It seems the best food isn't cooked much or is cooked in a plain
manner. Oatmeal is just oats plus water. Likewise, Shredded Wheat is
only whole wheat with no added sugar, etc. Add a few blueberries,
strawberries or banana to that and it makes a very nutritious
breakfast. Lactose-free fat-free milk adds essentially no fat. You
don't need to add salt either. Salads and fruit are best just as they
are without adding dressing or cheese or croutons.

Most people agree that a potato is good food until you fry it or mash
it and add salt and butter and milk to it. Then it becomes high
calorie, high fat and probably less healthy. It is better just
microwaved, boiled or baked, period.

Part of the problem seems to be that people understand that simple
unprocessed food is best, but there are social pressures especially
within families to eat otherwise. When your wife/husband prides
themselves as a cook, it becomes a personal insult to them if you do
not eat their food, never mind the fact that everyone in the family is
overweight. Kids feel cheated if you do not take them to McDonalds,
etc.

Groups like this have great intentions. Sharing recipes, etc. That is
part of the live to eat mentality however. I'll say it anyway. A
simple, vegetarian, low-salt, low-fat, low calorie diet high in whole
grains, fruit, vegetables and fiber is the healthiest way to eat. This
involves almost no cooking at all.

wrote in message
ups.com...
It seems the best food isn't cooked much or is cooked in a plain
manner. Oatmeal is just oats plus water. Likewise, Shredded Wheat is
only whole wheat with no added sugar, etc. Add a few blueberries,
strawberries or banana to that and it makes a very nutritious
breakfast. Lactose-free fat-free milk adds essentially no fat. You
don't need to add salt either. Salads and fruit are best just as they
are without adding dressing or cheese or croutons.

Most people agree that a potato is good food until you fry it or mash
it and add salt and butter and milk to it. Then it becomes high
calorie, high fat and probably less healthy. It is better just
microwaved, boiled or baked, period.

Part of the problem seems to be that people understand that simple
unprocessed food is best, but there are social pressures especially
within families to eat otherwise. When your wife/husband prides
themselves as a cook, it becomes a personal insult to them if you do
not eat their food, never mind the fact that everyone in the family is
overweight. Kids feel cheated if you do not take them to McDonalds,
etc.

Groups like this have great intentions. Sharing recipes, etc. That is
part of the live to eat mentality however. I'll say it anyway. A
simple, vegetarian, low-salt, low-fat, low calorie diet high in whole
grains, fruit, vegetables and fiber is the healthiest way to eat. This
involves almost no cooking at all.


It may surprise you to learn that many people consider enjoyment of life to
be more important than its length in years. I'd much rather live 80 years
enjoying the rich variety of foods the world has to offer than live 85 years
nibbling carrots and walnuts. In any case there's no evidence that the diet
you suggest is actually healthier than a more varied diet that includes
meat, eggs, dairy, and other foods in reasonable amounts. All the recent
evidence about the lack of real; benefit of so-called "healthy" diets is
driving the vegetarian nags crazy.


--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths page at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 06:03:54 -0800, dkw12002 wrote:


Groups like this have great intentions. Sharing recipes, etc. That is
part of the live to eat mentality however. I'll say it anyway. A
simple, vegetarian, low-salt, low-fat, low calorie diet high in whole
grains, fruit, vegetables and fiber is the healthiest way to eat. This
involves almost no cooking at all.

Intentions? Is your last name chung? Nice sermon. Have you ever had
mortadella?


To make Mortadella of veal.
Take lean meat from the haunch and pound it with some pork fat or good fat
of veal like you pound meat for pasties. Then add wel brayed parsley and
marjoram and the yolk of an egg with a little grated cheese, more or less
according to the quantity you want to make, and spices and saffron. Mix al
these things with the aforementioned meat. Then take a pork caul or the
caul of an ox or another animal so that it is good, and wind the
aforementioned mixture in this caul, forming pieces as large as an egg or
something like that. Put in on the gridiron or spit and cook it gently so
that it will not be too done.

Serve with whole grains, fruit and lactose-free fat-free milk.

