"Dave Smith" wrote in message
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Goomba38 wrote:

And did you offer to help out with the planning, training or take over
the labor of teaching tent raising to a bunch of boys? Why was she the
only one planning that trip? A team effort might have spotted some of
the problems in advance and worked out the kinks.

There a some problems unique to youth activities. While there are cub
leaders
who ware willing to take over the leadership of a pack and those who
really love
the stuff, there are some who are just petty little dictators who like to
be in
charge for the sake of being in charge.

Then there is the problem of getting parents involved to help out with
activities. I had a good example there. My parents were both very helpful
in any
activities my brothers and I got involved with, especially my father. He
always
took on an executive position with any activities or teams that we joined.
Most
parents don't. They seem to consider it to be someone else's job. When my
son was
on cubs my wife and I often volunteered to help. We ended up getting
sucked into
everything because the other parents didn't care.




We experienced the same thing with baseball. Some parents would just drop
the kids off and leave - and I'm talking about GAMES, not just practice!
What the hell is that about? They didn't stick around to cheer for their own
kids. Assholes.

Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:43:47 -0600, OmManiPadmeOmelet
wrote:

In article ,
Damsel in dis Dress wrote:

On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:57:57 -0600, OmManiPadmeOmelet
wrote:

On the upside Carol, it's not GS cookie season right now! G
That's okay. Girl Scouts are pretty scarce around here, so temptation
isn't an issue. Cookies re one of my worst vices.
There is always that line from Adams Family:

"Are they made with real Girl Scouts?"

Best line in the movie. Actually, the only line that I remember.

Carol

My favorite line from that movie - Wednesday comes down the stairs on
Halloween looking just like Wednesday - she is asked where her Halloween
costume is, her reply "I'm wearing it. I am a homicidal Maniac, they
look just like everyone else."

For some reason that line makes me laugh to the point of tears

"notbob" wrote

On 2006-03-29, Nancy Young wrote:

That is one organization I have no use for.

Likewise. Used to really **** me off, my company's yearly campaign to
extort money for UW. Monthly payroll deductions, no less. I
steadfastly refused, choosing to make contributions directly to the
orgs of my choice.

Ditto. And one year they made me the group representative to go
to the propoganda session and then try to round up donations from
the other people in the department. I put my personal feelings aside
and took care of it but man, I had to bite my tongue.

nancy

notbob wrote:

That is one organization I have no use for.

Likewise. Used to really **** me off, my company's yearly campaign to
extort money for UW. Monthly payroll deductions, no less. I
steadfastly refused, choosing to make contributions directly to the
orgs of my choice.

One year I was recruited to run the UW campaign in our district. I went
to the big meeting and heard all about the organizations that fall under
the umbrella and how it saves the fund-raising for all the individual
organizations. A few months later, a woman on our office came around
collecting for some other umbrella organization.

Doug Kanter wrote:

We experienced the same thing with baseball. Some parents would just drop
the kids off and leave - and I'm talking about GAMES, not just practice!
What the hell is that about? They didn't stick around to cheer for their own
kids. Assholes.

And if it is an out of town game and they needed someone to drive, don't count
on them offering. It's the same parents all the time. You have a very small
number who will automatically offer, some who can be persuaded, and then those
that you don't even bother asking.

I could understand my father not hanging around for all my things because he had
too many things on the go. My younger brother and I were in cubs and he was on
the Group Committee. My older brother was into hockey and Dad was the team
manager and involved with the local league. My oldest brother was an air cadet
and Dad was an officer on the Squadron. Jut about every activity we got involved
in he took a part in running.

On 2006-03-29, Nancy Young wrote:

Ditto. And one year they made me the group representative to go
to the propoganda session and then try to round up donations from
the other people in the department.

Ouch!

No one escaped those brainwashing sessions at our company. We were a
"Pillar" contributor and management loved the image. Top VP's were
used to sweat the troops. I always brought a good book to read.

nb

"Nola" wrote in message
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On 29-Mar-2006, (Glitter Ninja) wrote:

I just have a problem with an organization that requires
religious worship. It's not any of their business whether a family
attends church or not, and if they do, what church they go to.

Stacia

Then stay away from the BSA, a private, non-profit organization that
clearly
states its mission to be:
"to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their
lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Law."

***snip***


It's not like they have a secret agenda and trick boys into a cult. If
you
don't believe in, or at least are open to, these things, you have no place
in BSA - just as you would have no place in a church's Sunday School. Go
start your own organization to have fun and promote ethical and moral
choices in a Godless manner and quite bitching that those with God in
their
life are depriving you of something.

Damn God-hating liberals are as bad as the whacko fundamentalists.


Do you understand that not believing in a deity, or believing in a different
one than someone else are not the same as "hating god"?

On 2006-03-29, Nola wrote:


start your own organization to have fun and promote ethical and moral
choices in a Godless manner and quite bitching that those with God in their
life are depriving you of something.

