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The other comment is that, as far as I know, chili contains beef and
although deer and antelope were here long before the conquest,

Just a gentle correction for anyone who cares. There have never been
antelope in the Americas. You are probably refering to the pronghorn -
"Antelocapra americana". It is not related to antelopes nor to any
living
animal. As the scientific name suggests, they are sometimes placed in a
group of animals called "goat antelopes" although they are neither.
Other
animals in this group: chamois, saiga, takin and muskox. Other than the
muskox and takin none are actually related.

Charlie
================================================== =======

Oh yeah?? Well if that be true, tell me this-------------------- why
would
"where the deer and the ANTELOPE play" be in the words of the
most popular song of the 20th Century !!!! ???? I'm talkin'
Home on the Range !

McDave

But, but.....that's the same song that has non-existent buffalo roaming too!
grin

Charlie

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The other comment is that, as far as I know, chili contains beef
and although deer and antelope were here long before the conquest,

Just a gentle correction for anyone who cares. There have never been
antelope in the Americas. You are probably refering to the pronghorn
- "Antelocapra americana". It is not related to antelopes nor to any
living animal. As the scientific name suggests, they are sometimes
placed in a group of animals called "goat antelopes" although they
are neither. Other animals in this group: chamois, saiga, takin and
muskox. Other than the muskox and takin none are actually related.

Charlie

I don't know much about these animals except nobody I know has eaten one
after shooting it for a wall mount. I also know they really like Oreo
cookies. I stopped somewhere on a fenceline around Post , Texas and fed
Oreos to a herd of these antelopes who stopped to look at me. Really
****ed
my 2 little girls off bad...they wanted the cookies for themselves.
Jack
================================================== ===
If they scarfed up on those Oreos, they were no doubt Melanesian MuskOxes.
Texans don't know any better. Most can't tell an antelope from an
anecdote.
They think MuskOx is a brand of perfume manufactured up in Oklahoma !!

McDave

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The other comment is that, as far as I know, chili contains beef and
although deer and antelope were here long before the conquest,

Just a gentle correction for anyone who cares. There have never been
antelope in the Americas. You are probably refering to the pronghorn -
"Antelocapra americana". It is not related to antelopes nor to any
living
animal. As the scientific name suggests, they are sometimes placed in
a
group of animals called "goat antelopes" although they are neither.
Other
animals in this group: chamois, saiga, takin and muskox. Other than
the
muskox and takin none are actually related.

Charlie
================================================== =======

Oh yeah?? Well if that be true, tell me this-------------------- why
would
"where the deer and the ANTELOPE play" be in the words of the
most popular song of the 20th Century !!!! ???? I'm talkin'
Home on the Range !

McDave

But, but.....that's the same song that has non-existent buffalo roaming
too!
grin

Charlie

================================================== ===========

Well, one of those non-existent buffaloes tore the arm off a cousin of
mine when he was on a picnic in the Wichita Mountains of Oklahoma
in 1972. He was a native OKIE, a Warrant Officer in the U.S. Army
Artillery,
and should have know better than to wander among the herd in the
rutting season !! They did let him stay in the Army until his
retirement.

McDave

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Nixon, D on 19 Oct 2003 suggested:


"Charles Gifford" wrote in message
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"Wayne Lundberg" wrote in message
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The other comment is that, as far as I know, chili contains beef
and although deer and antelope were here long before the conquest,

Just a gentle correction for anyone who cares. There have never been
antelope in the Americas. You are probably refering to the pronghorn
- "Antelocapra americana". It is not related to antelopes nor to any
living animal. As the scientific name suggests, they are sometimes
placed in a group of animals called "goat antelopes" although they
are neither. Other animals in this group: chamois, saiga, takin and
muskox. Other than the muskox and takin none are actually related.

Charlie
================================================== =======

Oh yeah?? Well if that be true, tell me this--------------------
why would "where the deer and the ANTELOPE play" be in the words of
the most popular song of the 20th Century !!!! ???? I'm talkin'
Home on the Range !

Because songwriters (a) are ignorant, (b) take artistic license,
(c) couldn't get "goat antelopes" to fit into the rhythm and meter of
the song, or (d) didn't like the way "muskox" rolled off the tongue.
*grin*

--Douglas
================================================== ====

Willie Nelson wrote the song----------------- Crazy.

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"Charles Gifford" wrote in message
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"Wayne Lundberg" wrote in message
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The other comment is that, as far as I know, chili contains beef
and
although deer and antelope were here long before the conquest,

Just a gentle correction for anyone who cares. There have never been
antelope in the Americas. You are probably refering to the
pronghorn -
"Antelocapra americana". It is not related to antelopes nor to any
living
animal. As the scientific name suggests, they are sometimes placed
in
a
group of animals called "goat antelopes" although they are neither.
Other
animals in this group: chamois, saiga, takin and muskox. Other than
the
muskox and takin none are actually related.

