On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:21:54 -0400, T wrote:

I'm really thinking of moving down south. Friend of mine keeps begging
me to come to Atlanta. So this May I'm planning on going for a visit.

If you're a Northerner, you'll never fit into the South. A friend of
mine moved to Raleigh at least 15 years ago and she says that although
she's appears to be accepted, she will always be considered an
outsider. Think about moving to Arizona or New Mexico instead.
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sf wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:21:54 -0400, T wrote:

I'm really thinking of moving down south. Friend of mine keeps
begging me to come to Atlanta. So this May I'm planning on going
for a visit.

If you're a Northerner, you'll never fit into the South. A friend of
mine moved to Raleigh at least 15 years ago and she says that although
she's appears to be accepted, she will always be considered an
outsider. Think about moving to Arizona or New Mexico instead.

Who cares about being "accepted"? It's not like your neighbors are going to
vandalize your house simply because you moved from the northern U.S.! The
only problem is when you run into those folks who are still fighting the
"War of Northern Aggression" in their pea-brains. Most of the south is
aware that war has been over for 140 years. We have indoor plumbing and
paved roads, too

Jill

If there was no AC of course people would adapt. They obviously did
in the pre-A/C days. But I would guess less was expected in the way
of hygiene in those days. People must have really smelled bad, but
then everyone did so you wouldn't notice... Watching the HBO show
Deadwood, I've often wondered what the smells were in those days...


We're not talking pioneer days. Widespread home air-conditioning is
relatively recent. As I said elsethread, when I was kid in Oklahoma, we
didn't have A/C, nor did most of the people we knew. We, of course,
practiced normal hygiene. In fact, tended to bathe and wash more
frequently, as that's a way to cool off.


I can relate to this as well.. Though I lived in Chicago in those pre AC
days, but it did get hot and sticky in the summer. Hi 80's and 90's My first
job coming out the military was on the 20th floor in downtown Chicago, and
of course no AC. We opened windows, (no screens either) and everyone had
paper weights...

But my original comment was more towards the older days when not only was
there no AC, but no inside plumbing either. Any way, kinda fun to imagine
how it was, and appreciate what we have now.

Larry T

In article ,
sf wrote:

If you're a Northerner, you'll never fit into the South. A friend of
mine moved to Raleigh at least 15 years ago and she says that although
she's appears to be accepted, she will always be considered an
outsider. Think about moving to Arizona or New Mexico instead.

Amen to that. Rich and I lived in OK for three years, we were made
to feel more welcome in foreign countries than we were there. It did
not help our feelings toward the place, and I went there thinking it
might actually be nice, and that regardless you can live anywhere for a
couple years. There seemed to be an attitude that you made all your
friends by the third grade and you couldn't add any new ones until
someone moved or died. Needless to say, almost all of our friends were
people who moved there from other places.

Regards,
Ranee

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jmcquown wrote:

Who cares about being "accepted"? It's not like your neighbors are going to
vandalize your house simply because you moved from the northern U.S.! The
only problem is when you run into those folks who are still fighting the
"War of Northern Aggression" in their pea-brains. Most of the south is
aware that war has been over for 140 years. We have indoor plumbing and
paved roads, too

Jill


AMEN! I guess one of the main gripes people from the South have,
besides "THE WAR" is folks moving in from the North but always telling
us how much better it was at home. Well, go back if it's so much
better there. You made the decision to move here, now try to adapt and
don't be whining how you wished you were home. The South can now be
your home if you give it a try. We love meeting new people and making
friends!

"itsjoannotjoann" wrote in message
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jmcquown wrote:

Who cares about being "accepted"? It's not like your neighbors are
going to
vandalize your house simply because you moved from the northern U.S.!
The
only problem is when you run into those folks who are still fighting the
"War of Northern Aggression" in their pea-brains. Most of the south is
aware that war has been over for 140 years. We have indoor plumbing and
paved roads, too

Jill


AMEN! I guess one of the main gripes people from the South have,
besides "THE WAR" is folks moving in from the North but always telling
us how much better it was at home. Well, go back if it's so much
better there. You made the decision to move here, now try to adapt and
don't be whining how you wished you were home. The South can now be
your home if you give it a try. We love meeting new people and making
friends!