It would be nice if everyone who desires the autonomy of their own beliefs
would extend the same courtesy to others.

Damn God-hating liberals are as bad as the whacko fundamentalists.

So, only God fearing conservatives have it right. Now nice for you.

nb

"notbob" wrote

On 2006-03-29, Nancy Young wrote:

Ditto. And one year they made me the group representative to go
to the propoganda session and then try to round up donations from
the other people in the department.

Ouch!

No one escaped those brainwashing sessions at our company. We were a
"Pillar" contributor and management loved the image. Top VP's were
used to sweat the troops. I always brought a good book to read.

I would love to know what upper management gets in return
for this whole rigamarole, and you know it's something. They
finally did get into trouble for stuff along those lines some time ago,
I'm sure it still goes on. Love how they conveniently gloss over that
they are just another layer of administrative costs.

I just donate directly, as you do. Cut out the middleman in a
good way.

nancy

"Nola" wrote in message
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On 29-Mar-2006, "Doug Kanter" wrote:

Do you understand that not believing in a deity, or believing in a
different
one than someone else are not the same as "hating god"?

Absolutely understood; it's difficult to hate something you don't believe
in.

Do you understand the "God-hating" is just short-hand for "hates to see
others receive joy from something that they can't/won't participate in and
strongly prefers to deny others that joy".

I'm not a particularly regious person, I'm just sick and tired of people
who
whine about being "troubled" by religion being involved in things. Get a
life, find something to enjoy, quite trying to eliminate religion from
everything.

"non-believers" are about as bad to be around as reformed smokers.


Since nothing you've said is related in any way to what anyone else has said
here, I'm confused. So, let me see if I can get a handle on your views.
Earlier, I described two situations. I'd like your views on both, please.

1) My son's scout troop was about to leave on a long trip. The troop leader
asked a priest to say a prayer blessing the kids for a safe journey. One kid
was a Buddhist and did not say amen. The leader loudly criticized him for
that. **** What do you see wrong with the entire description I've given
you, beginning with the words "My son's"?

2) When my son told the troop leader he might want to earn the religious
whatever merit badge as a Unitarian, she told him the BSA had eliminated the
badge from its choices. What do you see wrong with this?

Nola wrote:



Absolutely understood; it's difficult to hate something you don't believe
in.

Do you understand the "God-hating" is just short-hand for "hates to see
others receive joy from something that they can't/won't participate in and
strongly prefers to deny others that joy".

Don't think of it as "God-hating". Think of it has having an intense dislike and
disrespect for those who try foist their superstitions on everyone else and who
have a smug self-righteous attitude about their moral superiority that they
assume with their beliefs.

Goodness! I never expected this thread to take off like this! :-)

Gotta love thread drift. lol
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article ,
notbob wrote:

On 2006-03-29, Nola wrote:


start your own organization to have fun and promote ethical and moral
choices in a Godless manner and quite bitching that those with God in their
life are depriving you of something.

It would be nice if everyone who desires the autonomy of their own beliefs
would extend the same courtesy to others.

Damn God-hating liberals are as bad as the whacko fundamentalists.

So, only God fearing conservatives have it right. Now nice for you.

nb


lol There has been an ongoing thing on the local radio the past few
days... One of our local militant atheists is challenging the Texas
constitution.

Seems that in order to hold public office, you have to believe in a
higher power, so that excludes atheists.

With the whole concept of separation of church and state, that could get
interesting.......

Separation of church and state in the middle east would sure be nice.
sigh They might actually be able to accomplish something.
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

Goomba38 wrote:
salgud wrote:
GS cookes are a total rip-off! Anyone who buys them should be punished
to the fullest extent of the law! They demean the GS, who make very
little from them, line the pockets of the manufacturer, and defraud the
customer. This is a total hoax and should not be allowed to continue!

Actually with a cost of $3.50/box the troops themselves make a nice
little bit of coin after the council and bakery get their cut. And I
LIKE their product, which can't be said for a lot of schlock sold as
fund raising items.

Ok, let's try this one more time!
1. Read the first paragraph in my post.
2. Now read the second paragraph.
3. Think about both.
4. See it? If yes, stop. If no, return to step 1.

In article ,
notbob wrote:

On 2006-03-29, Nancy Young wrote:

Ditto. And one year they made me the group representative to go
to the propoganda session and then try to round up donations from
the other people in the department.

Ouch!

No one escaped those brainwashing sessions at our company. We were a
"Pillar" contributor and management loved the image. Top VP's were
used to sweat the troops. I always brought a good book to read.

nb

Hee!

We get those annually as "continuing education".

I know for a fact tho' that the "Disney corporate concept" has been very
good for moral and has brought up our Press Ganey customer satisfaction
rating by a considerable amount.

I'm not convinced anymore that it's such a bad thing.
At first I considered it patronizing and beneath my dignity, until I saw
how well it worked. Initially I considered it an insult to my
intelligence and it ****ed me off.

It promotes better teamwork, and makes you think about someone other
than yourself........
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson