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11-09-2004, 02:38 PM
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"Spuckies" and Boston food
I'm looking for historical evidence for
"Spuckies" for the next volume of the Dictionary of American Regional English. Here are some more Boston terms (in a post I made to the American Dialect Society): WICKED GOOD GUIDE/BOSTON ENGLISH More from the Wicked Good Guides/Boston English. Someone should do a site like this for New York. Below are the selected food-related entries. http://www.boston-online.com/glossary/ab/index.html American chop suey Has nothing to do with Chinese food (then again, only in Boston do Chinese restaurants serve French rolls): Macaroni with hamburg, a little tomato sauce and a bit of onion and green pepper. B'daydas You can serve them mashed, or whipped or boiled. Bazo Drunk, at least in Southie. Jonathan E. Dyer Bubbla That's a water fountain to you, bub. Bulkie roll A soft, fluffy roll, you know, like a Kaiser roll. Only in Boston are they sometimes served at Chinese restaurants. Kelly Holmes Bundle Grocery bag. Chowdahead Stupid person. The phrase has spread westa Wihsta, but it's definitely of local origins. Casserine Toussaint reports: "It comes from back when people would make a massive bucket of chowder and lay a clean rope in it so that when they put it into the unheated back room it would freeze solid and could be hung up. They'd slide off the bucket by putting a hot towel on it and voila! Anyone wanting a bowl of chowder went in and chipped off a piece to be warmed up on the stove. After a while the frozen block of chowder took on a round shape, like a head." Coffee regulah Coffee with some cream and two sugahs. Dunkie's A donut shop found roughly every 1/10th of a mile on every street in greater Boston. Eric Vroom Egg rolls Large, fluffy rolls, a.k.a. kaiser rolls. Reuven Brauner Frankfurt Hot dog. You can find them in the meat depahtment, neah the hamburg. Served on Massachusetts frankfurt buns, which are mostly white on the outside. Frappe A milkshake or malted elsewhere, it's basically ice cream, milk and chocolate syrup blended together. The 'e' is silent. Despite the chocolate syrup, it actually comes in many flavors. "My favorite was a coffee frappe with two scoops of ice cream in Guild's Drug Store (pronounced like guile), which stood on Boylston and Exeter until this past year when they wrecked it,'' Dee Burton reported in 1997. Fudicle A Boston Fudgsicle. netexpert Gravy Tomato sauce. Primarily heard in the over-40 set in East Boston. KJMac Green Death Haffenreffer Private Stock Malt Liquor (refers primarily to the 16 oz. bottles). Michael Howell Grinda A sub or spuckie. Annette Leonard reports that in Saugus, it is specifically a toasted sub. Half moon Pastry known as "Black and Whites" elsewhere. Reuven Brauner Hamburg Ground meat. Sometimes found near the frankfurts. Hermits Molasses cookies. Jane Morris Hoodsie 1. A small cup of ice cream, the kind that comes with a flat wooden spoon (from H.P. Hood, the dairy that sells them). KC Black reports: "Part of their charm was on finishing them you'd suck and then fold the wooden spoon risking splintahs from the folded wood." To which Dee Burton adds: "The lid had a brown-tone picture of a movie star covered by a thin layer of protector paper that you peeled off. Sure wish I'd kept those covers. Police used to give us free Hoodsies and free movies on the morning of July 4, in the days when fireworks were legal in Mass. (that's how far back I go!).'' 2. Certain teen-aged girls, who, like the ice cream, are "short and sweet and good to eat." Jo Ann Kendricken recounts: "Growing up in Roslindale (scooping went on here and in W. Roxbury as well as Hyde Park), I was a hoodsie, and now when I tell people that, they automatically call me a 'Rozzie chick/rat' and say, 'So, you are a tough girl, aren't you? Better not mess with you!' For the record, I have never been in a fight, but it's nice to know that no one will mess witcha!' Jimmies Those little chocolate thingees you ask the guy at the ice-cream store to put on top of your cone. The multi-colored ones are "sprinkles." Kegga A beeah bash. Live 'n' kickin' The only kind of lobstahs you'll find at Boston deli countahs: Milkshake Milk with some flavored syrup, but NO ice cream. Packie A package store; wheah