Nancy Young wrote on Thursday, April 27, 2006:

I never intended to go to Las Vegas, it's just someplace I
don't have a particular yen to see. So, imagine my surprise
when I found that the opportunity was presented to me that ...
they have In n Out Burgers there!!! Well, now we're talkin!

snip

Hmm, you go to Las Vegas from the east coast and you get to
In-n-Out before I do, and I live in Northern California. I moved here
about a year ago. Never heard of INO before moving here. Never
been in one. Can't recall ever driving past one, although the website
says there are several in my area. Well, if I ever go by one, I'll stop
and
check it out.

For the record, I've been to Las Vegas twice. I liked it but it doesn't
draw
me back.

Andy wrote:

Kate Connally wrote in :

Sheesh! No matter how great
their burgers are they've got to be brought down
quite a few pegs by the American cheese. Sheesh!

Kate,

Not only is it American cheese... it's orange! When I lived in CA there was
no such thing as white American cheese. When I got to PA and ordered a
sandwich with American cheese, I thought somebody put the wrong cheese on
it, until I was informed that "white American cheese" was a redundancy of
terms. Shook my world!

Andy

When I first saw "white" American I assumed it was to
real Swiss cheese what the orange American is to real
cheddar cheese. In any case I avoid American cheese of
any color.

Kate
--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

aem wrote:

Kate Connally wrote:

Okay, I'll bite (pun intended) - what the hell is
"hand-leafed" lettuce. You gotta be kidding me.

No kidding. In 'n Out uses leaves of real lettuce. The bad joke is
that all the other fast food burger places use packaged shredded
lettuce. -aem

Yeah, but, the package, shredded lettuce is still real lettuce.
And "hand-leafed" is just a totally weird term. I would guess
they're implying that someone there takes a whole head of lettuce
and removes the leaves by hand (how else would you do it?). But
if that's the case then the terminology they are used is really
awkward and weird. Anyway, I don't mind packaged, pre-shredded
lettuce as it tends to be iceberg and I'd much rather have that
than "leaf" lettuce. So, anyway, why don't they just say they
use whole lettuce leaves?

Kate

--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

Kate Connally wrote:

When I first saw "white" American I assumed it was to
real Swiss cheese what the orange American is to real
cheddar cheese. In any case I avoid American cheese of
any color.

That's not logical reasoning (sounds like previously decided prejudice
towards things American). Normal brained people might consider
comparing white and yellow American cheese with white and yellow
cheddar cheese... but Swiss cheese... I've never heard of dyed Swiss
cheese (not that it's not out there, I've jsut never encountered any),
and many Swiss cheeses are pretty foul, even those from Switzerland,
especially those from Switzerland.

American cheese may not be some people's choice but it's as legitimate
a cheese as any other. There are many mild cheeses out there and all
cheeses come in various grades, some are just awful... I'm far more
disappointed with a Brie that purports to be the real thing but turns
out to be flavorless crap. At perhaps $10/lb that crappy brie is far
more offensive to my sensibilities than a $4/lb American cheese.

Sheldon

Steve Wertz wrote:
On 27 Apr 2006 16:32:55 -0700, aem wrote:

No kidding. In 'n Out uses leaves of real lettuce. The bad joke is
that all the other fast food burger places use packaged shredded
lettuce. -aem

Jack in the Box doesn't (except maybe on their tacos).

Busted! Okay, I confess. I have not eaten a burger of any kind from
any of the other fast food burger places for more than twenty years, so
my prejudice in favor of In 'n Out is entirely ignorant. I just know
that the In'nOut product is fresh and high quality. Once every couple
of years I get a Tommy's burger (L.A. institution), but that's for that
greasy chili your stomach craves at 2 a.m. -aem

"aem" wrote in news:1146250987.622104.55120
@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

Steve Wertz wrote:
On 27 Apr 2006 16:32:55 -0700, aem wrote:

No kidding. In 'n Out uses leaves of real lettuce. The bad joke is
that all the other fast food burger places use packaged shredded
lettuce. -aem

Jack in the Box doesn't (except maybe on their tacos).

Busted! Okay, I confess. I have not eaten a burger of any kind from
any of the other fast food burger places for more than twenty years, so
my prejudice in favor of In 'n Out is entirely ignorant. I just know
that the In'nOut product is fresh and high quality. Once every couple
of years I get a Tommy's burger (L.A. institution), but that's for that
greasy chili your stomach craves at 2 a.m. -aem

aem,

You HAD to remind me... Melrose and Vermont. We called it Tomaine
Tommy's. With the bathroom style napkin dispensers every two (?) feet.

