I think your clock is wrong.

d wrote:

Non-vegetarian food is one of the basic causes of the whole society
being almost in a continuous fight. It makes you insensitive, it makes
you hard, it makes you a stone. And it creates things in you - anger,
violence - which can be easily avoided.

And that's why God gave us marihuana.
--
Vilco
Think pink, drink rose'

d wrote:
When you eat meat you are not only taking food, you are allowing a
certain animal from which the meat has come to enter in you. The meat
was part of a particular body, the meat was part of a particular
instinct pattern. The meat was the animal just a few hours before,
and that meat carries all the impressions of the animal, all the
habits of the animal. When you are eating meat your many attitudes
will be affected by it...


Perhaps, but who want to be a vegetable?

Best regards,
Bob

d wrote:
When you eat meat you are not only taking food, you are allowing a
certain
animal from which the meat has come to enter in you. The meat was part
of a particular body, the meat was part of a particular instinct pattern.
The
meat was the animal just a few hours before, and that meat carries all
the impressions of the animal, all the habits of the animal. When you are
eating meat your many attitudes will be affected by it.

Non-vegetarian food is one of the basic causes of the whole society
being
almost in a continuous fight. It makes you insensitive, it makes you
hard,
it makes you a stone. And it creates things in you - anger, violence -
which
can be easily avoided.

Copyright 2002 Osho International Foundation

http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=Ma...nguage=English

Body Dharma - on health
Eating a dead animal's flesh we are absorbing the emotions it felt as it
was
killed. The chemistry of emotions - neurotransmitter substances - are
identical in man and beast.
Osho describes, "all the body glands (the dying animal's) release
poisons
because the animal is dying very unwillingly. And when you eat the meat;
that meat carries all the poisons that the animal has released." Bon
apetit!

VEGETARIANISM



Man, naturally, should be a vegetarian, because the whole body is made
for
vegetarian food. Even scientists concede to the fact that the whole
structure of the human body shows that man should not be a
non-vegetarian.
Man comes from the monkeys. Monkeys are vegetarians, absolute
vegetarians.
If Darwin is true then man should be a vegetarian.

Now there are ways to judge whether a certain species of animal is
vegetarian or non-vegetarian: it depends on the intestine, the length of
the
intestine. Non-vegetarian animals have a very small intestine. Tigers,
lions - they have a very small intestine, because meat is already a
digested
food. It does not need a long intestine to digest it. The work of
digestion
has been done by the animal. Now you are eating the animal's meat. It is
already digested - no long intestine is needed. Man has one of the
longest
intestines: that means man is a vegetarian. A long digestion is needed,
and
much excreta will be there which has to be thrown out.

If man is not a non-vegetarian and he goes on eating meat, the body is
burdened. In the East, all the great meditators - Buddha, Mahavir - have
emphasized the fact. Not because of any concept of nonviolence - that is
a
secondary thing - but because if you really want to move in deep
meditation
your body needs to be weightless, natural, flowing. Your body needs to
be
unloaded; and a non-vegetarian's body is very loaded.

Just watch what happens when you eat meat: when you kill an animal what
happens to the animal when he is killed? Of course, nobody wants to be
killed. Life wants to prolong itself; the animal is not dying willingly.
If
somebody kills you, you will not die willingly. If a lion jumps on you
and
kills you, what will happen to your mind? The same happens when you kill
a
lion. Agony, fear, death, anguish, anxiety, anger, violence, sadness -
all
these things happen to the animal. All over his body violence, anguish,
agony spreads. The whole body becomes full of toxins, poisons. All the
body
glands release poisons because the animal is dying very unwillingly. And
then you eat the meat; that meat carries all the poisons that the animal
has
released. The whole energy is poisonous. Then those poisons are carried
in
your body.

That meat which you are eating belonged to an animal body. It had a
specific
purpose there. A specific type of consciousness existed in the animal's
body. You are on a higher plane than the animal's consciousness, and
when
you eat the animal's meat your body goes to the lowest plane, to the
lower
plane of the animal. Then there exists a gap between your consciousness
and
your body, and a tension arises and anxiety arises.

