Read The Bible wrote:

I will build my church... Matthew 16:18

The churches of Christ... Romans 16:16

The church of God... 1 Corinthians 10:32

The churches of God... 1 Corinthians 11:16

The church of God... 1 Timothy 3:5

The churches of God... 2 Thessalonians 1:4

The church of the living God... 1 Timothy 3:15

All churches of the saints. 1 Corinthians 14:33

The general assembly and church of the firstborn...
Hebrews 12:23

---

We, being many, are one body in Christ...
Romans 12:5

He is the head of the body, the church...
Colossians 1:18

We being many are one bread, and one body, for we are
all partakers of that one bread. 1 Corinthians 10:17

His body's sake, which is the church...
Colossians 1:24

By one Spirit are we all baptized into one body...
1 Corinthians 12:13

The church, which is his body... Ephesians 1:22-23

Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the
bond of peace. There is one body, and one Spirit,
even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father
of all, who is above all, and through all, and in
you all. Ephesians 4:3-6

Christ is the head of the church, and he is the
saviour of the body. Ephesians 5:23

Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for
it, that he might sanctify and cleanse it with the
washing of water by the word, that he might present
it to himself a glorious church, not having spot,
or wrinkle, or any such thing, but that it should be
holy and without blemish. Ephesians 5:25-27
|
No man ever yet hated his own flesh, but nourisheth
and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church. For
we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his
bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father
and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and
they two shall be one flesh. This is a great
mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the
church. Ephesians 5:29-32

---

God hath set some in the church, first apostles,
secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers...
1 Corinthians 12:28

Unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places
might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of
God... Ephesians 3:10

Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus
throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
Ephesians 3:21

Amen and amen.

May GOD continue to bless the writing of HIS Word in these USENET
newsgroups in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

Amen !!!

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory,
cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here
during the next on-line chat (03/16/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message
...

If you don't have anything meaningful to say, I will *plonk* thee...and
that's something because the only other person I've killfiled on Usenet is
Ed Conrad...for pretty much the same reason.

Why have you cross-posted to sci.med.cardiology? Is this message somehow
relevant to that group? Or are you trying to drum up business with those
spam links? As if anyone would ever consider coming to you after reading
about your paranoia.

And your robotic rah-rahing for Jaysus is only relevant to alt.atheism
inasmuch they are complete opposites. It's like posting a message about your
favorite Tim Horton donuts in alt.donutholes.

And what the **** are you cross-posting to rec.food.cooking for? That makes
no sense whatsoever and rather leads me to the conclusion that you are
likely mentally unstable and should be under the watchful eye of a more
competent physician.

I pity the poor folk that come to you for care. I imagine you telling your
patients, "If it be the will of the Lord for you to have that murmur, the
AMEN, brother! Pick up your litter and walk right on over to the check out
counter. We accept Visa, MasterCard and Diner's Club."

On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 07:58:39 -0500, "Geoff"
wrote:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message
...

If you don't have anything meaningful to say, I will *plonk* thee...and
that's something because the only other person I've killfiled on Usenet is
Ed Conrad...for pretty much the same reason.

Why have you cross-posted to sci.med.cardiology? Is this message somehow
relevant to that group? Or are you trying to drum up business with those
spam links? As if anyone would ever consider coming to you after reading
about your paranoia.

He is actually a cardiologist even though he got fired from (AFAIK)
his only job because of the "quality" of his post-op care.

I don't know if Florida de-certified him. But they can't revoke his
MD.

And your robotic rah-rahing for Jaysus is only relevant to alt.atheism
inasmuch they are complete opposites. It's like posting a message about your
favorite Tim Horton donuts in alt.donutholes.

It's not relevent there either. In spite of all the religious nuts
cross-posting, it was set up by atheists for atheists to discuss our
own issues.

And what the **** are you cross-posting to rec.food.cooking for? That makes
no sense whatsoever and rather leads me to the conclusion that you are
likely mentally unstable and should be under the watchful eye of a more
competent physician.

He is mentally unstable.

