Why oh! Why? Do Americans celebrate Cinco de Mayo? Does anybody really
know why? I think this was started as advertising by Corona/Cuahtemoc
breweries as a way to get sales up.

If anybody knows more facts about how the 'holiday" got started please
post here.

and we want to.
Now, go research how Christmas was "developed", Mothers Day, Valentines
Day, The Easter Bunnys etc, etc.
Cinco de Mayo is not sancrosect but all of these Holidays have $$$$ behind
them, so don't be so stolid about it.

Celebrate or not. That is your right

Secret_Ingredient wrote:
Why oh! Why? Do Americans celebrate Cinco de Mayo? Does anybody really
know why? I think this was started as advertising by Corona/Cuahtemoc
breweries as a way to get sales up.

If anybody knows more facts about how the 'holiday" got started please
post here.


Battle of Puebla in 1862.

Mexico defeated French troops in that battle.
Anytime any nation in the New World defeted the
French we should celebrate.

Randy Johnson wrote:


I don't have facts, only opinion. We love any excuse to party; men embrace
the idea to booze and eat in excess,

women like the excuse to shop and eat
out, rather than have more take-out KFC or pizza.

What's that supposed to mean?
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No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron...

On Apr 28, 7:21?pm, Secret_Ingredient wrote:

If anybody knows more facts about how the 'holiday" got started please
post here.

I can certainly understand why you feel that the commercialized
celebration of a foreign holiday seems so *alien* and WRONG.

But local Mexicans, who outnumber Americans by two to one in this
small county, also believe that the recent commercialization of Cinco
de Mayo from a "fiesta patria" into El Drunko de Mayo is inherently
wrong.

If you want to read about fiestas patrias, go he
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/...s/FF/lkf6.html

I find it amazing that local Mexicans, descended as they are from
illegal aliens who jumped the border nearly a century ago could have
any sense whatever of absolute right or wrong or patriotism.

But, you have to understand that the Mexican culture is based upon the
pretense that mestizos are "Spanish", and not mestizos.

Under the Spanish colonial system of caste and class, the Spanish were
on top. Spaniards were first class citizens of Mexico and the Spanish
empire. They could go places and do things and carve out their own
empire, if they were energetic.

The next step down the social ladder was called "Castizo" (the
purified ones). The Castizos were Jews and Moors who had converted to
Roman Catholicism. It didn't much matter to the Spanish how dark their
skin color was, if they remained faithful to the church, they could be
second class citizens, and the Castizos would assert that they were
"Spanish", even if they looked like Usama bin Laden.

Many of Hernan Cortez' officers were Castizos who had left Spain to
seek their fortune in the New World. That's why you see so many evil-
looking Mexicans who could pass for Arabs. Their ancestors were Moors.
They had the blessing of the king of Spain to loot the riches of the
New World and bring it all back to Spain so the Holy Roman Emperor
could fight the Protestant Reformation.

If a Spaniard married an Indian woman, the offspring was called a
"mestizo", and was a third class citizen, depending upon whether he
lived as a European, wearing clothes, or lived like an Indian and ran
around nearly naked.

Each caste had an animal name. The third class mestizos were called
"coyotes" and the name has stuck until today, but "coyote" no longer
indicates racial mixture, it means that the person is a criminal who
smuggles illegal aliens across the border. That's actually amusing.
Coyotes are leading other coyotes across the border, and light-
complected Mexicans don't have to leave Mexico, they have it made.

The former were called "rational persons" and could own land, conduct
their business, and travel about the country. The latter were
considered to be "irrational persons", and could not conduct any
business of substance, own land or travel about the country freely.

"Irrational persons" were called "Indios" and were considered to be
fourth class citizens and they were kept in a pupillary status as
neophytes in the Catholic church, where it was expected that they
could be made into useful peasant citizens of the Spanish empire in
only ten years.

The majority of the neophytes died in the first two or three years of
captivity at the church or mission or were worked to death at the
encomiendas, which were temporary land grants given to first and
second class citizens.

There were also lower classed citizens. For instance, the child of a
Spaniard and a Negro woman was a racial mixture called "mulato" and
the animal symbol was a "mule". Mulatos were fifth class citizens.

You can easily see why it was important for anybody who lived in
Mexico to claim that they were a faithful Roman Catholic, and that
they were *Spanish*. And, since they usually couldn't own land, there
was nothing for them in Mexico, they had to migrate north.

Once they were somewhat "established" in the USA, they knew that they
could easily be deported back to Mexico, and they claimed to be
"Spanish", not Mexicans.