One should eat things which are natural, natural for you. Fruits, nuts,
vegetables - eat as much as you can. The beauty is that you cannot eat
more
of these things than is needed. Whatsoever is natural always gives you a
satisfaction, because it satiates your body, saturates you. You feel
fulfilled. If some thing is unnatural it never gives you a feeling of
fulfillment. Go on eating ice cream: you never feel that you are
satiated.
In fact the more you eat, the more you feel like eating. It is not a
food.
Your mind is being tricked. Now you are not eating according to the body
need; you are eating just to taste it. The tongue has become the
controller.

The tongue should not be the controller. It does not know anything about
the
stomach. It does not know anything about the body. The tongue has a
specific
purpose to fulfill: to taste food. Naturally, the tongue has to judge,
that
is the only thing, which food is for the body, for my body and which
food
is
not for my body. It is just a watchman on the door; it is not the
master,
and if the watchman on the door becomes the master, then everything will
be
confused.

Now advertisers know well that the tongue can be tricked, the nose can
be
tricked. And they are not the masters. You may not be awa much food
research goes on in the world, and they say if your nose is closed
completely, and your eyes closed, and then you are given an onion to
eat,
you cannot tell what you are eating. You cannot tell onion from apple if
the
nose is closed completely because half of the taste comes from the
smell,
is
decided by the nose, and half is decided by the tongue. These two have
become the controllers. Now they know: whether ice cream is nutritious
or
not is not the point. It can carry a flavor, it can carry some chemicals
which fulfill the tongue but are not needed for the body.

Man is confused, more confused than buffaloes. You cannot convince
buffaloes
to eat ice cream. Try!

A natural food...and when I say natural I mean that which your body
needs.
The need of a tiger is different; he has to be very violent. If you eat
the
meat of a tiger you will be violent, but where will your violence be
expressed? You have to live in human society, not in a jungle. Then you
will
have to suppress the violence. Then a vicious circle starts.

When you suppress violence, what happens? When you feel angry, violent,
a
certain poisonous energy is released, because that poison creates a
situation where you can be really violent and kill somebody. The energy
moves towards your hands; the energy moves towards your teeth. These are
the
two places from where animals become violent. Man is part of the animal
kingdom.

When you are angry, energy is released - it comes to the hands and to
the
teeth, to the jaw - but you live in a human society and it is not always
profitable to be angry. You live in a civilized world and you cannot
behave
like an animal. If you behave like an animal, you will have to pay too
much
for it - and you are not ready to pay that much. Then what do you do?
You
suppress the anger in the hand; you suppress the anger in your teeth -
you
go on smiling a false smile, and your teeth go on accumulating anger.

I have rarely come to see people with a natural jaw. It is not natural -
blocked, stiff - because there is too much anger. If you press the jaw
of
a
person, the anger can be released. Hands become ugly. They lose grace,
they
lose flexibility, because too much anger is suppressed there. People who
have been working on deep massage, they have come to know that when you
touch the hands deeply, massage the hands, the person starts becoming
angry.
There is no reason. You are massaging the man and suddenly he starts
feeling
angry. If you press the jaw, persons become angry again. They carry
accumulated anger. These are the impurities in the body: they have to be
released. If you don't release them the body will remain heavy.


Yoga: The Alpha and Omega

To read more on this subject, go to Library

Copyright © 2004 Osho International Foundation





Damn trolls!

JaKe

wrote:
[snip]


Damn trolls!

JaKe



Did you have to quote the entire manifesto just to say that?

"d" wrote in message ...
When you eat meat you are not only taking food, you are allowing a
certain
animal from which the meat has come to enter in you. The meat was part
of a particular body, the meat was part of a particular instinct pattern.

Eat me.

wrote in message
oups.com...

I think your clock is wrong.