you buy beah. Packie run What you make when you go downna Mahty's, Blanchahd's oah some otha packie to pick up some beah for a kegga. Penuche The fudge equivalent of mystery meat. Jane Morris Rawregg An uncooked egg. Linda Petrous Reefah Refrigerator. Roll A bun stuffed with some sort of seafood salad, for example, a "lobsta roll." Often served on Massachusetts frankfurt buns, which look like they've been turned inside out (i.e., the outside of the bun is as white as the inside). Sangwich Sandwich. Alicia from Meffid reports: "My Nonna used to say, "Take your sangwiches out on the piazza." Scrod A small, ambiguous piece of fish that never knows if it's cod or haddock. Some people claim that "scrod" is a young cod, while "schrod" is a young haddock, but, in fact, there's no difference - it's basically whatever's cheaper at the fish pier that day. Spa A luncheonette or ma-and-pop convenience store (e.g., the Palace Spa in Brighton). Store 24s are never spas. Spider A frying pan. Now largely obsolete; refers to old-style pans that had legs to keep them off the coals. Connie Nowlan Spuckie Sometimes, spukie. What some Bostonians still call a sub or hero (there's even a sub shop in Dorchester called Spukies 'n Pizza). Some people refuse to believe it's real, but it must be, because the Middlesex News wrote about it in 1993. From spucadella, a type of Italian sandwich roll you can still buy at some of the bakeries in the North End and Somerville. David Keene reports: " 'Spuckie' is indeed a Boston word. It is not used much anymore, the older Italians used it. Growing up in Chelsea we alway bought 'spuckies' at Gallo's market. My wife bought spuckies at the Italian stores in Eastie when she was a kid. The word is not used much anymore, because there are so few of us that know what it means." Richard Karasik, meanwhile, recalls that "Santarpio's pizza parlor (in Eastie) was the center of spuckie heaven." Squeet "Let's go eat," at least in Lynn. Paul Hebert Suppa Meal served around 6 p.m. The Hudson family Tonic A carbonated beverage, you know, like Coke or Moxie. Oldtimers remember before the supamahket chains went all national and had "tonic" and "diet tonic" signs above their aisles. 
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11-09-2004, 03:04 PM
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(Barry Popik) writes:
I'm looking for historical evidence for "Spuckies" for the next volume of the Dictionary of American Regional English. Here are some more Boston terms (in a post I made to the American Dialect Society): WICKED GOOD GUIDE/BOSTON ENGLISH More from the Wicked Good Guides/Boston English. Someone should do a site like this for New York. Below are the selected food-related entries. http://www.boston-online.com/glossary/ab/index.html Even if you believe that the URL just referenced will always be available, you would do well (and be both more scholarly and more polite) to credit the author, Adam Gaffin, of the material which you have quoted so extensively (deleted below). Since, in fact, URLs cannot be guaranteed, you really *must* give Adam credit (and I hope you will do so on the ADS list). Lee Rudolph
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12-09-2004, 01:16 AM
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http://www.boston-online.com/glossary/ab/index.html
Even if you believe that the URL just referenced will always be available, you would do well (and be both more scholarly and more polite) to credit the author, Adam Gaffin, of the material which you have quoted so extensively (deleted below). Since, in fact, URLs cannot be guaranteed, you really *must* give Adam credit (and I hope you will do so on the ADS list). Lee Rudolph Will do. I believe the URL will be available, though, and Adam Gaffin is the compiler, not necessarily the author (as some entries make clear). I'm having some trouble finding historical "spuckies." No luck today in the New York Public Library. Barry Popik
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12-09-2004, 01:16 AM
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http://www.boston-online.com/glossary/ab/index.html
