, and get a nice
deduction that lowers their taxes -- and gets them some goodwill in the
community in which they do business.

Seems like a no-brsiner to me, but IANAGrocer, either.

Anny

When you buy inventory you automatically get the deduction for
whatever it costs. You then subtract the total cost of what you
bought from your sales. Doesn't matter whether you sell it or it
rots.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)