By the way, our family has been vegetarian and eating healthy for
generations, but we have the usual share of family suffering

I have an ex who said he was vegetarian. Turned out later he lived on
Kit Kat bars.

A good diet won't ensure you perfect health, but it helps. With your
list of woes, though, I'm pretty sure you're leaving something out.
Deep fat frying? Cream? Kit Kat Bars?

wrote:

I eat potatoes without putting anything on them. I also eat cooked
oatmeal without adding anything else. What you are describing is what I
call the dog turd theory of food. If you start with a dog turd and add
sugar, cinnamon and butter to it, it might be palatable. Could it be
that some people really don't like potatoes, but just the stuff they
put on it?

Well, I for one would consider *oatmeal* the *dog turd*. I do not do
oatmeal unless cooked into something like muffins. Besides oatmeal is
heavily processed as in it doesn't come off the plant looking like that!


"Most people" in this case are everyone posting here so far including
you who are hostile to vegetarianism I guess and prefer nonsimple
foods. Not a problem. I just like simple food best and think its better
for me. I also do not cook unless heating oatmeal in the microwave is
called cooking. I'm pretty healthy far as I know, too.

I'm not hostal towards vegetarianism. I a practicing vegetarian for
most lunches and some dinners. How you eat or what you choose to eat is
entirely your thing and nothing to do with me. Hostility is not a good
thing either as it interfers with digestion. So you like simple food,
go for it. Why come to a cooking ng and tell us cooking is bad? My
choice is to cook some of my foods. I'm happy with that choice and feel
I can live with that. I can't speak for others here. Given your views,
why don't you check out a natural foods newsgroup? They might be better
suited to your needs.

Microwaves have been indicated in scrambling your brain cells and
causing damage to your intestinal tract but so has peanut butter and
x-rays. If you are pregnant standing with your belly to the microwave
can cause spontaneous abortions but so can falling down a flight of
stairs. In general, cats don't fare well in the microwave but the local
Chinese restaurants have perfected cooking cats to a fine science. Go
figure! If you don't believe me, check out the research.

PS. wear a tinfoil hat while reading the articles

wrote:

Actually, rolled oats are not processed. They are whole oats that have
been rolled so they cook quicker, then they are boiled in water and
dried, so that they can be prepared more quickly. There is nothing else
in Quaker oats except oats. Same with shredded wheat. Everything other
cereal you see on the breakfast aisle including those that say 100%
this or that, are made FROM whole oats, whole wheat or bran, etc. but
they contain lots of other things. Oatmeal and shredded wheat are not
processed food, IMO any more than canned green beans are. If the
ingredients list says green beans are because they have been boiled and
canned.


Ok, now I'm getting the picture. If you take a natural product and put
it through a presser or roller or some sort that makes it *unprocessed*?
I'm not even going to address your other statements.

Vegetarian or not, you sir or madam as the case might be are a *****wit*.

wrote:

[W]e all seem to be opposed to the careless use of
words like "non-cooked"


His post is mired in confusion, and rather than debate this, he should
scurry home and not return until he can make sense. Because as another
poster says, homemade salsa is *terrific* on a baked potato, and,
contrary to OP's claim that simple food is healthiest, it's better for
you than a *plain* baked potato. (Which, also contrary to an OP claim,
is COOKED.)


Homemade chili sauce - not chili con carne - is wonderful on baked or
mashed potatoes especially when the snow is falling!

I ate very simple, marginally-cooked vegetarian food for years. I
don't now because IT'S DULL AS DISHWATER. OP should have announced his
allegiance to simple, low-fat foods and asked for recipes rather than
paraded in like he was bearing Wonderful News for the high-fat heathens.

wrote:
Why not do both..live a long time and enjoy life including eating. Food
preference is just that. If you do not eat meat for a couple of weeks,
it begins to smell rotten to you, for example.

So why did my son, after giving up meat for over a year, go back to
eating it? He never said it smelled rotten.
If you want or like to eat a certain way, go ahead. But don't make up
silly stories to prognosticate to others. Why demonstrate your
insecurity about it by trying to get validation somehow by persuading
others to do the same? If you were really satisfied with your decision,
you wouldn't be here pushing your beliefs on others.

Yes, there is evidence
that a high-fat diet suggested by eggs, dairy, meat is not good for
you. You can eat egg whites and throw away the yolk though, and drink
nonfat milk and eat very little meat. Then you don't have to call
yourself a vegetarian.

wrote in message
ups.com...

Groups like this have great intentions. Sharing recipes, etc. That is
part of the live to eat mentality however. I'll say it anyway. A
simple, vegetarian, low-salt, low-fat, low calorie diet high in whole
grains, fruit, vegetables and fiber is the healthiest way to eat. This
involves almost no cooking at all.

OK, so you don't wanna cook. That's fine for you, but
what on Earth are you doing HERE? Just trying to become
an evangelical non-cook, or what?

Bob M.

Dave Smith wrote:

Dee Randall wrote:


OK, just to get you going again --haven't you heard that skin is really,
really, really, really bad for you?