Even if you believe that the URL just referenced will always be available, you would do well (and be both more scholarly and more polite) to credit the author, Adam Gaffin, of the material which you have quoted so extensively (deleted below). Since, in fact, URLs cannot be guaranteed, you really *must* give Adam credit (and I hope you will do so on the ADS list). Lee Rudolph Will do. I believe the URL will be available, though, and Adam Gaffin is the compiler, not necessarily the author (as some entries make clear). I'm having some trouble finding historical "spuckies." No luck today in the New York Public Library. Barry Popik
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12-09-2004, 01:58 AM
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12-09-2004, 02:12 AM
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(Barry Popik) wrote in news:84b64385.0409110538.6d9b55e1
@posting.google.com: snip Green Death Haffenreffer Private Stock Malt Liquor (refers primarily to the 16 oz. bottles). Michael Howell Rainier Ale, in Seattle, also known as Green Death. Especially the "torpedo" bottles. I can't vouch for it (!) Jimmies Those little chocolate thingees you ask the guy at the ice-cream store to put on top of your cone. The multi-colored ones are "sprinkles." Hardly unique to Boston. Common in Pittsburgh. You might find some interesting regionalisms he http://hcs.harvard.edu/~golder/dialect/maps.php Note - not all food-related...but interesting none the less...  d;D
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18-09-2004, 06:48 AM
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Barry -- I know Adam Gaffin and he is an honest and clever fellow, well
worth talking to about language. Spuckies derives from a pointy roll called a spuccadella, and is used mostly in East Boston and by older people. By analogy, see "speedies" for skewers (spiedini in Italian). Bulkie roll, by the way, is pronounced Bool-key. "American Chop Suey" is a recipe in the Inglenook Cook Book from 1911, but that was a recipe for "real" chop suey. The macaroni kind is much later, although I would date the general concept of non-Chinese chop suey from the 1916 *Manual for Army Cooks* which has a recipe for chop suey stew that I used in my history cookbook. -- -Mark H. Zanger author, The American History Cookbook, The American Ethnic Cookbook for Students www.ethnicook.com www.historycook.com "Barry Popik" wrote in message om... I'm looking for historical evidence for "Spuckies" for the next volume of the Dictionary of American Regional English. Here are some more Boston terms (in a post I made to the American Dialect Society): WICKED GOOD GUIDE/BOSTON ENGLISH More from the Wicked Good Guides/Boston English. Someone should do a site like this for New York. Below are the selected food-related entries. http://www.boston-online.com/glossary/ab/index.html American chop suey Has nothing to do with Chinese food (then again, only in Boston do Chinese restaurants serve French rolls): Macaroni with hamburg, a little tomato sauce and a bit of onion and green pepper. B'daydas You can serve them mashed, or whipped or boiled. Bazo Drunk, at least in Southie. Jonathan E. Dyer Bubbla That's a water fountain to you, bub. Bulkie roll A soft, fluffy roll, you know, like a Kaiser roll. Only in Boston are they sometimes served at Chinese restaurants. Kelly Holmes Bundle Grocery bag. Chowdahead Stupid person. The phrase has spread westa Wihsta, but it's definitely of local origins. Casserine Toussaint reports: "It comes from back when people would make a massive bucket of chowder and lay a clean rope in it so that when they put it into the unheated back room it would freeze solid and could be hung up. They'd slide off the bucket by putting a hot towel on it and voila! Anyone wanting a bowl of chowder went in and chipped off a piece to be warmed up on the stove. After a while the frozen block of chowder took on a round shape, like a head." Coffee regulah Coffee with some cream and two sugahs. Dunkie's A donut shop found roughly every 1/10th of a mile on every street in greater Boston. Eric Vroom Egg rolls Large, fluffy rolls, a.k.a. kaiser rolls. Reuven Brauner Frankfurt Hot dog. You can find them in the meat depahtment, neah the hamburg. Served on Massachusetts frankfurt buns, which are mostly white on the outside. Frappe A milkshake or malted elsewhere, it's basically ice cream, milk and chocolate syrup blended together. The 'e' is silent. Despite the chocolate syrup, it actually comes in many flavors. "My favorite was a coffee