That's not all of his that's wrong.

"El Puerco" wrote in message
...
"d" wrote in message ...
When you eat meat you are not only taking food, you are allowing a
certain
animal from which the meat has come to enter in you. The meat was
part
of a particular body, the meat was part of a particular instinct
pattern.

Eat me.

That's the best offer I've had all day!

"d" wrote in message ...
Non-vegetarian food is one of the basic causes of the whole society
being
almost in a continuous fight. It makes you insensitive, it makes you
hard,
it makes you a stone. And it creates things in you - anger, violence -
which
can be easily avoided.

I'm writing this because I'm the mood to do so, not because I think that
trolling post has any merit, or because I believe he will pay attention
to what I write.

Actually, animals generally don't commit hate crimes, or rob banks, or
do most of the evils that you find among humans.

Very few animals are habitually cruel. One of them is the cat, which is
sometimes cruel to mice, but few people eat cats.

You besmirch (or would if anyone took you seriously) the animal world
with your ignorant remarks.

Furthermore, the most commonly eaten animal is the cow and the chicken,
which are generally not violent, unless provoked.

Nor have I found my vegan or vegetarian friends to be of a more mild
temperament than my animal-eating friends.

In article CXqzg.22546$RI1.1903@trndny04,
"Mordechai Housman" wrote:

"El Puerco" wrote in message
...
"d" wrote in message ...
When you eat meat you are not only taking food, you are allowing a
certain
animal from which the meat has come to enter in you. The meat was
part
of a particular body, the meat was part of a particular instinct
pattern.

Eat me.

That's the best offer I've had all day!

snicker
Well done. ;-)
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

When you eat meat you are not only taking food, you are allowing a
certain
animal from which the meat has come to enter in you. The meat was part
of a particular body, the meat was part of a particular instinct pattern.
The
meat was the animal just a few hours before, and that meat carries all
the impressions of the animal, all the habits of the animal. When you are
eating meat your many attitudes will be affected by it.

Non-vegetarian food is one of the basic causes of the whole society
being
almost in a continuous fight. It makes you insensitive, it makes you
hard,
it makes you a stone. And it creates things in you - anger, violence -
which
can be easily avoided.

Copyright 2002 Osho International Foundation

http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=Ma...nguage=English

Body Dharma - on health
Eating a dead animal's flesh we are absorbing the emotions it felt as it
was
killed. The chemistry of emotions - neurotransmitter substances - are
identical in man and beast.
Osho describes, "all the body glands (the dying animal's) release
poisons
because the animal is dying very unwillingly. And when you eat the meat;
that meat carries all the poisons that the animal has released." Bon
apetit!

VEGETARIANISM



Man, naturally, should be a vegetarian, because the whole body is made
for
vegetarian food. Even scientists concede to the fact that the whole
structure of the human body shows that man should not be a
non-vegetarian.
Man comes from the monkeys. Monkeys are vegetarians, absolute
vegetarians.
If Darwin is true then man should be a vegetarian.

Now there are ways to judge whether a certain species of animal is
vegetarian or non-vegetarian: it depends on the intestine, the length of
the
intestine. Non-vegetarian animals have a very small intestine. Tigers,
lions - they have a very small intestine, because meat is already a
digested
food. It does not need a long intestine to digest it. The work of
digestion
has been done by the animal. Now you are eating the animal's meat. It is
already digested - no long intestine is needed. Man has one of the
longest
intestines: that means man is a vegetarian. A long digestion is needed,
and
much excreta will be there which has to be thrown out.

If man is not a non-vegetarian and he goes on eating meat, the body is
burdened. In the East, all the great meditators - Buddha, Mahavir - have
emphasized the fact. Not because of any concept of nonviolence - that is
a
secondary thing - but because if you really want to move in deep
meditation
your body needs to be weightless, natural, flowing. Your body needs to
be
unloaded; and a non-vegetarian's body is very loaded.