A true L.A. tradition, agreed!!!

Andy

Steve Wertz wrote in
:

On 28 Apr 2006 12:03:07 -0700, aem wrote:

Busted! Okay, I confess. I have not eaten a burger of any kind from
any of the other fast food burger places for more than twenty years,
so
my prejudice in favor of In 'n Out is entirely ignorant. I just know
that the In'nOut product is fresh and high quality. Once every couple
of years I get a Tommy's burger (L.A. institution), but that's for
that
greasy chili your stomach craves at 2 a.m. -aem

I&O's claim is that they never use frozen hamburger. IMO, that's
not much of a marketing gimmick. Frozen hamburger is safer and
no less tasty.

The only thing dofferent about I&O and other fast food joints -
again IMO - is they pay/treat their employees (and managers)
*very* well and the food takes longer to get to you.

-sw

"In 'n' Out, In 'n' Out, that's what a hamburger's all about."



Andy

Andy wrote:

"aem" wrote in news:1146250987.622104.55120
@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:


Steve Wertz wrote:

On 27 Apr 2006 16:32:55 -0700, aem wrote:


No kidding. In 'n Out uses leaves of real lettuce. The bad joke is
that all the other fast food burger places use packaged shredded
lettuce. -aem

Jack in the Box doesn't (except maybe on their tacos).


Busted! Okay, I confess. I have not eaten a burger of any kind from
any of the other fast food burger places for more than twenty years, so
my prejudice in favor of In 'n Out is entirely ignorant. I just know
that the In'nOut product is fresh and high quality. Once every couple
of years I get a Tommy's burger (L.A. institution), but that's for that
greasy chili your stomach craves at 2 a.m. -aem


aem,

You HAD to remind me... Melrose and Vermont. We called it Tomaine
Tommy's. With the bathroom style napkin dispensers every two (?) feet.

A true L.A. tradition, agreed!!!

Andy

I have recommended a restaurant called Raleigh's in Berkeley on
Telegraph near campus here before, but i was in there the other day and
had the favourite "Blue Cheese Burger" and was mightily disappointed.

They used to incorporate the blue cheese in the burger as well as place
some on top, and serve it on an artichoke bread bun, with a fresh
lettuce and a vinaigrette.

The other day it was on a white bread commercial hamburger bun, over
done meat, with a glop of barely discernible "blue cheese" served with
ketchup and yellow mustard. I sent it back. And ordered a chinese
chicken salad, i was hungry so i ate it but it will be a long time
before i do more than have a beer at that place again.
---
JL

Andy wrote:

Steve Wertz wrote in
:


On 28 Apr 2006 12:03:07 -0700, aem wrote:


Busted! Okay, I confess. I have not eaten a burger of any kind from
any of the other fast food burger places for more than twenty years,

so

my prejudice in favor of In 'n Out is entirely ignorant. I just know
that the In'nOut product is fresh and high quality. Once every couple
of years I get a Tommy's burger (L.A. institution), but that's for

that

greasy chili your stomach craves at 2 a.m. -aem

I&O's claim is that they never use frozen hamburger. IMO, that's
not much of a marketing gimmick. Frozen hamburger is safer and
no less tasty.

The only thing dofferent about I&O and other fast food joints -
again IMO - is they pay/treat their employees (and managers)
*very* well and the food takes longer to get to you.

-sw


"In 'n' Out, In 'n' Out, that's what a hamburger's all about."



Andy


I once watched Julia Child put a 'walnut sized' piece of herbal butter
inside a hamburger patty and pan fry it.

This inspired me to do the same thing with a piece of blue cheese, i
really, really like a big lump of blue cheese in my burger.
---
JL

"Joseph Littleshoes" wrote

They used to incorporate the blue cheese in the burger as well as place
some on top, and serve it on an artichoke bread bun, with a fresh lettuce
and a vinaigrette.

The other day it was on a white bread commercial hamburger bun, over done
meat, with a glop of barely discernible "blue cheese" served with ketchup
and yellow mustard.