Do you eat the thing, or dig a hole, bury it and place a headstone?

wrote:
Why not do both..live a long time and enjoy life including eating. Food
preference is just that. If you do not eat meat for a couple of weeks,
it begins to smell rotten to you, for example. Yes, there is evidence
that a high-fat diet suggested by eggs, dairy, meat is not good for
you. You can eat egg whites and throw away the yolk though, and drink
nonfat milk and eat very little meat. Then you don't have to call
yourself a vegetarian.



Or I can still eat fish and chicken and call my self a vegetarian just
to annoy people.

Best regards,
Bob

wrote:
Most people agree that a potato is good food until you fry it or mash
it and add salt and butter and milk to it. Then it becomes high
calorie, high fat and probably less healthy. It is better just
microwaved, boiled or baked, period.

Who are "most people"? I'd like to meet them. I'd also like to meet the
person who eats baked potatoes without adding some butter, sour cream or
even some other additions.

Part of the problem seems to be that people understand that simple
unprocessed food is best, but there are social pressures especially
within families to eat otherwise.

Social pressures to eat? Huh. Never would have thunk it.

Groups like this have great intentions. Sharing recipes, etc. That is
part of the live to eat mentality however. I'll say it anyway. A
simple, vegetarian, low-salt, low-fat, low calorie diet high in whole
grains, fruit, vegetables and fiber is the healthiest way to eat. This
involves almost no cooking at all.

If you don't like cooking why are you here? You aren't going to convert
anyone to vegetarianism if they like to eat meat by making such postings
here. We have a few contributors who don't eat meat but they also don't
subsist on raw veggies and uncooked, either. And you're fooling yourself if
you think Shredded Wheat hasn't been processed. Perhaps you should learn to
read a few labels.

Jill

wrote in message
ups.com...
It seems the best food isn't cooked much or is cooked in a plain
manner. Oatmeal is just oats plus water. Likewise, Shredded Wheat is
only whole wheat with no added sugar, etc. Add a few blueberries,
strawberries or banana to that and it makes a very nutritious
breakfast. Lactose-free fat-free milk adds essentially no fat. You
don't need to add salt either. Salads and fruit are best just as they
are without adding dressing or cheese or croutons.

Most people agree that a potato is good food until you fry it or mash
it and add salt and butter and milk to it. Then it becomes high
calorie, high fat and probably less healthy. It is better just
microwaved, boiled or baked, period.

Part of the problem seems to be that people understand that simple
unprocessed food is best, but there are social pressures especially
within families to eat otherwise. When your wife/husband prides
themselves as a cook, it becomes a personal insult to them if you do
not eat their food, never mind the fact that everyone in the family is
overweight. Kids feel cheated if you do not take them to McDonalds,
etc.

Groups like this have great intentions. Sharing recipes, etc. That is
part of the live to eat mentality however. I'll say it anyway. A
simple, vegetarian, low-salt, low-fat, low calorie diet high in whole
grains, fruit, vegetables and fiber is the healthiest way to eat. This
involves almost no cooking at all.


You eat raw beans and rice?

wrote:

A
simple, vegetarian, low-salt, low-fat, low calorie diet high in whole
grains, fruit, vegetables and fiber is the healthiest way to eat. This
involves almost no cooking at all.

If that's how you want to eat fine, but perhaps you should avoid making
unsupported and dogmatic statements. Probably no diet suits everybody
and we in the developed world have a huge number of choices; each of us
has to decide what to to believe out of all the conflicting studies and
what balance to strike in our own lives. I eat almost no starchy
vegetables, fruit, grains, sugar or processed foods, I enjoy what I eat
and my labs, body fat ( 8% ) and blood pressure all suggest that I'm in
very good shape. Perhaps I drink a little more wine than I should, but
in my seventh decade I feel entitled!

I was going to agree with you until I noticed your *second* error,
which makes me think you're intentionally trying to mislead us.

First, if you microwave, boil or bake a potato, it's considered
COOKING. Second, oatmeal isn't "oats plus water." It's either "oats
plus boiling water plus lots and lots of time," or it's
"overly-processed oats plus boiling water." Third, you're against
salad dressing. Even assuming olive oil isn't actually *good* for you,
what's the problem with, say, lime juice? Ginger juice? Vinegar?
Mixed with herbs, naturally. Something still called "salad dressing."

