jmcquown wrote:

Gregory Morrow wrote:
Ranee Mueller wrote:

In article ,
sf wrote:

If you're a Northerner, you'll never fit into the South.

Amen to that. Rich and I lived in OK for three years, we were
made to feel more welcome in foreign countries than we were there.

That can be a small - town thing

Amen to the small town mindset. My mom, middle brother and I moved in
with
my grandparents in a very small town in Ohio (notice it's up north?) while
my oldest brother and my dad stayed in Thailand - Dad to finish his tour
of
duty and my oldest brother so he wouldn't be yanked out of school in his
senior year. Everyone in that town was "clannish". That thing Ranee said
about if you hadn't known everyone from 3rd grade (more like from birth)
is
absolutely true. I hated that place. Good thing I love to read and was
able to amuse myself for 6 months until Dad and brother came home and we
could get the hell outta Dodge!


Yeah, thank Gawd for the public library and parents who encouraged
intellectual curiousity. Even the very smartest kids with all the
advantages were only interested in sports or raising hogs, I was mocked
because I read the _New York Times_ and the _Saturday Review_ and listened
to Leonard Bernstein records. I remember taking a church trip to DC and NYC
when I was a junior in HS, when I came back I was of course all agog over
what I'd seen (meeting our Senator, seeing the White House, going to a
Jewish Temple service, seeing the UN, staying at the Edison Hotel, seeing
the hit musical _Company_ and a taping of the _Dick Cavett Show_, etc.
etc.). A friend of mine (who was also the valedictorian of our class) just
dismissed it all by saying, "Oh Greg, I knew this would happen...".

In our school so many of the kids that went to college went to college
*with* the steadies they'd had since junior HS. They'd get married in
college, come back home (he'd farm, she'd teach). I can imaging being
limited because of money/social status but these kids had every advantage.
It's okay to come back home to settle down, but I mean, don't you want to
see a BIT of the world!? Don't you want to at least date more than ONE
person in your ENTIRE life!?

--
Best
Greg

"jmcquown" wrote in message
...
Gregory Morrow wrote:
Ranee Mueller wrote:

In article ,
sf wrote:

If you're a Northerner, you'll never fit into the South.

Amen to that. Rich and I lived in OK for three years, we were
made to feel more welcome in foreign countries than we were there.

That can be a small - town thing

Amen to the small town mindset. My mom, middle brother and I moved in
with
my grandparents in a very small town in Ohio (notice it's up north?) while
my oldest brother and my dad stayed in Thailand - Dad to finish his tour
of
duty and my oldest brother so he wouldn't be yanked out of school in his
senior year. Everyone in that town was "clannish". That thing Ranee said
about if you hadn't known everyone from 3rd grade (more like from birth)
is
absolutely true. I hated that place. Good thing I love to read and was
able to amuse myself for 6 months until Dad and brother came home and we
could get the hell outta Dodge!

Very similar to where I grew up in PA (also up north). Very small town (pop.
4,000) in the middle of nowhere. My mom's from upstate NY, and my dad's from
Chicago. We moved there when I was three. So many of the natives there are
related to one another in some way. I swear, there are only about 15
different surnames amongst the town's residents. Many, many of the kids I
graduated from high school with are still there. Ultra conservative,
narrow-minded, small town mentality, all the way.

Mary

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 03:09:23 -0500, jmcquown wrote:

sf wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:21:54 -0400, T wrote:

I'm really thinking of moving down south. Friend of mine keeps
begging me to come to Atlanta. So this May I'm planning on going
for a visit.

If you're a Northerner, you'll never fit into the South. A friend of
mine moved to Raleigh at least 15 years ago and she says that although
she's appears to be accepted, she will always be considered an
outsider. Think about moving to Arizona or New Mexico instead.

Who cares about being "accepted"? It's not like your neighbors are going to
vandalize your house simply because you moved from the northern U.S.! The
only problem is when you run into those folks who are still fighting the
"War of Northern Aggression" in their pea-brains. Most of the south is
aware that war has been over for 140 years. We have indoor plumbing and
paved roads, too

According to my friend it runs deeper than that. It's not some hick
who is chaffing for another Civil War.
--

Ham and eggs.
A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig.