I pity the poor folk that come to you for care. I imagine you telling your
patients, "If it be the will of the Lord for you to have that murmur, the
AMEN, brother! Pick up your litter and walk right on over to the check out
counter. We accept Visa, MasterCard and Diner's Club."

His looniness is what got him fired.

The foundation of all Christian and Jewish religions is based on the Bibles.



There is NO - NADA _evidence the Bibles are the word of any Gods. They are
no more than the words of hundreds of errant religious leaders motivated to
impress and control their flock.



There are NO original copies of the Bibles. They are all ALTERED hand copies
of copies of copies etc. by hundreds of scribes over a period of thousands
of years. There is no

Accurate objective way to determine their authenticity or historical
accuracy.



The Bibles obviously contain a plentitude of myths, fables, legends and
totally

impossible tales. NONE of the Bibles were written during Jesus' 'claimed'
life time.

Time and distance was required to allow the creation of fictional stories
and the embellishment of history.



There is also the matter of the Biblical canon itself. After all, ancient
Israel and the early church knew of many more religious books than the ones
that now constitute the Bible. For example, there were 50 gospels in
circulation at the time the New Testaments were chosen by church leaders,
yet only four
made it into the New Testament. Who decided which of the books would
become part of the Christian scriptures, and again, "Why?" Who decided,
"This book belongs... this book doesn't..."? What were their reasons?
What were their motives? How do we know if ANY of them were authentic?
In addition there is evidence that the Bibles were altered by church leaders
to support their personal motives and ambitions..



The fact is, there are no clear records available which document the
church's process of determining which books were acceptable and which books
were unacceptable and why. The general consensus of opinion among scholars
is that the decision was based on whether or not the book agreed with the
prevailing theological thought and motives at the time. In other words, the
only books accepted were the ones that agreed with the opinions, desires and
motives of the church leadership at the time


This means that the fundamental religion is not based on the Bible, as they
claim so fervently... it means the Bibles were selected and embellished to
support the claims of the church leadership at the time.


It is also interesting that, even though the Biblical canon was purposely
chosen to include only books that met the church leaders opinions at the
time, there is so much inconsistency and contradictions in the Bibles. And
it is even more interesting that so many fundamentalists proclaim that there
are no contradictions in the Bible! If that were true, then why are there so
many different sects of Christianity and different Bible versions?


For example, Christianity is basically divided into three main sects: the
Roman Catholics, the Eastern Orthodox, and the Protestants. And the
Protestant branch alone is divided into numerous different sects: the
Adventists, the Amish, the Anglican Church, the Apostolic Faith, the
Assemblies of God, the Baptists, the Brethren, the Christian Church, the
Church of Christ, the Church of God, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter
Day Saints (the Mormons), the Church of the Nazarene, the Congregational
Christian Churches, the Episcopal Church, the Evangelical Congregational
Church, the Friends (Quakers), the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Lutherans, the
Mennonites, the Methodists, the Pentecostal Churches, the Presbyterians, the
Salvation Army, the Unitarians, the United Church of Christ, and at least 66
other sects!


And that does not count the different sub-sects of these sects! For example,
the Baptists are further divided into: the American Baptist Convention, the
Southern Baptist Convention, the American Baptist Association, the Baptist
General Conference, the Bethel Baptist Assembly, the Christian Unity Baptist
Association, the Conservative Baptist Association of America, the Baptist
Church of Christ, the Free Will Baptists... and at least 19 other sub-sects.
And there are no "minor differences" between these sub-sects. For example,
the Southern Baptist Association was formed in 1845 in large part
because of disagreements with other Baptists concerning slavery.


The other Protestant sects are also broken up into various sub-sects. For
example, the Methodists have 23, the Mennonites 15; the Presbyterians 9; the
Mormons 3; etc.


And yet (especially for the more right-wing sects), these numerous sects and
sub-sects claim to possess the truth of the Bible in its purest form... and
each one are able to quote verses from the Bible to prove it! The Bibles are
so loaded with vague stories and unsubstantiated claims that one can find
texts to support almost ANYTHING. So much for the "harmony" of the Bible.



Anyone that reads the Bibles objectively can see that they are books of
fables, myths, legends and totally impossible tales. They are certainly not
the word of any god unless he was an absolute idiot.



Believing in the Bibles is not much better than believing in Alice in
Wonderland, Harry Potter or Aesop's Fables. At least the latter are good
literature.

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message
...
Read The Bible wrote:

I will build my church... Matthew 16:18

The churches of Christ... Romans 16:16

The church of God... 1 Corinthians 10:32

The churches of God... 1 Corinthians 11:16

The church of God... 1 Timothy 3:5

The churches of God... 2 Thessalonians 1:4

The church of the living God... 1 Timothy 3:15

All churches of the saints. 1 Corinthians 14:33

The general assembly and church of the firstborn...
Hebrews 12:23

---

We, being many, are one body in Christ...
Romans 12:5

He is the head of the body, the church...
Colossians 1:18

We being many are one bread, and one body, for we are
all partakers of that one bread. 1 Corinthians 10:17

His body's sake, which is the church...
Colossians 1:24

By one Spirit are we all baptized into one body...
1 Corinthians 12:13

The church, which is his body... Ephesians 1:22-23

Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the
bond of peace. There is one body, and one Spirit,
even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father
of all, who is above all, and through all, and in
you all. Ephesians 4:3-6

Christ is the head of the church, and he is the
saviour of the body. Ephesians 5:23

Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for
it, that he might sanctify and cleanse it with the
washing of water by the word, that he might present
it to himself a glorious church, not having spot,
or wrinkle, or any such thing, but that it should be
holy and without blemish. Ephesians 5:25-27
|
No man ever yet hated his own flesh, but nourisheth
and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church. For
we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his
bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father
and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and
they two shall be one flesh. This is a great
mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the
church. Ephesians 5:29-32

---

God hath set some in the church, first apostles,
secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers...
1 Corinthians 12:28

Unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places
might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of
God... Ephesians 3:10

Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus
throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
Ephesians 3:21

Amen and amen.

May GOD continue to bless the writing of HIS Word in these USENET
newsgroups in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

Amen !!!

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory,
cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here
during the next on-line chat (03/16/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8

"Christopher A. Lee" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 07:58:39 -0500, "Geoff"
wrote:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message
...

If you don't have anything meaningful to say, I will *plonk* thee...and
that's something because the only other person I've killfiled on Usenet is
Ed Conrad...for pretty much the same reason.

Why have you cross-posted to sci.med.cardiology? Is this message somehow
relevant to that group? Or are you trying to drum up business with those
spam links? As if anyone would ever consider coming to you after reading
about your paranoia.

He is actually a cardiologist even though he got fired from (AFAIK)
his only job because of the "quality" of his post-op care.

Looks like he's now here in Atlanta. Not to far from me either.
I'm swimming in the fundie shit here.

Geoff: If you see someone starting to build an arc in your area, it is
probably him.

Al wrote:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Read The Bible wrote:
I will build my church... Matthew 16:18

The churches of Christ... Romans 16:16

This is a group on cardiology, not a frigging religious whacko forum.

Again, sorry this advisory bothers you so terribly. Again, please
forgive all my iniquities.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory,
cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here
during the next on-line chat (03/16/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8

Bill wrote:

The foundation of all Christian and Jewish religions is based on the Bibles.

Being Christian is not a religion but a relationship with Christ Jesus.

There is only one Holy Bible which is the infallible Word of GOD.

Christ Jesus is the living Word of GOD.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory,
cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here
during the next on-line chat (03/16/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8

Geoff wrote:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message
...

if you don't have anything meaningful to say...

It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.

I will
*plonk* thee...

You have the free will that the LORD has generously given you.

and that's something because the only other person I've
killfiled on Usenet is Ed Conrad...

Without the LORD, everything you do is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

for pretty much the same reason.

Sounds like Ed Conrad was blessed by GOD through you.

Why have you cross-posted to sci.med.cardiology?