Obviously, then, you need to think about your argument a *little* more.

Personally, I'm a fan of simple, unprocessed foods . . . which doesn't
mean I don't need a cookbook. Almost every day I eat broccoli,
carrots, red peppers, butternut squash, and a whole grain or two
(looove wheat berries). Frankly, though, it gets a bit dull to eat
them plain, uncooked, and by themselves. (The butternut squash is
particularly difficult.) Chopping them up and tossing them with, say,
lime juice, cumin, cilantro and jalapenos makes them much more
interesting, and, oddly, doesn't change them into -- AIEEEE! --
"cooked" food.

Which is why I've got several hundred natural, vegetarian, nearly
fat-free soup and salad recipes. And, if I needed to find more, I'd
come to a newsgroup like this, where the people are by and large
knowledgeable, friendly, and helpful.

"jmcquown" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Most people agree that a potato is good food until you fry it or mash
it and add salt and butter and milk to it. Then it becomes high
calorie, high fat and probably less healthy. It is better just
microwaved, boiled or baked, period.

Who are "most people"? I'd like to meet them. I'd also like to meet the
person who eats baked potatoes without adding some butter, sour cream or
even some other additions.

Meekly -- meeee!
Squeek, squeek,
Dee Dee

writes:

"overly-processed oats plus boiling water." Third, you're against
salad dressing. Even assuming olive oil isn't actually *good* for you,
what's the problem with, say, lime juice? Ginger juice? Vinegar?
Mixed with herbs, naturally. Something still called "salad dressing."

I love pico de gallo on my salads instead of dressing. I can't wait
until we get some good tomatoes at the local markets so I can make a
batch.
I would consider making pico de gallo "cooking" even if I don't warm
up a pan or oven to make it. You have to prepare it per a recipe,
anyways. And I love potatoes, but they have to have SOMETHING on them.
A little olive oil and kosher salt on the outside when baked, maybe.
"Non-cooked" potatoes will make you sick as a dog, anyways.

Stacia

jmcquown wrote:
: wrote:
: snip I'd also like to meet the
: person who eats baked potatoes without adding some butter, sour cream or
: even some other additions.

Here I am
And I don't do it for 'health' reasons.

Actually I haven't baked potatoes in the way I *really* like
them in a long time. They would horrify not only most people
on this newsgroup, but the original poster of the thread as well.
I like to bake a potato until it's completely withered, so that
there almost isn't anything inside, just a crisp brown skin...and
I can't imagine anything that could make it taste better, except
a bit of salt.
--thelma

: Jill

"jmcquown" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Most people agree that a potato is good food until you fry it or mash
it and add salt and butter and milk to it. Then it becomes high
calorie, high fat and probably less healthy. It is better just
microwaved, boiled or baked, period.

Who are "most people"? I'd like to meet them. I'd also like to meet the
person who eats baked potatoes without adding some butter, sour cream or
even some other additions.

Just pepper here. If you bake a potato The Good Way, it concentrates the
flavor, and you don't need to doctor it up.

"zxcvbob" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Why not do both..live a long time and enjoy life including eating. Food
preference is just that. If you do not eat meat for a couple of weeks,
it begins to smell rotten to you, for example. Yes, there is evidence
that a high-fat diet suggested by eggs, dairy, meat is not good for
you. You can eat egg whites and throw away the yolk though, and drink
nonfat milk and eat very little meat. Then you don't have to call
yourself a vegetarian.



Or I can still eat fish and chicken and call my self a vegetarian just to
annoy people.

Best regards,
Bob

Hey you're annoying me g!


--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths page at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

I eat potatoes without putting anything on them. I also eat cooked
oatmeal without adding anything else. What you are describing is what I
call the dog turd theory of food. If you start with a dog turd and add
sugar, cinnamon and butter to it, it might be palatable. Could it be
that some people really don't like potatoes, but just the stuff they
put on it?

"Most people" in this case are everyone posting here so far including
you who are hostile to vegetarianism I guess and prefer nonsimple
foods. Not a problem. I just like simple food best and think its better
for me. I also do not cook unless heating oatmeal in the microwave is
called cooking. I'm pretty healthy far as I know, too.