They are??? There is a toxin in the eyes and in the greenish coloured skins
of young potatoes, but I was under the impression that they were actually
pretty good for you, and a quick Google search confirmed that.




My understanding and I could be wrong is potato skins are good for you
because they provide additional nutrients and fibre. We very seldom eat
potatoes without their jackets. They are well washed and I don't cook
potatoes with green spots.

"salgud" wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
Why not do both..live a long time and enjoy life including eating. Food
preference is just that. If you do not eat meat for a couple of weeks,
it begins to smell rotten to you, for example.

So why did my son, after giving up meat for over a year, go back to
eating it? He never said it smelled rotten.
If you want or like to eat a certain way, go ahead. But don't make up
silly stories to prognosticate to others. Why demonstrate your
insecurity about it by trying to get validation somehow by persuading
others to do the same? If you were really satisfied with your decision,
you wouldn't be here pushing your beliefs on others.

I suspect this person found a web page written by someone equally dumb, and
took it as gospel. One of the dangers of the web.

"zxcvbob" wrote in message
...

Or I can still eat fish and chicken and call my self a vegetarian just
to annoy people.

Right; like that guy in the Outback commercial says, I'm a
complete vegetarian, except for the pork and beef. Well,
OK, and the chicken. And the seafood. Well, and the
occasional duck, turkey, goose, and other fowl. But definitely
an absolute, strict vegetarian except for those minor exceptions!

Wait...did I mention the buffalo? What about squirrels?....

Bob M.

"jmcquown" wrote in message
...
Social pressures to eat? Huh. Never would have thunk it.

Absolutely. If I don't eat, my stomach gets VERY anti-social
toward me...

Bob M.

"~patches~" wrote in message
...
wrote:

Actually, rolled oats are not processed. They are whole oats that have
been rolled so they cook quicker, then they are boiled in water and
dried, so that they can be prepared more quickly. There is nothing else
in Quaker oats except oats. Same with shredded wheat. Everything other
cereal you see on the breakfast aisle including those that say 100%
this or that, are made FROM whole oats, whole wheat or bran, etc. but
they contain lots of other things. Oatmeal and shredded wheat are not
processed food, IMO any more than canned green beans are. If the
ingredients list says green beans are because they have been boiled and
canned.


Ok, now I'm getting the picture. If you take a natural product and put it
through a presser or roller or some sort that makes it *unprocessed*? I'm
not even going to address your other statements.

Vegetarian or not, you sir or madam as the case might be are a *****wit*.

I think that's spelled ****wIt. Otherwise, I agree completely.

wrote in message
ups.com...
"Most people" in this case are everyone posting here so far including
you who are hostile to vegetarianism I guess and prefer nonsimple
foods. Not a problem. I just like simple food best and think its better
for me. I also do not cook unless heating oatmeal in the microwave is
called cooking. I'm pretty healthy far as I know, too.

OK, so are you proposing a new group, perhaps called
rec.food.bland-n-raw, or what?

Bob M.

zxcvbob wrote:

~patches~ wrote:

Glitter Ninja wrote:

writes:


"overly-processed oats plus boiling water." Third, you're against
salad dressing. Even assuming olive oil isn't actually *good* for you,
what's the problem with, say, lime juice? Ginger juice? Vinegar?
Mixed with herbs, naturally. Something still called "salad dressing."




I love pico de gallo on my salads instead of dressing. I can't
wait until we get some good tomatoes at the local markets so I can
make a batch.
I would consider making pico de gallo "cooking" even if I don't
warm up a pan or oven to make it. You have to prepare it per a
recipe, anyways. And I love potatoes, but they have to have
SOMETHING on them. A little olive oil and kosher salt on the outside
when baked, maybe. "Non-cooked" potatoes will make you sick as a
dog, anyways.

Stacia


Stacia, that is a good point! Some veggies can be eaten cooked or raw
but others really need to be cooked. My list of really need to be
cooked - turnips, rutabegas, parsnips, squashes, potatoes. I'm not
sure if uncooked potatoes will make you sick. I've been known to pop
a piece or two into my mouth when cutting potatoes up for cooking. I
haven't suffered any ill effects but that doesn't mean it couldn't
happen.



Summer squash, and to a lesser extent rutabagas, are good raw. Just
slice them thin.

Bob

I stand corrected and will give them a try. Thanks! Do you eat them
plain or are they good for dipping?

wrote in message
oups.com...
haven't you heard that skin is really, really, really, really bad for
you?

Don't tell me I'm actually going to *learn* something in this thread.

I thought potato skin was GOOD for you. Something about all the iron
and minerals in dirt working their way into the skin.

Wow: it's sounding stupid to me and nobody's even responded yet.

GIYF,
Dee Dee

Bob Myers wrote:

"jmcquown" wrote in message
...

Social pressures to eat? Huh. Never would have thunk it.


Absolutely. If I don't eat, my stomach gets VERY anti-social
toward me...

Bob M.



I have noticed there is a direct correlation to fighting with DH if I'm
hungry. Feed me and all is well. Don't feed me and all is hell. Take
your pick