The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.

Is this message somehow
relevant to that group?

Yes.

Or are you trying to drum up business with those
spam links?

The work of the LORD is not a business.

As if anyone would ever consider coming to you after reading
about your paranoia.

Then these folks that seek me out are each a miracle from GOD.

And your robotic rah-rahing for Jaysus is only relevant to alt.atheism
inasmuch they are complete opposites. It's like posting a message about your
favorite Tim Horton donuts in alt.donutholes.

It is written that the disciple "Doubting" Thomas was essentially an
atheist until he saw the risen Jesus saying he would not believe in the
resurrection until he had the opportunity to put his hand into Jesus'
side and his fingers through the holes of HIS hands. Thankfully, he
changed his mind upon seeing the risen Jesus and decided to accept
salvation through faith when he declared "My LORD and my GOD!" (John
20:28)

And what the **** are you cross-posting to rec.food.cooking for?

The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.

That makes
no sense whatsoever

"Man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the
mouth of the LORD." -- Jesus Christ

and rather leads me to the conclusion that you are
likely mentally unstable and should be under the watchful eye of a more
competent physician.

Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

I pity the poor folk that come to you for care.

Your choice.

I imagine you telling your
patients, "If it be the will of the Lord for you to have that murmur, the
AMEN, brother! Pick up your litter and walk right on over to the check out
counter. We accept Visa, MasterCard and Diner's Club."

I imagine you have a tough time with the fact that 85% of practicing
primary-care physicians in the U.S. believe in GOD.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory,
cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here
during the next on-line chat (03/16/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 04:27:39 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
, satan's agent wrote:



It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.

But you are a liar and have proven tyourself so many times.


You have the free will that the LORD has generously given you.

And the free will he has given you makes you into satan's spammer -
driving many away fro the rea Lord who wouldn't bother being
associated with you.



The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.

Nah, it is your free will in operation, the same that makes you make
an ass out of yourself.


jim

Don Kirkman wrote:

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article :

It is written that the disciple "Doubting" Thomas was essentially an
atheist until he saw the risen Jesus saying he would not believe in the
resurrection until he had the opportunity to put his hand into Jesus'
side and his fingers through the holes of HIS hands. Thankfully, he
changed his mind upon seeing the risen Jesus and decided to accept
salvation through faith when he declared "My LORD and my GOD!" (John
20:28)

So Jesus had an atheist among his disciples?

Yes. HE also had a money-worshipper (Judas Iscariot) among his
disciples.

Or have you once again
failed to comprehend the plain English?

No.

Nowhere does it say Thomas did
not believe there was a god, but he refused to believe, without physical
proof, that Jesus was alive again.

IOW, he refused to believe that his friend/teacher was/is GOD.

That is not "essentially an atheist"
but a person who basis his beliefs on evidence.

A person who refuses to believe in GOD until s/he sees GOD is
essentially an atheist.

You, being wiser than the disciple, find it possible to believe all
sorts of improbable things without proof either physical or
metaphysical.

When faith is placed in the LORD, all things become possible.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory,
cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here
during the next on-line chat (03/16/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8

Don Kirkman wrote:
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article :
Don Kirkman wrote:
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article :

It is written that the disciple "Doubting" Thomas was essentially an
atheist until he saw the risen Jesus saying he would not believe in the
resurrection until he had the opportunity to put his hand into Jesus'
side and his fingers through the holes of HIS hands. Thankfully, he
changed his mind upon seeing the risen Jesus and decided to accept
salvation through faith when he declared "My LORD and my GOD!" (John
20:28)

So Jesus had an atheist among his disciples?

Yes. HE also had a money-worshipper (Judas Iscariot) among his
disciples.

Irrelevant and not at issue.

Actually this is relevant. If Jesus picked out a money-worshipper to be
a disciple then why not an atheist?

We are all sinners and fall short of HIS glory.

Or have you once again
failed to comprehend the plain English?

No.

Nowhere does it say Thomas did
not believe there was a god, but he refused to believe, without physical
proof, that Jesus was alive again.

