Nola wrote:

REVERENT
A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He
respects the beliefs of others."

It's not like they have a secret agenda and trick boys into a cult. If you
don't believe in, or at least are open to, these things, you have no place
in BSA - just as you would have no place in a church's Sunday School. Go
start your own organization to have fun and promote ethical and moral
choices in a Godless manner and quite bitching that those with God in their
life are depriving you of something.

No, they don't, and I don't believe they "require" you to go to church.
My brother did several years as a boy scout & our family never went to
church, but we were not Athiests. Maybe it depends on the troop & what
type of leader is involved.

Damn God-hating liberals are as bad as the whacko fundamentalists.

Quite the statement. Sounds a bit, um, hateful to me.

Jude wrote:

Are you familiar with the phrase "separation of church and state"? Or
the concept that out founding fathers were trying to protect the
colonists' desires to escape the King's REQUIREMENT that English
citizens in the 1700s were to be actively involved with the Anglican
Church? They came here to escape force-fed religion. Now that the world
is full up, where do you want people to take their alternate belief
systems to form a new country? American citizens should have a
protected right to be involved in activities freely without worrying
about religious affiliation or shame about believing in something
different. Especially children.


But the Boy Scouts aren't a state organization. They're a private one.
Sort of like the Augusta National is a private golf club, yet Martha
Burke wanted to force them to admit women. She even was stupid enough to
rant that if they didn't maybe "we ought to move The Masters
elsewhere.." LOL LOL LOL.
Goomba

Yeff wrote:
On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:05:00 -0600, Damsel in dis Dress wrote:

There is always that line from Adams Family:

"Are they made with real Girl Scouts?"
Best line in the movie. Actually, the only line that I remember.

My favorite is:

Wednesday: Please pass the salt.
Morticia: And what do we say?
Wednesday: NOW!

LOL that's mine too!!!

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
In article ,
"Nancy Young" wrote:

"notbob" wrote

On 2006-03-29, Nancy Young wrote:

Boy Scouts around here are in big trouble too ... somehow
their council wound up in a million or two debt.

Might have something to do with United Way, which BSA mistakenly
hitched their wagon to.

That is one organization I have no use for.

nancy



Gods.

Ditto here!

They take thousands of $$$ from communities that could put the funds to
FAR better use!!!

Our hospital used to have an annual thing where they offered paycheck
deductions to donate.

Hell no!

Goal was $100,000.00 from that community, and I know for a fact that
there are families that live in dirt floor homes with no plumbing.

Use local money for local problems. UW never did SQUAT for the poor in
our area!

Damn, that'll get me to cussing. I hate those stealing bastids.
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

I always hated the way this "charitable" organization would get my
management to high pressure the employees to be "generous". Kind of a
"get generous or else" policy! I never contributed.

I've also heard and read the horror stories from many of the charities
they fund, or attempt to fund. A friend of mine who ran a local
charity, known in the area for being extremely effective in dealing
with troubled kids, applied for UF funding when he first started making
a difference and needed more money to expand. He found out quickly that
UF would basically take over direction of his charity, and that the
many requirements he'd have to meet to quality would render him totally
ineffective. He found funding elsewhere!

I've never given UF a nickel, and I'm proud of it.

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
Thin mints.
--
Peace, Om.

To Hell with the Girl Scouts and their trans-fatty cookies.

--Bryan

In article . com,
"salgud" wrote:

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
In article ,
"Nancy Young" wrote:

"notbob" wrote

On 2006-03-29, Nancy Young wrote:

Boy Scouts around here are in big trouble too ... somehow
their council wound up in a million or two debt.

Might have something to do with United Way, which BSA mistakenly
hitched their wagon to.

That is one organization I have no use for.

nancy



Gods.

Ditto here!

They take thousands of $$$ from communities that could put the funds to
FAR better use!!!

Our hospital used to have an annual thing where they offered paycheck
deductions to donate.

Hell no!

Goal was $100,000.00 from that community, and I know for a fact that
there are families that live in dirt floor homes with no plumbing.

Use local money for local problems. UW never did SQUAT for the poor in
our area!

Damn, that'll get me to cussing. I hate those stealing bastids.
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack
Nicholson

I always hated the way this "charitable" organization would get my
management to high pressure the employees to be "generous". Kind of a
"get generous or else" policy! I never contributed.

Ours never bullied about it... ;-)
Just suggested in the newsletter.
We have too many poor minimum wage workers methinks in housekeeping and
the dining room.

I know they make better than minimum wage, but probably not by much.


I've also heard and read the horror stories from many of the charities
they fund, or attempt to fund. A friend of mine who ran a local
charity, known in the area for being extremely effective in dealing
with troubled kids, applied for UF funding when he first started making
a difference and needed more money to expand. He found out quickly that
UF would basically take over direction of his charity, and that the
many requirements he'd have to meet to quality would render him totally
ineffective. He found funding elsewhere!

I've never given UF a nickel, and I'm proud of it.

UW. United way... but I get the point. :-)



--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article .com,
"Food Snob" wrote:

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
Thin mints.
--
Peace, Om.

To Hell with the Girl Scouts and their trans-fatty cookies.

--Bryan


Go to hell.

Go straight to hell.

Do not pass go,
do not collect $200.00.....

Thank you for playing and have a nice day!
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"Nola" wrote in message
...

REVERENT
A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He
respects the beliefs of others."