On 24 Apr 2006 09:31:24 -0700, itsjoannotjoann wrote:

AMEN! I guess one of the main gripes people from the South have,
besides "THE WAR" is folks moving in from the North but always telling
us how much better it was at home. Well, go back if it's so much
better there. You made the decision to move here, now try to adapt and
don't be whining how you wished you were home. The South can now be
your home if you give it a try. We love meeting new people and making
friends!

She was very ready to blend in! It took her years to decide where to
move and she wanted to dive into the culture. I know her as a lovely,
generous and very social person. Her comments to me were not about
how Southerners appear on the surface, her comments were about what a
closed society they are beneath. If you're part of the Southern
culture, you probably aren't aware of how differetly you treat
outsiders.

In this case, being Southern is like being in the "in crowd". You
think you're being nice to them, but that's *not* their perception of
you.
--

Ham and eggs.
A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig.

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:31:24 -0700, itsjoannotjoann wrote:


jmcquown wrote:

Who cares about being "accepted"? It's not like your neighbors are going to
vandalize your house simply because you moved from the northern U.S.! The
only problem is when you run into those folks who are still fighting the
"War of Northern Aggression" in their pea-brains. Most of the south is
aware that war has been over for 140 years. We have indoor plumbing and
paved roads, too

Jill


AMEN! I guess one of the main gripes people from the South have,
besides "THE WAR" is folks moving in from the North but always telling
us how much better it was at home. Well, go back if it's so much
better there. You made the decision to move here, now try to adapt and
don't be whining how you wished you were home. The South can now be
your home if you give it a try. We love meeting new people and making
friends!

us'ins in the south are very friendly to outsiders, that is compared to
the north, east or west! Our hightly educated sounding southern accents
allow most in other areas to know we are there. We can go anywhere out of
they south and someone will point out the accent and laugh because they
can tell from the accent that stupid has arrived! LOL Then a good number
of them move on down..but they can never get the accent right. g Texas
is buldging with other cultures.. and they now WORK for US! I can't
figure out why they want to have stupids telling them what to do!
AHAHAHahahaha

sf wrote:


She was very ready to blend in! It took her years to decide where to
move and she wanted to dive into the culture. I know her as a lovely,
generous and very social person. Her comments to me were not about
how Southerners appear on the surface, her comments were about what a
closed society they are beneath. If you're part of the Southern
culture, you probably aren't aware of how differetly you treat
outsiders.

In this case, being Southern is like being in the "in crowd". You
think you're being nice to them, but that's *not* their perception of
you.
--

Ok, you're just getting an opinion from ONE person and just getting HER
take on things. Maybe it was the area she was living in, I don't know,
but just because she had a hard time "fitting in" don't think we're
all a bunch snobs and closed communities. Perhaps she was a bit
'standoff-ish' and didn't realize it, who knows what the perceive
slight was. Because one person you know had feeling of being snubbed
doesn't mean everyone feels that way. We truly do love making new
friends.

My one and only grip about 'Northerners' is when they say we don't know
how to drive in the snow. Well, uh YEAH! We don't get enough to learn
how to navigate in it. Heck, we can hear snow is predicted in another
state and we start driving off into the ditches. Are we supposed to
stay off the road because someone from the North is inconvenience
because we can't drive in the darn stuff? I guess we should save two
weeks of our vacation and take it in January in Minneapolis and take a
snow driving course.

I'm through preaching.

In article ,
sf wrote:

She was very ready to blend in! It took her years to decide where to
move and she wanted to dive into the culture. I know her as a lovely,
generous and very social person. Her comments to me were not about
how Southerners appear on the surface, her comments were about what a
closed society they are beneath. If you're part of the Southern
culture, you probably aren't aware of how differetly you treat
outsiders.

In this case, being Southern is like being in the "in crowd". You
think you're being nice to them, but that's *not* their perception of
you.