IOW, he refused to believe that his friend/teacher was/is GOD.

It is not truthful to add to what is written in the Bible.

Actually, these discussions are not adding to what is written in the
Bible.

Thomas' declaration "My LORD and my GOD!" stands as written in John
20:28

There is nothing that either you or I can write here in these USENET
groups to change that.

According to
the story the issue was never whether Jesus was God but whether he had
risen from the dead.

Only GOD can resurrect HIMSELF from the dead to defeat death.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life" -- LORD Jesus Christ.

Are you deliberately distorting Biblical teaching,
or merely showing your ignorance of the subject again?

It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.

That is not "essentially an atheist"
but a person who basis his beliefs on evidence.

A person who refuses to believe in GOD until s/he sees GOD is
essentially an atheist.

But that is not the issue in the passage you're trying to use as
evidence.

This is the issue in our discussion and Thomas' declaration "My LORD and
my GOD!" upon seeing the risen Jesus Christ stands as irrefutable
evidence that Thomas was an atheist up until that moment.

You, being wiser than the disciple, find it possible to believe all
sorts of improbable things without proof either physical or
metaphysical.

When faith is placed in the LORD, all things become possible.

QED

Indeed it is so written.

For this you will remain in my prayers, dear Don whom I love, in Jesus'
most precious and holy name.

May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIM.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory,
cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here
during the next on-line chat (03/16/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Geoff wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message
...

if you don't have anything meaningful to say...

It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.

I will
*plonk* thee...

You have the free will that the LORD has generously given you.

and that's something because the only other person I've
killfiled on Usenet is Ed Conrad...

Without the LORD, everything you do is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

for pretty much the same reason.

Sounds like Ed Conrad was blessed by GOD through you.

Why have you cross-posted to sci.med.cardiology?

The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.

Is this message somehow
relevant to that group?

Yes.

Or are you trying to drum up business with those
spam links?

The work of the LORD is not a business.

As if anyone would ever consider coming to you after reading
about your paranoia.

Then these folks that seek me out are each a miracle from GOD.

And your robotic rah-rahing for Jaysus is only relevant to alt.atheism
inasmuch they are complete opposites. It's like posting a message about your
favorite Tim Horton donuts in alt.donutholes.

It is written that the disciple "Doubting" Thomas was essentially an
atheist until he saw the risen Jesus saying he would not believe in the
resurrection until he had the opportunity to put his hand into Jesus'
side and his fingers through the holes of HIS hands. Thankfully, he
changed his mind upon seeing the risen Jesus and decided to accept
salvation through faith when he declared "My LORD and my GOD!" (John
20:28)

And what the **** are you cross-posting to rec.food.cooking for?

The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.

That makes
no sense whatsoever

"Man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the
mouth of the LORD." -- Jesus Christ

and rather leads me to the conclusion that you are
likely mentally unstable and should be under the watchful eye of a more
competent physician.

Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

I pity the poor folk that come to you for care.

Your choice.

I imagine you telling your
patients, "If it be the will of the Lord for you to have that murmur, the
AMEN, brother! Pick up your litter and walk right on over to the check out
counter. We accept Visa, MasterCard and Diner's Club."

I imagine you have a tough time with the fact that 85% of practicing
primary-care physicians in the U.S. believe in GOD.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory,
cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here
during the next on-line chat (03/16/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8


Whacko. No hospital affiliation.

Don Kirkman wrote:
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article :
Don Kirkman wrote:
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article :
Don Kirkman wrote:
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article :

It is written that the disciple "Doubting" Thomas was essentially an
atheist until he saw the risen Jesus saying he would not believe in the
resurrection until he had the opportunity to put his hand into Jesus'
side and his fingers through the holes of HIS hands. Thankfully, he
changed his mind upon seeing the risen Jesus and decided to accept
salvation through faith when he declared "My LORD and my GOD!" (John
20:28)

So Jesus had an atheist among his disciples?

Yes. HE also had a money-worshipper (Judas Iscariot) among his
disciples.