Just watch what happens when you eat meat: when you kill an animal what
happens to the animal when he is killed? Of course, nobody wants to be
killed. Life wants to prolong itself; the animal is not dying willingly.
If
somebody kills you, you will not die willingly. If a lion jumps on you
and
kills you, what will happen to your mind? The same happens when you kill
a
lion. Agony, fear, death, anguish, anxiety, anger, violence, sadness -
all
these things happen to the animal. All over his body violence, anguish,
agony spreads. The whole body becomes full of toxins, poisons. All the
body
glands release poisons because the animal is dying very unwillingly. And
then you eat the meat; that meat carries all the poisons that the animal
has
released. The whole energy is poisonous. Then those poisons are carried
in
your body.

That meat which you are eating belonged to an animal body. It had a
specific
purpose there. A specific type of consciousness existed in the animal's
body. You are on a higher plane than the animal's consciousness, and
when
you eat the animal's meat your body goes to the lowest plane, to the
lower
plane of the animal. Then there exists a gap between your consciousness
and
your body, and a tension arises and anxiety arises.

One should eat things which are natural, natural for you. Fruits, nuts,
vegetables - eat as much as you can. The beauty is that you cannot eat
more
of these things than is needed. Whatsoever is natural always gives you a
satisfaction, because it satiates your body, saturates you. You feel
fulfilled. If some thing is unnatural it never gives you a feeling of
fulfillment. Go on eating ice cream: you never feel that you are
satiated.
In fact the more you eat, the more you feel like eating. It is not a
food.
Your mind is being tricked. Now you are not eating according to the body
need; you are eating just to taste it. The tongue has become the
controller.

The tongue should not be the controller. It does not know anything about
the
stomach. It does not know anything about the body. The tongue has a
specific
purpose to fulfill: to taste food. Naturally, the tongue has to judge,
that
is the only thing, which food is for the body, for my body and which
food
is
not for my body. It is just a watchman on the door; it is not the
master,
and if the watchman on the door becomes the master, then everything will
be
confused.

Now advertisers know well that the tongue can be tricked, the nose can
be
tricked. And they are not the masters. You may not be awa much food
research goes on in the world, and they say if your nose is closed
completely, and your eyes closed, and then you are given an onion to
eat,
you cannot tell what you are eating. You cannot tell onion from apple if
the
nose is closed completely because half of the taste comes from the
smell,
is
decided by the nose, and half is decided by the tongue. These two have
become the controllers. Now they know: whether ice cream is nutritious
or
not is not the point. It can carry a flavor, it can carry some chemicals
which fulfill the tongue but are not needed for the body.

Man is confused, more confused than buffaloes. You cannot convince
buffaloes
to eat ice cream. Try!

A natural food...and when I say natural I mean that which your body
needs.
The need of a tiger is different; he has to be very violent. If you eat
the
meat of a tiger you will be violent, but where will your violence be
expressed? You have to live in human society, not in a jungle. Then you
will
have to suppress the violence. Then a vicious circle starts.

When you suppress violence, what happens? When you feel angry, violent,
a
certain poisonous energy is released, because that poison creates a
situation where you can be really violent and kill somebody. The energy
moves towards your hands; the energy moves towards your teeth. These are
the
two places from where animals become violent. Man is part of the animal
kingdom.

When you are angry, energy is released - it comes to the hands and to
the
teeth, to the jaw - but you live in a human society and it is not always
profitable to be angry. You live in a civilized world and you cannot
behave
like an animal. If you behave like an animal, you will have to pay too
much
for it - and you are not ready to pay that much. Then what do you do?
You
suppress the anger in the hand; you suppress the anger in your teeth -
you
go on smiling a false smile, and your teeth go on accumulating anger.