Their disaffected children felt that they didn't belong to either
country. They were called "pachucos" and formed into street gangs.

Pachucos tend to enjoy Cinco de Mayo as a party holiday instead of a
"fiesta patria".

"Rechazo Todo" wrote in message
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On Apr 28, 7:21?pm, Secret_Ingredient wrote:

If anybody knows more facts about how the 'holiday" got started please
post here.

I can certainly understand why you feel that the commercialized
celebration of a foreign holiday seems so *alien* and WRONG.

But local Mexicans, who outnumber Americans by two to one in this
small county, also believe that the recent commercialization of Cinco
de Mayo from a "fiesta patria" into El Drunko de Mayo is inherently
wrong.

If you want to read about fiestas patrias, go he
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/...s/FF/lkf6.html

I find it amazing that local Mexicans, descended as they are from
illegal aliens who jumped the border nearly a century ago could have
any sense whatever of absolute right or wrong or patriotism.

But, you have to understand that the Mexican culture is based upon the
pretense that mestizos are "Spanish", and not mestizos.

Under the Spanish colonial system of caste and class, the Spanish were
on top. Spaniards were first class citizens of Mexico and the Spanish
empire. They could go places and do things and carve out their own
empire, if they were energetic.

The next step down the social ladder was called "Castizo" (the
purified ones). The Castizos were Jews and Moors who had converted to
Roman Catholicism. It didn't much matter to the Spanish how dark their
skin color was, if they remained faithful to the church, they could be
second class citizens, and the Castizos would assert that they were
"Spanish", even if they looked like Usama bin Laden.

Many of Hernan Cortez' officers were Castizos who had left Spain to
seek their fortune in the New World. That's why you see so many evil-
looking Mexicans who could pass for Arabs. Their ancestors were Moors.
They had the blessing of the king of Spain to loot the riches of the
New World and bring it all back to Spain so the Holy Roman Emperor
could fight the Protestant Reformation.

If a Spaniard married an Indian woman, the offspring was called a
"mestizo", and was a third class citizen, depending upon whether he
lived as a European, wearing clothes, or lived like an Indian and ran
around nearly naked.

Each caste had an animal name. The third class mestizos were called
"coyotes" and the name has stuck until today, but "coyote" no longer
indicates racial mixture, it means that the person is a criminal who
smuggles illegal aliens across the border. That's actually amusing.
Coyotes are leading other coyotes across the border, and light-
complected Mexicans don't have to leave Mexico, they have it made.

The former were called "rational persons" and could own land, conduct
their business, and travel about the country. The latter were
considered to be "irrational persons", and could not conduct any
business of substance, own land or travel about the country freely.

"Irrational persons" were called "Indios" and were considered to be
fourth class citizens and they were kept in a pupillary status as
neophytes in the Catholic church, where it was expected that they
could be made into useful peasant citizens of the Spanish empire in
only ten years.

The majority of the neophytes died in the first two or three years of
captivity at the church or mission or were worked to death at the
encomiendas, which were temporary land grants given to first and
second class citizens.

There were also lower classed citizens. For instance, the child of a
Spaniard and a Negro woman was a racial mixture called "mulato" and
the animal symbol was a "mule". Mulatos were fifth class citizens.

You can easily see why it was important for anybody who lived in
Mexico to claim that they were a faithful Roman Catholic, and that
they were *Spanish*. And, since they usually couldn't own land, there
was nothing for them in Mexico, they had to migrate north.

Once they were somewhat "established" in the USA, they knew that they
could easily be deported back to Mexico, and they claimed to be
"Spanish", not Mexicans.

Their disaffected children felt that they didn't belong to either
country. They were called "pachucos" and formed into street gangs.

Pachucos tend to enjoy Cinco de Mayo as a party holiday instead of a
"fiesta patria".

Secret_Ingredient wrote:
Why oh! Why? Do Americans celebrate Cinco de Mayo? Does anybody really
know why? I think this was started as advertising by Corona/Cuahtemoc
breweries as a way to get sales up.

If anybody knows more facts about how the 'holiday" got started please
post here.


I may be wrong but remember that Macayo's restaurants in Phoenix started
advertising the Cinco de Mayo celebration back in the early 80s shortly
after they had sold out to a national chain.

Before that the only spring time drink fests were around St. Patty's day.

On Apr 29, 12:32?pm, "Gunner" gunner@ spam.com wrote:
"Rechazo Todo" wrote in message

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Where did the words "white" or "pride" appear in that message?