You know, I've only lived in the south for a year and a half, but I hear
about how much better it is in "New Yawk" all the time. Heck, I may not
like living in the South, but you gotta admit, Hawaii is better than Florida
and I still left Hawaii for Florida. Go home you damn fools or deal with
it! I'm trying.

kili ------ who misses her ocean, her mountains, her Pacific-Rim cuisine
and her flora.

kilikini wrote:


You know, I've only lived in the south for a year and a half, but I hear
about how much better it is in "New Yawk" all the time. Heck, I may not
like living in the South, but you gotta admit, Hawaii is better than Florida
and I still left Hawaii for Florida. Go home you damn fools or deal with
it! I'm trying.

kili ------ who misses her ocean, her mountains, her Pacific-Rim cuisine
and her flora.


You'll always miss Hawaii, no getting around it, but don't make
yourself miserable because you are here and not there. Not sure
exactly where you are in Florida, but you got the Gulf of Mexico and
the Atlantic Ocean instead of the Pacific. Two for one!! I would
think some of those tropical plants would grow in Florida, but don't
take my word for it. I have a terrible habit of killing plants even if
I have followed the directions to the letter.

"itsjoannotjoann" wrote in message
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jmcquown wrote:

Who cares about being "accepted"? It's not like your neighbors are
going to
vandalize your house simply because you moved from the northern U.S.!
The
only problem is when you run into those folks who are still fighting the
"War of Northern Aggression" in their pea-brains. Most of the south is
aware that war has been over for 140 years. We have indoor plumbing and
paved roads, too

Jill


AMEN! I guess one of the main gripes people from the South have,
besides "THE WAR" is folks moving in from the North but always telling
us how much better it was at home. Well, go back if it's so much
better there. You made the decision to move here, now try to adapt and
don't be whining how you wished you were home. The South can now be
your home if you give it a try. We love meeting new people and making
friends!


AMEN again! Many people moved to the Houston area when jobs were plentiful
here and things were difficult in the car manufacturing biz. Some (not all,
but a lot) complained incessantly about the traffic, humidity, etc. While
all are genuine complaints many overlooked the positive side of living here
(and there are a lot of pluses) and Texans tired of hearing the
multitudinous complaints. I used to wonder if they had at least one nice
thing to say about Texas (where they were able to make a decent living).

Chris in Pearland, TX

"T" wrote in message
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..

I'm really thinking of moving down south. Friend of mine keeps begging
me to come to Atlanta. So this May I'm planning on going for a visit.



I have a son who was born and raised in Tx and he has moved around quite a
bit with jobs. He lived in the Atlanta area for awhile, Peach Tree City. He
loved it. He said it was cheaper than Tx. and they all ran around on golf
carts. He will probably retire there someday.

.

I'm really thinking of moving down south. Friend of mine keeps begging
me to come to Atlanta. So this May I'm planning on going for a visit.



I have a son who was born and raised in Tx and he has moved around quite a
bit with jobs. He lived in the Atlanta area for awhile, Peach Tree City.
He
loved it. He said it was cheaper than Tx. and they all ran around on golf
carts. He will probably retire there someday.

Yep, it's kinda like "if you can't be with the one you love, love the one
you're with"

Larry T

Chris Marksberry wrote:
"itsjoannotjoann" wrote in message
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jmcquown wrote:

Who cares about being "accepted"? It's not like your neighbors are
going to vandalize your house simply because you moved from the
northern U.S.! The only problem is when you run into those folks
who are still fighting the "War of Northern Aggression" in their
pea-brains. Most of the south is aware that war has been over for
140 years. We have indoor plumbing and paved roads, too

Jill


AMEN! I guess one of the main gripes people from the South have,
besides "THE WAR" is folks moving in from the North but always
telling
us how much better it was at home. Well, go back if it's so much
better there. You made the decision to move here, now try to adapt
and don't be whining how you wished you were home. The South can
now be
your home if you give it a try. We love meeting new people and
making friends!


AMEN again! Many people moved to the Houston area when jobs were
plentiful here and things were difficult in the car manufacturing
biz. Some (not all, but a lot) complained incessantly about the
traffic, humidity, etc. While all are genuine complaints many
overlooked the positive side of living here (and there are a lot of
pluses) and Texans tired of hearing the multitudinous complaints. I
used to wonder if they had at least one nice thing to say about Texas
(where they were able to make a decent living).

Chris in Pearland, TX

When International Paper relocated its corporate headquarters from NYC to
Memphis oh so many years ago, I can tell you those northerners who had homes
outside the city and Connecticut (who had to commute into the city every day
by train after driving to the train station), or apartments in the city,
were *thrilled* at the cost of real estate down here! What would be a
$1Million+ home up there was about $300,000 down here; often much larger,
too. Often with a fair amount of acreage, swimming pool and other amenities
their mini-mansions didn't have up north. They quickly got over their
complaints about the heat and humidity, etc. and set up housekeeping in a
style in which they were *not* accustomed!