I have rarely come to see people with a natural jaw. It is not natural -
blocked, stiff - because there is too much anger. If you press the jaw
of
a
person, the anger can be released. Hands become ugly. They lose grace,
they
lose flexibility, because too much anger is suppressed there. People who
have been working on deep massage, they have come to know that when you
touch the hands deeply, massage the hands, the person starts becoming
angry.
There is no reason. You are massaging the man and suddenly he starts
feeling
angry. If you press the jaw, persons become angry again. They carry
accumulated anger. These are the impurities in the body: they have to be
released. If you don't release them the body will remain heavy.


Yoga: The Alpha and Omega

To read more on this subject, go to Library

Copyright © 2004 Osho International Foundation




http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=Ma...nguage=English

In article _Xqzg.22547$RI1.3978@trndny04,
"Mordechai Housman" wrote:

"d" wrote in message ...
Non-vegetarian food is one of the basic causes of the whole society
being
almost in a continuous fight. It makes you insensitive, it makes you
hard,
it makes you a stone. And it creates things in you - anger, violence -
which
can be easily avoided.

I'm writing this because I'm the mood to do so, not because I think that
trolling post has any merit, or because I believe he will pay attention
to what I write.

Actually, animals generally don't commit hate crimes, or rob banks, or
do most of the evils that you find among humans.

Very few animals are habitually cruel. One of them is the cat, which is
sometimes cruel to mice, but few people eat cats.

You besmirch (or would if anyone took you seriously) the animal world
with your ignorant remarks.

Furthermore, the most commonly eaten animal is the cow and the chicken,
which are generally not violent, unless provoked.

Nor have I found my vegan or vegetarian friends to be of a more mild
temperament than my animal-eating friends.

It's a very ancient philosophy, and totally meaningless in the modern
world... Even some cannibalistic warriors would eat the hearts of the
people they killed so they could "gain their ferocity" in battle.

It's basically all bullshit.

Oh, and note the crossposts. We are being trolled dear. ;-)

'nuff said.
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

In article ,
"El Puerco" wrote:

"d" wrote in message ...
When you eat meat you are not only taking food, you are allowing a
certain
animal from which the meat has come to enter in you. The meat was part
of a particular body, the meat was part of a particular instinct pattern.

Eat me.

Ooh baby!
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message
...
In article _Xqzg.22547$RI1.3978@trndny04,
"Mordechai Housman" wrote:

"d" wrote in message ...
Non-vegetarian food is one of the basic causes of the whole society
being
almost in a continuous fight. It makes you insensitive, it makes you
hard,
it makes you a stone. And it creates things in you - anger, violence -
which
can be easily avoided.

I'm writing this because I'm the mood to do so, not because I think that
trolling post has any merit, or because I believe he will pay attention
to what I write.

Actually, animals generally don't commit hate crimes, or rob banks, or
do most of the evils that you find among humans.

Very few animals are habitually cruel. One of them is the cat, which is
sometimes cruel to mice, but few people eat cats.

You besmirch (or would if anyone took you seriously) the animal world
with your ignorant remarks.

Furthermore, the most commonly eaten animal is the cow and the chicken,
which are generally not violent, unless provoked.

Nor have I found my vegan or vegetarian friends to be of a more mild
temperament than my animal-eating friends.

It's a very ancient philosophy, and totally meaningless in the modern
world... Even some cannibalistic warriors would eat the hearts of the
people they killed so they could "gain their ferocity" in battle.

It's basically all bullshit.

Oh, and note the crossposts. We are being trolled dear. ;-)

'nuff said.
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

I recall the poster suggested that lack of sex created the uncontrolled
hostility, and at that time blamed an outside source. Perhaps the poster is
trying to create a blame game.

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message
...
In article CXqzg.22546$RI1.1903@trndny04,
"Mordechai Housman" wrote:

"El Puerco" wrote in message
...
"d" wrote in message
...
When you eat meat you are not only taking food, you are allowing a
certain
animal from which the meat has come to enter in you. The meat was
part
of a particular body, the meat was part of a particular instinct
pattern.

Eat me.

That's the best offer I've had all day!

snicker
Well done. ;-)

Thank you. takes a bow