Charlie
================================================== =======

Oh yeah?? Well if that be true, tell me this-------------------- why
would
"where the deer and the ANTELOPE play" be in the words of the
most popular song of the 20th Century !!!! ???? I'm talkin'
Home on the Range !

McDave

But, but.....that's the same song that has non-existent buffalo roaming
too!
grin

Charlie

================================================== ===========

Well, one of those non-existent buffaloes tore the arm off a cousin of
mine when he was on a picnic in the Wichita Mountains of Oklahoma
in 1972. He was a native OKIE, a Warrant Officer in the U.S. Army
Artillery,
and should have know better than to wander among the herd in the
rutting season !! They did let him stay in the Army until his
retirement.

McDave

A one armed Okie can't pick much fruit in California.
KackG

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:23:43 GMT, "Nixon, D" wrote:

"Charles Gifford" wrote in message
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But, but.....that's the same song that has non-existent buffalo roaming
too!
grin

Charlie

================================================= ============

Well, one of those non-existent buffaloes tore the arm off a cousin of
mine when he was on a picnic in the Wichita Mountains of Oklahoma
in 1972. He was a native OKIE, a Warrant Officer in the U.S. Army
Artillery,
and should have know better than to wander among the herd in the
rutting season !! They did let him stay in the Army until his
retirement.

McDave

I'm sure that what Charlie meant was that what many (most?) people in
the US call "buffalo" are really "bison." Think water buffalo or Cape
buffalo for the real thing. The song writer did get the "deer" part
right, but missed on the antelope (pronghorn) and buffalo (bison.)

David

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"Wayne Lundberg" wrote in message

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The other comment is that, as far as I know, chili contains beef
and although deer and antelope were here long before the
conquest,

Just a gentle correction for anyone who cares. There have never
been
antelope in the Americas. You are probably refering to the
pronghorn
- "Antelocapra americana". It is not related to antelopes nor to
any
living animal. As the scientific name suggests, they are sometimes
placed in a group of animals called "goat antelopes" although they
are neither. Other animals in this group: chamois, saiga, takin and
muskox. Other than the muskox and takin none are actually related.

Charlie

I don't know much about these animals except nobody I know has eaten one
after shooting it for a wall mount. I also know they really like Oreo
cookies. I stopped somewhere on a fenceline around Post , Texas and fed
Oreos to a herd of these antelopes who stopped to look at me. Really
****ed
my 2 little girls off bad...they wanted the cookies for themselves.
Jack
================================================== ===
If they scarfed up on those Oreos, they were no doubt Melanesian MuskOxes.
Texans don't know any better. Most can't tell an antelope from an
anecdote.
They think MuskOx is a brand of perfume manufactured up in Oklahoma !!

McDave

OK, I guess they couldda been takins 'cause they were sure takin' those
oreos.
Jack

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The other comment is that, as far as I know, chili contains beef
and
although deer and antelope were here long before the conquest,

Just a gentle correction for anyone who cares. There have never
been
antelope in the Americas. You are probably refering to the
pronghorn -
"Antelocapra americana". It is not related to antelopes nor to any
living
animal. As the scientific name suggests, they are sometimes placed
in
a
group of animals called "goat antelopes" although they are
neither.
Other
animals in this group: chamois, saiga, takin and muskox. Other
than
the
muskox and takin none are actually related.

Charlie
================================================== =======

Oh yeah?? Well if that be true, tell me this--------------------
why
would
"where the deer and the ANTELOPE play" be in the words of the
most popular song of the 20th Century !!!! ???? I'm talkin'
Home on the Range !

McDave

But, but.....that's the same song that has non-existent buffalo
roaming
too!
grin

Charlie

================================================== ===========

Well, one of those non-existent buffaloes tore the arm off a cousin of
mine when he was on a picnic in the Wichita Mountains of Oklahoma
in 1972. He was a native OKIE, a Warrant Officer in the U.S. Army
Artillery,
and should have know better than to wander among the herd in the
rutting season !! They did let him stay in the Army until his
retirement.

McDave

A one armed Okie can't pick much fruit in California.
KackG
============================================

You're sure right about that.... particularly one who cain't
tell an Cantaloupe from a Antelope !!

McDave

David Wright wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:23:43 GMT, "Nixon, D" wrote:

"Charles Gifford" wrote in message
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But, but.....that's the same song that has non-existent buffalo roaming

too!

grin

Charlie

================================================ =============

Well, one of those non-existent buffaloes tore the arm off a cousin of
mine when he was on a picnic in the Wichita Mountains of Oklahoma
in 1972. He was a native OKIE, a Warrant Officer in the U.S. Army
Artillery,
and should have know better than to wander among the herd in the
rutting season !! They did let him stay in the Army until his
retirement.