Irrelevant and not at issue.

Actually this is relevant. If Jesus picked out a money-worshipper to be
a disciple then why not an atheist?

We are all sinners and fall short of HIS glory.

Irrelevant to the issue.

That is not what I discern.

A money-worshipper may well be a theist.

A money-worshipper can not follow Christ Jesus not only by the example
of Disciple Judas Iscariot who was chosen to follow the LORD only to
betray HIM but also in the account of the rich man (Matthew 19:16-24).

An
atheist cannot be, by definition.

"With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
--LORD Jesus Christ

Or have you once again
failed to comprehend the plain English?

No.

Apparently the answer should be "yes."

No.

"Let your yes mean yes and your no mean no." -- LORD Jesus Christ

Nowhere does it say Thomas did
not believe there was a god, but he refused to believe, without physical
proof, that Jesus was alive again.

IOW, he refused to believe that his friend/teacher was/is GOD.

It is not truthful to add to what is written in the Bible.

Actually, these discussions are not adding to what is written in the
Bible.

Thomas' declaration "My LORD and my GOD!" stands as written in John
20:28

And how does that indicate he had never believed in God before that?

This reveals that Disciple "Doubting" Thomas tended to believe only that
which he sees. Prior to Jesus, he had never seen GOD so it logically
follows that he did not believe in GOD.

He
is saying that he somehow has come to equate Jesus with God, not that he
(a practicing Jew) had never believed in the God of the Jewish history
before that time.

Jesus is GOD of the Jewish history before that time, though many have
and will continue to deny HIM up until the end but then finally every
knee will bend, every head will bow, and every tongue confess that HE is
King of kings and LORD of lords.

Elementary logic, my dear Watson.

Indeed. Those with discerning hearts are masters of logic.

There is nothing that either you or I can write here in these USENET
groups to change that.

It doesn't need changing--your shallow literalism continues to lead you
astray.

You will have to make up your mind concerning the specific accusations
that you desire to level as you once again choose to bear false witness.

According to
the story the issue was never whether Jesus was God but whether he had
risen from the dead.

Only GOD can resurrect HIMSELF from the dead to defeat death.

Yet the usual doctrine is that God the Father resurrected Jesus, thought
by his disciples to be the Son of God.

The truth transcends all doctrine:

"We are going to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the
prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled. HE will be handed over
to the Gentiles. They will mock HIM, insult HIM, spit on HIM, flog HIM,
and kill HIM. On the third day, HE will rise again." -- LORD Jesus
Christ

Are you deliberately distorting Biblical teaching,
or merely showing your ignorance of the subject again?

It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.

No, it obviously remains your choice not to answer questions and to
continue writing whatever pops into your troubled consciousness.

The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.

That is not "essentially an atheist"
but a person who basis his beliefs on evidence.

A person who refuses to believe in GOD until s/he sees GOD is
essentially an atheist.

But that is not the issue in the passage you're trying to use as
evidence.

This is the issue in our discussion and Thomas' declaration "My LORD and
my GOD!" upon seeing the risen Jesus Christ stands as irrefutable
evidence that Thomas was an atheist up until that moment.

Repeating the error you made above does not change it to a true
statement.

See above.

You, being wiser than the disciple, find it possible to believe all
sorts of improbable things without proof either physical or
metaphysical.

When faith is placed in the LORD, all things become possible.

QED

Indeed it is so written.

Yes, you have demonstrated (Quod Erat Demonstrandum) that you "find it
possible to believe all sorts of improbable things without proof either
physical or metaphysical."

Proof remains subordinate to the truth.

Sorry that you so obviously missed the connection between what I wrote,
your reply, and the QED. :-) G lol rotflol

"Written laughter is silent despair."

Sorry this discourse causes you great despair.

Please forgive all my iniquities.

You will remain in my prayers, dear Don whom I love, in Jesus' most
precious and holy name.

May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIM.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory,
cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here
during the next on-line chat (03/16/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8

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Hey Chung...how 'bout we meet at the Big Chicken and I kick your fundie ass.