That was exactly it for us. Now, to be fair, we didn't live in the
deep south, and I've heard it is better there than the area in which we
lived.

People told us all the time how unfriendly northerners were, but we
were never invited into the "inner sanctum" of the culture in the south,
while anyone and everyone was invited in the north.

People smiled and were polite and even friendly in the south, but
that was as far as it got. You weren't part of them unless you'd been
there a couple generations.

Regards,
Ranee

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On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:06:29 -0700, Ranee Mueller
wrote:

If you're a Northerner, you'll never fit into the South. A friend of
mine moved to Raleigh at least 15 years ago and she says that although
she's appears to be accepted, she will always be considered an
outsider. Think about moving to Arizona or New Mexico instead.

Amen to that. Rich and I lived in OK for three years, we were made
to feel more welcome in foreign countries than we were there.

Woah! Oklahoma is =not= anywhere near the south; it's the midwest. No
idea how friendly or not they are there. I wouldn't even include Texas
as really being part of the south; it's more a country unto itself.
Arkansas is iffy. I'd accept it as southern in a pinch. g

Regards,
Tracy R. == southern since the late 1700s and perfectly happy to make
new friends

ravinwulf wrote:


Amen to that. Rich and I lived in OK for three years, we were made
to feel more welcome in foreign countries than we were there.

Woah! Oklahoma is =not= anywhere near the south; it's the midwest. No
idea how friendly or not they are there. I wouldn't even include Texas
as really being part of the south; it's more a country unto itself.
Arkansas is iffy. I'd accept it as southern in a pinch. g

Regards,
Tracy R. == southern since the late 1700s and perfectly happy to make
new friends


Believe it or not Oklahoma is sometimes considered a Southern state.
Don't jump on me :-) I didn't make the rules, but it's true. And most
times Texas is considered a Southern state, also. Those folks in Texas
tawk jes' like we do and I feel right at home.

In article ,
ravinwulf wrote:

Woah! Oklahoma is =not= anywhere near the south; it's the midwest. No
idea how friendly or not they are there. I wouldn't even include Texas
as really being part of the south; it's more a country unto itself.
Arkansas is iffy. I'd accept it as southern in a pinch. g

People said that, but it wasn't like the midwest at all. And south
of the Mason-Dixon line, part of the other side being decided during the
civil war, etc. They spoke with a drawl and ate southern foods. I'd
say south. Or Mid-south, if you will. They weren't southwest like some
people tried to classify them, that would be NM and AZ and parts of TX.

Regards,
Ranee

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On 25 Apr 2006 09:44:53 -0700, itsjoannotjoann wrote:

sf wrote:

She was very ready to blend in!
..snip
If you're part of the Southern culture, you probably aren't aware
of how differetly you treat outsiders.

In this case, being Southern is like being in the "in crowd". You
think you're being nice to them, but that's *not* their perception of
you.
--

Ok, you're just getting an opinion from ONE person and just getting HER
take on things. Maybe it was the area she was living in, I don't know,

I told you it was Raleigh.

but just because she had a hard time "fitting in" don't think we're
all a bunch snobs and closed communities. Perhaps she was a bit
'standoff-ish' and didn't realize it, who knows what the perceive
slight was.

NO, she doesn't have a stand-offish bone in her body.

Because one person you know had feeling of being snubbed
doesn't mean everyone feels that way.

This goes much deeper than being snubbed outright, so it's obvious you
don't have a clue because you're an integral part of the Southern
culture.

We truly do love making new friends.

We're talking on two different levels, so I'm sure you think you do,
but it's only on the surface.

--

Ham and eggs.
A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig.

sf wrote:
On 25 Apr 2006 09:44:53 -0700, itsjoannotjoann wrote:


We truly do love making new friends.

We're talking on two different levels, so I'm sure you think you do,
but it's only on the surface.


You don't know me, nor anything about me, you don't live in this area,
you're completely on the other side of the country so don't make
blanket statements that you have no knowledge of. It makes you look
extremely narrow minded and self righteous.