frappe with two scoops of ice cream in Guild's Drug Store (pronounced like guile), which stood on Boylston and Exeter until this past year when they wrecked it,'' Dee Burton reported in 1997. Fudicle A Boston Fudgsicle. netexpert Gravy Tomato sauce. Primarily heard in the over-40 set in East Boston. KJMac Green Death Haffenreffer Private Stock Malt Liquor (refers primarily to the 16 oz. bottles). Michael Howell Grinda A sub or spuckie. Annette Leonard reports that in Saugus, it is specifically a toasted sub. Half moon Pastry known as "Black and Whites" elsewhere. Reuven Brauner Hamburg Ground meat. Sometimes found near the frankfurts. Hermits Molasses cookies. Jane Morris Hoodsie 1. A small cup of ice cream, the kind that comes with a flat wooden spoon (from H.P. Hood, the dairy that sells them). KC Black reports: "Part of their charm was on finishing them you'd suck and then fold the wooden spoon risking splintahs from the folded wood." To which Dee Burton adds: "The lid had a brown-tone picture of a movie star covered by a thin layer of protector paper that you peeled off. Sure wish I'd kept those covers. Police used to give us free Hoodsies and free movies on the morning of July 4, in the days when fireworks were legal in Mass. (that's how far back I go!).'' 2. Certain teen-aged girls, who, like the ice cream, are "short and sweet and good to eat." Jo Ann Kendricken recounts: "Growing up in Roslindale (scooping went on here and in W. Roxbury as well as Hyde Park), I was a hoodsie, and now when I tell people that, they automatically call me a 'Rozzie chick/rat' and say, 'So, you are a tough girl, aren't you? Better not mess with you!' For the record, I have never been in a fight, but it's nice to know that no one will mess witcha!' Jimmies Those little chocolate thingees you ask the guy at the ice-cream store to put on top of your cone. The multi-colored ones are "sprinkles." Kegga A beeah bash. Live 'n' kickin' The only kind of lobstahs you'll find at Boston deli countahs: Milkshake Milk with some flavored syrup, but NO ice cream. Packie A package store; wheah you buy beah. Packie run What you make when you go downna Mahty's, Blanchahd's oah some otha packie to pick up some beah for a kegga. Penuche The fudge equivalent of mystery meat. Jane Morris Rawregg An uncooked egg. Linda Petrous Reefah Refrigerator. Roll A bun stuffed with some sort of seafood salad, for example, a "lobsta roll." Often served on Massachusetts frankfurt buns, which look like they've been turned inside out (i.e., the outside of the bun is as white as the inside). Sangwich Sandwich. Alicia from Meffid reports: "My Nonna used to say, "Take your sangwiches out on the piazza." Scrod A small, ambiguous piece of fish that never knows if it's cod or haddock. Some people claim that "scrod" is a young cod, while "schrod" is a young haddock, but, in fact, there's no difference - it's basically whatever's cheaper at the fish pier that day. Spa A luncheonette or ma-and-pop convenience store (e.g., the Palace Spa in Brighton). Store 24s are never spas. Spider A frying pan. Now largely obsolete; refers to old-style pans that had legs to keep them off the coals. Connie Nowlan Spuckie Sometimes, spukie. What some Bostonians still call a sub or hero (there's even a sub shop in Dorchester called Spukies 'n Pizza). Some people refuse to believe it's real, but it must be, because the Middlesex News wrote about it in 1993. From spucadella, a type of Italian sandwich roll you can still buy at some of the bakeries in the North End and Somerville. David Keene reports: " 'Spuckie' is indeed a Boston word. It is not used much anymore, the older Italians used it. Growing up in Chelsea we alway bought 'spuckies' at Gallo's market. My wife bought spuckies at the Italian stores in Eastie when she was a kid. The word is not used much anymore, because there are so few of us that know what it means." Richard Karasik, meanwhile, recalls that "Santarpio's pizza parlor (in Eastie) was the center of spuckie heaven." Squeet "Let's go eat," at least in Lynn. Paul Hebert Suppa Meal served around 6 p.m. The Hudson family Tonic A carbonated beverage, you know, like Coke or Moxie. Oldtimers remember before the supamahket chains went all national and had "tonic" and "diet tonic" signs above their aisles.
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