McDave


I'm sure that what Charlie meant was that what many (most?) people in
the US call "buffalo" are really "bison." Think water buffalo or Cape
buffalo for the real thing. The song writer did get the "deer" part
right, but missed on the antelope (pronghorn) and buffalo (bison.)

David


Poetic license.


jim

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The other comment is that, as far as I know, chili contains
beef
and
although deer and antelope were here long before the conquest,

Just a gentle correction for anyone who cares. There have never
been
antelope in the Americas. You are probably refering to the
pronghorn -
"Antelocapra americana". It is not related to antelopes nor to
any
living
animal. As the scientific name suggests, they are sometimes
placed
in
a
group of animals called "goat antelopes" although they are
neither.
Other
animals in this group: chamois, saiga, takin and muskox. Other
than
the
muskox and takin none are actually related.

Charlie
================================================== =======

Oh yeah?? Well if that be true, tell me this--------------------
why
would
"where the deer and the ANTELOPE play" be in the words of the
most popular song of the 20th Century !!!! ???? I'm talkin'
Home on the Range !

McDave

But, but.....that's the same song that has non-existent buffalo
roaming
too!
grin

Charlie

================================================== ===========

Well, one of those non-existent buffaloes tore the arm off a cousin of
mine when he was on a picnic in the Wichita Mountains of Oklahoma
in 1972. He was a native OKIE, a Warrant Officer in the U.S. Army
Artillery,
and should have know better than to wander among the herd in the
rutting season !! They did let him stay in the Army until his
retirement.

McDave

A one armed Okie can't pick much fruit in California.
KackG
============================================

You're sure right about that.... particularly one who cain't
tell an Cantaloupe from a Antelope !!

McDave




No one has mentioned the Texas Jackalope.

Jim

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The other comment is that, as far as I know, chili contains
beef
and
although deer and antelope were here long before the
conquest,

Just a gentle correction for anyone who cares. There have
never
been
antelope in the Americas. You are probably refering to the
pronghorn -
"Antelocapra americana". It is not related to antelopes nor to
any
living
animal. As the scientific name suggests, they are sometimes
placed
in
a
group of animals called "goat antelopes" although they are
neither.
Other
animals in this group: chamois, saiga, takin and muskox. Other
than
the
muskox and takin none are actually related.

Charlie
================================================== =======

Oh yeah?? Well if that be true, tell me
this--------------------
why
would
"where the deer and the ANTELOPE play" be in the words of the
most popular song of the 20th Century !!!! ???? I'm talkin'
Home on the Range !

McDave

But, but.....that's the same song that has non-existent buffalo
roaming
too!
grin

Charlie

================================================== ===========

Well, one of those non-existent buffaloes tore the arm off a cousin
of
mine when he was on a picnic in the Wichita Mountains of Oklahoma
in 1972. He was a native OKIE, a Warrant Officer in the U.S. Army
Artillery,
and should have know better than to wander among the herd in the
rutting season !! They did let him stay in the Army until his
retirement.

McDave

A one armed Okie can't pick much fruit in California.
KackG
============================================

You're sure right about that.... particularly one who cain't
tell an Cantaloupe from a Antelope !!

McDave




No one has mentioned the Texas Jackalope.

Jim
================================================== =====

No, they haven't. But, I had one back in my OKIE days.
Actually, I bred it myself. Turned out to be a cross between a Jackass
and a Jack Rabbit. And, when it died, we used its skeleton for
a Jack-o-lantern.......

Saying of the Day------ "Always carry a small flask of whiskey in
case of snakebite.
Furthermore, always carry a small snake."

I guess I better quit this cross-posting. Many on this newsgroup get
all "quivvered up" when a guy cross posts! It's considered worse than
cross-dressing !

McDave, OKIE At Large
================================================== =========

I first began reading (some) usenet groups shortly after they began in
the late 70s/early 80s. The subject of ingredients, methods, and
authencities of chile/chilli/chilie has consistently been one of the
most prolific generators of discussion since then. There *is* no
original concept. Humans stew whatever's available together -- meat,
veg, grain -- whatever. In his original post, Wayne mentioned seeking
"old timer" recollection. Well, since capsicums of various sorts have
been grown and eaten in the Americas for thousands of years, a *real*
old timer might report "chile -- tasty!" Or rather "green thing tasty;
also good when red -- let's add to bean pot." It's sort of like
asking the "origin" of salting foods, or adding sweeteners.
Chili/chile/chilli isn't an invention. It's an evolution. Peppers must
surely have been one of the most welcome exports from the new world
(like tomatoes and potatoes) considering their rapid inclusion in
world cuisine.