Oh, what a letdown. I just wilt when an old standby favorite goes
down the tubes like that. Bummer.

nancy

Joseph Littleshoes wrote in news:2Hw4g.65389$F_
:

Andy wrote:

"aem" wrote in news:1146250987.622104.55120
@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:


Steve Wertz wrote:

On 27 Apr 2006 16:32:55 -0700, aem wrote:


No kidding. In 'n Out uses leaves of real lettuce. The bad joke is
that all the other fast food burger places use packaged shredded
lettuce. -aem

Jack in the Box doesn't (except maybe on their tacos).


Busted! Okay, I confess. I have not eaten a burger of any kind from
any of the other fast food burger places for more than twenty years,
so
my prejudice in favor of In 'n Out is entirely ignorant. I just know
that the In'nOut product is fresh and high quality. Once every couple
of years I get a Tommy's burger (L.A. institution), but that's for
that
greasy chili your stomach craves at 2 a.m. -aem


aem,

You HAD to remind me... Melrose and Vermont. We called it Tomaine
Tommy's. With the bathroom style napkin dispensers every two (?) feet.

A true L.A. tradition, agreed!!!

Andy

I have recommended a restaurant called Raleigh's in Berkeley on
Telegraph near campus here before, but i was in there the other day and
had the favourite "Blue Cheese Burger" and was mightily disappointed.

They used to incorporate the blue cheese in the burger as well as place
some on top, and serve it on an artichoke bread bun, with a fresh
lettuce and a vinaigrette.

The other day it was on a white bread commercial hamburger bun, over
done meat, with a glop of barely discernible "blue cheese" served with
ketchup and yellow mustard. I sent it back. And ordered a chinese
chicken salad, i was hungry so i ate it but it will be a long time
before i do more than have a beer at that place again.
---
JL


JL,

If you liked more plain hamburgers/cheeseburgers, The Smokehouse, a few
blocks north of Alcatraz Ave, on Telegraph Ave. is the best in Berkeley
or quite possibly the world, imho.

Andy
[drooling]

On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 23:16:07 +0000 (UTC),
(Steve Pope) wrote:

Kate Connally wrote:

Yeah, but, the package, shredded lettuce is still real lettuce.
And "hand-leafed" is just a totally weird term. I would guess
they're implying that someone there takes a whole head of lettuce
and removes the leaves by hand (how else would you do it?). But
if that's the case then the terminology they are used is really
awkward and weird.

There's a practice of harvesting leaves of lettuce a few at
a time without harvesting the entire plant. Perhaps this
is what is being describe.

I seriously doubt that In-N-Out has a lettuce patch at each location.

serene

Kate Connally wrote:

Yeah, but, the package, shredded lettuce is still real lettuce.
And "hand-leafed" is just a totally weird term. I would guess
they're implying that someone there takes a whole head of lettuce
and removes the leaves by hand (how else would you do it?). But
if that's the case then the terminology they are used is really
awkward and weird.

There's a practice of harvesting leaves of lettuce a few at
a time without harvesting the entire plant. Perhaps this
is what is being describe.

Steve

In article .com,
"KevinS" wrote:


Hmm, you go to Las Vegas from the east coast and you get to
In-n-Out before I do, and I live in Northern California. I moved here
about a year ago. Never heard of INO before moving here. Never
been in one. Can't recall ever driving past one, although the website
says there are several in my area. Well, if I ever go by one, I'll stop
and
check it out.

You should do that just to see what the fuss is about. Just don't get
your hopes too high. I will say that I prefer IO to Mc Duck's, BK, Jack,
and Wendy, especially if they are all near the same off-ramp. They are
freshly cooked but it's still an industrial fast-food burger. And if
you factor in the the frequently longer wait...

D.M.

"Donald Martinich" wrote

"KevinS" wrote:

Hmm, you go to Las Vegas from the east coast and you get to
In-n-Out before I do, and I live in Northern California. I moved here
about a year ago. Never heard of INO before moving here. Never
been in one. Can't recall ever driving past one, although the website
says there are several in my area. Well, if I ever go by one, I'll stop
and
check it out.

You should do that just to see what the fuss is about. Just don't get
your hopes too high. I will say that I prefer IO to Mc Duck's, BK, Jack,
and Wendy, especially if they are all near the same off-ramp. They are
freshly cooked but it's still an industrial fast-food burger. And if
you factor in the the frequently longer wait...

Well, geez, no one said it was the holy grail of burgers or
anything. Glad I didn't ask for opinions before I went. I
enjoyed it and had fun looking for one, that's all.

nancy