Hmmmm...but only if those beliefs match his own, right???


It's not like they have a secret agenda and trick boys into a cult. If
you
don't believe in, or at least are open to, these things, you have no place
in BSA - just as you would have no place in a church's Sunday School. Go
start your own organization to have fun and promote ethical and moral
choices in a Godless manner and quite bitching that those with God in
their
life are depriving you of something.

What exactly is the "official" religion of BSA? I see no mention of J. H.
Christ, so it's just a general belief in "God"? What God? Different
religions believe in different Gods. What if someone believed in Allah,
rather than the more widely-accepted western idea of God? Allah would be
that person's God. Would that be acceptable to BSA?

Mary

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:


That's funny as hell and I was not aware of that. ;-)
Hubbard being an excellent Sci-fi author (my favorite book of his is
"The Man that Fell to Earth") I'm not surprised.

I'm not aware of that book. There is The Man Who Fell to Earth, but
that wasn't written by Lron.


There are many that believe that, due to the racial diversity etc.,
that earth was colonized by various humanoids and we did not evolve
here.

Idiots might believe that.



Brian
--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

Food Snob wrote:


OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
Thin mints.
--
Peace, Om.

To Hell with the Girl Scouts and their trans-fatty cookies.

Oh boo-hoo. Thin Mints have 1 gram trans-fat, to 4 of saturated and 7
total. Whoopty-do.

I forget, why haven't I killfiled your worthless ass? No matter, I'll
take care of it right now.



Brian
--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

"Denise~*" wrote in message
...
Nola wrote:

REVERENT
A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties.
He
respects the beliefs of others."

It's not like they have a secret agenda and trick boys into a cult. If
you
don't believe in, or at least are open to, these things, you have no
place
in BSA - just as you would have no place in a church's Sunday School. Go
start your own organization to have fun and promote ethical and moral
choices in a Godless manner and quite bitching that those with God in
their
life are depriving you of something.

No, they don't, and I don't believe they "require" you to go to church.
My brother did several years as a boy scout & our family never went to
church, but we were not Athiests. Maybe it depends on the troop & what
type of leader is involved.

Definitely. The BSA does not vet its leaders well enough to be sure they
finished high school. Or 6th grade.



Damn God-hating liberals are as bad as the whacko fundamentalists.

Quite the statement. Sounds a bit, um, hateful to me.

I believe it retracted its statement a few minutes ago, in sort of a
roundabout way.

"Nola" wrote in message
t...

I believe you are mistaken; my original post was in reply to Stacia, who
said
On 29-Mar-2006, (Glitter Ninja) wrote:
I just have a problem with an organization that requires
religious worship. It's not any of their business whether a family
attends church or not, and if they do, what church they go to.

Stacia's text in no way indicates hatred of god.



They relate because BSA has as one of its main, clearly set forth
precepts, the belief in God. They don't require church attendance, nor
belief in a specific brand of religion. They do understand that atheism
is not a belief in God. I hope you are no longer confused about how my
comments relate.

That's correct.



1) The scout leader was wrong; though it is perfectly fine in my view for
BSA to include religion in its programs, it should not take issue with
which
"brand" you choose. It is possible to make religious references in a
non-denominational manner and the leader should be counselled on how such
things can be handled. As a former corpsman in the military, I have seen
many non-denominational blessings, services and memorials that handled
differences sensitively.

If the military can manage this, BSA should be able to do the same.




2) I don't know the details surrounding the situation but will venture
the
following?
a. If the religious whatever merit badge has been eliminated, I think
that is wrong, given the mission of BSA, and effort should be expended
to return it.
b. If the leader lied and there is still a religious whatever badge,
the leader should be counselled and, if necessary thrown out of
scouting
for not living up to the Oath and Laws. Though it should be well
known, it is apparently overlooked by many, scouting is as much about
building character as anything.
c. If the leader is mis-informed, the the answer to how to handle
should be obvious; educate them.

The Unitarian merit badge was eliminated because BSA feels that particular
religion is too tolerant of gays. Nice, eh?

Doug Kanter wrote:

The Unitarian merit badge was eliminated because BSA feels that particular
religion is too tolerant of gays. Nice, eh?

....and atheists too, I believe?

In article ,
"Default User" wrote:

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:


That's funny as hell and I was not aware of that. ;-)
Hubbard being an excellent Sci-fi author (my favorite book of his is
"The Man that Fell to Earth") I'm not surprised.

I'm not aware of that book. There is The Man Who Fell to Earth, but
that wasn't written by Lron.

Dammit. I got the name wrong... I work nights, been up since 8 PM last
night. WTF was the name of the book about the kid that was raised by
martions, then brought back to earth and he had to adjust to our culture?
The kids name was Michael IRRC. I've not read the book in several
years...

Sorry!



There are many that believe that, due to the racial diversity etc.,
that earth was colonized by various humanoids and we did not evolve
here.

Idiots might believe that.

Who's to say they are wrong? ;-)

I'm not saying I believe that, just that I am open to any possibility.




Brian
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

On 2006-03-29, Doug Kanter wrote:

Definitely. The BSA does not vet its leaders well enough to be sure they
finished high school. Or 6th grade.

What does education have to do with it? If a person takes on the
responsibility of taking boys/girls under their wing to provide moral
leadership and gives of their time and energy, why should education be
a criteria?

I believe it retracted its statement.....

"it"?

nb