The Christian reconquest of Spain was a religious conflict, not a race
war.

The Spanish colonial class and caste system arose from that conflict
and we are still seeing the results of the struggle to gain control of
the Iberian peninsula in the mass migration of Mexicans from a country
that doesn't give mestizos a chance.

For that matter, ask a Filipino immigrant what *he* thinks of
centuries of Spanish imperialism, followed by 50 years of American
imperialism.

However, since you mentioned "White Pride", it reminded me of what
Carlos Mencia had to say about the apparent political incorrectness of
any expression of pride by a White person.

Carlos said that the Whites needed a "beaner" like himself to point
that out. Carlos is not from Mexico, he's from Honduras, and Central
Americans tend to think of Mexicans as being too violent.

Carlos makes fun of uneducated Mexican illegal aliens who think that
they are somehow being discriminated against because of racism,
when their real problem is that they have a fourth grade education.

On Apr 29, 3:22?pm, Sonoran Dude wrote:

I may be wrong but remember that Macayo's restaurants in Phoenix started
advertising the Cinco de Mayo celebration back in the early 80s shortly
after they had sold out to a national chain.

Before that the only spring time drink fests were around St. Patty's day.

Well, you're wrong as usual. You don't know what the **** you're
talking about.

Cinco de Mayo is NOT a "spring time drink fest" for Mexicans here in
the San Joaquin valley. It's a "fiesta patria" just like the 4th of
July.

Mexicans began celebrating "fiestas patrias" in Texas, after they
realized they were a minority in the Lone Star Republic.

Mexicans are still celebrating their patriotism for a country that
they do not want to live in, they want to bring it here. There will be
parades and beauty contests and mariachi bands just like they had 80
years ago. There will probably be a car show.

And the local Mexicans who've been "living in the shadows" for decades
are now complaining that the commercialization of Cinco de Mayo is
ruining the event as a family occasion.

Hoardes of illegal alien border jumpers began arriving here during the
1910-1920 Mexican Revolution to work in the farms and orchards run by
American businessmen. The Mexicans didn't want to give up their
culture and ties to Mexico, so they joined organizations like
the "sociedades mutualistas" and the "comite patriotico mexicano".

And the "comission honorifica mexicana" formed by the Mexican
consulate helped them circumvent American laws, just like the Mexican
consulate is doing now by providing illegal aliens with matriculas
that they can use for identification to get bank accounts, credit
cards, and home loans.

Mexicans are driving up rents locally by occupying older housing and
they are driving up the cost of new homes and crowding schools and
hospital emergency rooms.

The recent cold weather destroyed about 3/4 of a billion dollars in
orange and other citrus crops, forcing American businessmen to lay off
their Mexicans.

But, they don't want to give up their "good workers", so they are
*rotating them*, so they will keep coming back, instead of leaving
the valley and returning to Mexico.

The taco stands and lunch wagons that made lunches for the "good
workers" are complaining that their business is down to nothing.

The established businessmen who have restaurants are complaining that
the taco wagons are stealing their customers, and a new law requires
the roach coaches to move a half mile every half hour.

In the minds of American businessmen, a cheap worker who will bust his
ass for 1/3rd the wages that an American will consider is a
"good worker".

In spite of the agricultural disaster, agrobusinesses are still
sending busses to the Unemployment Offices to pick up "good workers",
but no Americans need apply.

Several years ago, the county was offering unemployed meat cutters a
ticket to Iowa, so they could work in the slaughterhouses, buthering
hogs.

Now agrobusiness says there is a "shortage of good workers" and is
bringing in Mexicans to do jobs that they wouldn't pay Americans to
do. Anybody that wants to work at the chicken processing plant has to
be a "good worker".

Have you figured out what a "good worker" is by now?

If you read the local Spanish language newspaper, the stories are all
about the plight of the "trabajadores". You never see a word about
the "workers" in the English language daily that prints the weekly
Mexican newpaper.

"Rechazo Todo" wrote in message
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On Apr 29, 3:22?pm, Sonoran Dude wrote:

"Rechazo Todo" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Apr 29, 12:32?pm, "Gunner" gunner@ spam.com wrote:
"Rechazo Todo" wrote in message

oups.com...

Where did the words "white" or "pride" appear in that message?

The Christian reconquest of Spain was a religious conflict, not a race
war.

The Spanish colonial class and caste system arose from that conflict
and we are still seeing the results of the struggle to gain control of
the Iberian peninsula in the mass migration of Mexicans from a country
that doesn't give mestizos a chance.