Jill

LT wrote:

I can relate to this as well.. Though I lived in Chicago in those pre AC
days, but it did get hot and sticky in the summer. Hi 80's and 90's My
first
job coming out the military was on the 20th floor in downtown Chicago, and
of course no AC. We opened windows, (no screens either) and everyone had
paper weights...


Summers here in Chicago can be *brutal*. Last summer was terrible, and ten
years ago a huge heat wave killed so many that they had to bring in
refrigerated tractor trucks to hold the deceased...

Some summers it may rarely reach 90 even once and hence be pleasant, others
are hellish. There's just no tellin'...


But my original comment was more towards the older days when not only was
there no AC, but no inside plumbing either. Any way, kinda fun to imagine
how it was, and appreciate what we have now.


Was reading about the "Golden 50's" recently, I was surprised to learn that
about 20% of US dwellings had no indoor plumbing/toilets...back c. 1940 the
percentage was something like 40%. Go back a few years further and a
considerable number of folks didn't even have electricity..

--
Best
Greg

Ranee Mueller wrote:

In article ,
sf wrote:

If you're a Northerner, you'll never fit into the South. A friend of
mine moved to Raleigh at least 15 years ago and she says that although
she's appears to be accepted, she will always be considered an
outsider. Think about moving to Arizona or New Mexico instead.

Amen to that. Rich and I lived in OK for three years, we were made
to feel more welcome in foreign countries than we were there. It did
not help our feelings toward the place, and I went there thinking it
might actually be nice, and that regardless you can live anywhere for a
couple years. There seemed to be an attitude that you made all your
friends by the third grade and you couldn't add any new ones until
someone moved or died. Needless to say, almost all of our friends were
people who moved there from other places.


That can be a small - town thing, or it just may be because the locale is
"intellectually challenged". I grew up in that atmosphere in downstate
Illannoy and couldn't wait to flee it. Basically the people are such
dullards (and it has nothing to do with intelligence lever per se) that
they aren't the least bit interested in new things or broadening their
horizons...

--
Best
Greg

Gregory Morrow wrote:
Ranee Mueller wrote:

In article ,
sf wrote:

If you're a Northerner, you'll never fit into the South.

Amen to that. Rich and I lived in OK for three years, we were
made to feel more welcome in foreign countries than we were there.

That can be a small - town thing

Amen to the small town mindset. My mom, middle brother and I moved in with
my grandparents in a very small town in Ohio (notice it's up north?) while
my oldest brother and my dad stayed in Thailand - Dad to finish his tour of
duty and my oldest brother so he wouldn't be yanked out of school in his
senior year. Everyone in that town was "clannish". That thing Ranee said
about if you hadn't known everyone from 3rd grade (more like from birth) is
absolutely true. I hated that place. Good thing I love to read and was
able to amuse myself for 6 months until Dad and brother came home and we
could get the hell outta Dodge!

Jill

"Chris Marksberry" wrote in message
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"itsjoannotjoann" wrote in message
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jmcquown wrote:

Who cares about being "accepted"? It's not like your neighbors are
going to
vandalize your house simply because you moved from the northern U.S.!
The
only problem is when you run into those folks who are still fighting
the
"War of Northern Aggression" in their pea-brains. Most of the south is
aware that war has been over for 140 years. We have indoor plumbing
and
paved roads, too

Jill


AMEN! I guess one of the main gripes people from the South have,
besides "THE WAR" is folks moving in from the North but always telling
us how much better it was at home. Well, go back if it's so much
better there. You made the decision to move here, now try to adapt and
don't be whining how you wished you were home. The South can now be
your home if you give it a try. We love meeting new people and making
friends!


AMEN again! Many people moved to the Houston area when jobs were
plentiful
here and things were difficult in the car manufacturing biz. Some (not
all,
but a lot) complained incessantly about the traffic, humidity, etc. While
all are genuine complaints many overlooked the positive side of living
here
(and there are a lot of pluses) and Texans tired of hearing the
multitudinous complaints. I used to wonder if they had at least one nice
thing to say about Texas (where they were able to make a decent living).

I've always had lots of good things to say about TX (and Houston, in
particular). Sure, I've done my (minimal) share of griping about the
traffic and heat/humidity, but I've really loved living down here these last
15 years, and I'm going to miss it a great deal (we're moving to Maryland in
a couple of months). I wonder if the Baltimore area has even half of what
the Houston area has to offer...

Gotta say, I've never really experienced the feeling of not being accepted
here--probably because most of the people I've met are originally from
somewhere else themselves.

Mary