On 26 Apr 2006 13:48:31 -0700, itsjoannotjoann wrote:


sf wrote:
On 25 Apr 2006 09:44:53 -0700, itsjoannotjoann wrote:


We truly do love making new friends.

We're talking on two different levels, so I'm sure you think you do,
but it's only on the surface.


You don't know me, nor anything about me, you don't live in this area,
you're completely on the other side of the country so don't make
blanket statements that you have no knowledge of. It makes you look
extremely narrow minded and self righteous.

and I'm thinking the same about you
--

Ham and eggs.
A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig.

sf wrote:
On 25 Apr 2006 09:44:53 -0700, itsjoannotjoann wrote:

sf wrote:

She was very ready to blend in!
.snip
If you're part of the Southern culture, you probably aren't aware
of how differetly you treat outsiders.

In this case, being Southern is like being in the "in crowd". You
think you're being nice to them, but that's *not* their
perception of you.
--

Ok, you're just getting an opinion from ONE person and just getting
HER take on things. Maybe it was the area she was living in, I
don't know,

I told you it was Raleigh.

Um, like there is only one neighborhood in Raleigh, NC?

but just because she had a hard time "fitting in" don't think we're
all a bunch snobs and closed communities. Perhaps she was a bit
'standoff-ish' and didn't realize it, who knows what the perceive
slight was.

NO, she doesn't have a stand-offish bone in her body.

Because one person you know had feeling of being snubbed
doesn't mean everyone feels that way.

This goes much deeper than being snubbed outright, so it's obvious you
don't have a clue because you're an integral part of the Southern
culture.

Jill here, sf. You know I've lived all over the damn place. I encountered
more snootiness up north than I ever did in the south. Oh sure, a few folks
called me a "Yankee" when I moved here. I was 13 years old. Teenagers in
school do that sort of crap. I've never encountered an adult raised in the
south who did, though (okay, there was that one drunk guy in a bar LOL)

There have been a *lot* of people from the north move to the Memphis area
and they are perfectly nice. But the impression I've gotten from them has
also been they think we are 'quaint', as if we were Amish or something.
They make fun of the vernacular "y'all" and think nothing of doing so, as if
it's a huge joke.

And yes, it's, "What, you're afraid of a little snow?" Well, guess what?
Where I've lived in the south, we don't have snow tires or snow chains. We
don't have snow plows. And most of the time the majority of winter weather
is *ice*, not actual snow.

You don't have to be an integral part of southern culture to feel the
obvious snubs from some people who moved south from an area up north or even
from out west.

Jill

jay wrote:
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:31:24 -0700, itsjoannotjoann wrote:


jmcquown wrote:

Who cares about being "accepted"? It's not like your neighbors are
going to vandalize your house simply because you moved from the
northern U.S.! The only problem is when you run into those folks
who are still fighting the "War of Northern Aggression" in their
pea-brains. Most of the south is aware that war has been over for
140 years. We have indoor plumbing and paved roads, too

Jill


AMEN! I guess one of the main gripes people from the South have,
besides "THE WAR" is folks moving in from the North but always
telling
us how much better it was at home. Well, go back if it's so much
better there. You made the decision to move here, now try to adapt
and don't be whining how you wished you were home. The South can
now be
your home if you give it a try. We love meeting new people and
making friends!

us'ins in the south are very friendly to outsiders, that is compared
to
the north, east or west! Our hightly educated sounding southern
accents
allow most in other areas to know we are there. We can go anywhere
out of they south and someone will point out the accent and laugh
because they
can tell from the accent that stupid has arrived! LOL

I think this is funny because it's so true. People up north assume anyone
with a southern accent must be a stupid hillbilly. Talk about prejudice. I
have a slight southern accent but not overwhelming. I've lived in the south
for 34 years.

number
of them move on down..but they can never get the accent right. g

And why should they? Why should anyone care? Do people assume someone with
a British or Italian or Portuguese accent must be stupid? Nope, it's
usually just the accents from the southern U.S. and probably Mexican spanish
or Puerto Ricans. It's rather sad, really.

Jill