For that matter, ask a Filipino immigrant what *he* thinks of
centuries of Spanish imperialism, followed by 50 years of American
imperialism.

However, since you mentioned "White Pride", it reminded me of what
Carlos Mencia had to say about the apparent political incorrectness of
any expression of pride by a White person.

Carlos said that the Whites needed a "beaner" like himself to point
that out. Carlos is not from Mexico, he's from Honduras, and Central
Americans tend to think of Mexicans as being too violent.

Carlos makes fun of uneducated Mexican illegal aliens who think that
they are somehow being discriminated against because of racism,
when their real problem is that they have a fourth grade education.

Rechazo Todo wrote:
On Apr 29, 3:22?pm, Sonoran Dude wrote:

I may be wrong but remember that Macayo's restaurants in Phoenix started
advertising the Cinco de Mayo celebration back in the early 80s shortly
after they had sold out to a national chain.

Before that the only spring time drink fests were around St. Patty's day.

Well, you're wrong as usual. You don't know what the **** you're
talking about.

Cinco de Mayo is NOT a "spring time drink fest" for Mexicans here in
the San Joaquin valley. It's a "fiesta patria" just like the 4th of
July.


The question was why do "Americans" celebrate Cinco de Mayo not
Mexicans, read the question douche bag. I think my explanation is more
conducive to the US American phenomenon. It makes sense that a large
Mexican restaurant corporation would market this holiday in their own
interest of creating a "drink fest".

On Apr 30, 9:07?am, Sonoran Dude wrote:
Rechazo Todo wrote:

Cinco de Mayo is NOT a "spring time drink fest" for Mexicans here in
the San Joaquin valley. It's a "fiesta patria" just like the 4th of
July.

The question was why do "Americans" celebrate Cinco de Mayo not
Mexicans, read the question douche bag. I think my explanation is more
conducive to the US American phenomenon. It makes sense that a large
Mexican restaurant corporation would market this holiday in their own
interest of creating a "drink fest".-

Not too bright, are you? You bought into the question, emphasizing
"Americans" and, by doing so, you alienate your Mexican American
fellow citizens. ;-)

Hehe. How ya gonna win the PC game?

Where's Gunner

Rechazo Todo wrote:
On Apr 30, 9:07?am, Sonoran Dude wrote:
Rechazo Todo wrote:

Cinco de Mayo is NOT a "spring time drink fest" for Mexicans here in
the San Joaquin valley. It's a "fiesta patria" just like the 4th of
July.
The question was why do "Americans" celebrate Cinco de Mayo not
Mexicans, read the question douche bag. I think my explanation is more
conducive to the US American phenomenon. It makes sense that a large
Mexican restaurant corporation would market this holiday in their own
interest of creating a "drink fest".-

Not too bright, are you? You bought into the question, emphasizing
"Americans" and, by doing so, you alienate your Mexican American
fellow citizens. ;-)

Hehe. How ya gonna win the PC game?

Where's Gunner


I answered the question in the context of the question. Before the food
and beverage industry embraced this "holiday" Most Mexican and Anglo
Americans had no idea what Cinco de Mayo was yet all of them knew what
the 4th of July was celebrated for and not considered a "drink fest".
Cinco de Mayo was a footnote in Mexican history and hardly observed in
Mexico before the "American" food service industry came up with an
excuse to start serving margaritas one weekend. Prove me wrong, go ask
your Mexican friends if you have any friends at all.

On Apr 30, 11:19?am, Sonoran Dude wrote:
Rechazo Todo wrote:

Not too bright, are you? You bought into the question, emphasizing
"Americans" and, by doing so, you alienate your Mexican American
fellow citizens. ;-)

I answered the question in the context of the question. Before the food
and beverage industry embraced this "holiday" Most Mexican and Anglo
Americans had no idea what Cinco de Mayo was yet all of them knew what
the 4th of July was celebrated for and not considered a "drink fest".
Cinco de Mayo was a footnote in Mexican history and hardly observed in
Mexico before the "American" food service industry came up with an
excuse to start serving margaritas one weekend. Prove me wrong, go ask
your Mexican friends if you have any friends at all.- Hide quoted text -

Fiestas patrias have been celebrated in the USA for 150 years, but the
recent
commercialization of Cinco de Mayos annoys both Mexicans who want a
patriotic family event and Americans who don't believe that Mexicans
should
hold a patriotic event on US soil.

If you want to read about fiestas patrias, go he
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/...s/FF/lkf6.html