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Found this on another website I read, and figured it could spark some
interesting conversation around here!! The next time you're out eating at a resturant, look at your server. Do you think they are really happy to be doing that job? The answer is no, they are not, but it's what we do, and we do it for the money so please help them out. Its a tougher job than you think and you should pay them accordingly! There are SO many people out there flooding the restaurants w/o any knowledge of how to tip. Here is a short guide for the general public to follow. Feel free to print out and store in your wallet and/or purse. 1. CHILDREN "THE LITTLE DEVILS": If you have children, DO NOT let them, open and dump anything on the table (ie; salt, sugar, etc). IF YOU DO, you must leave an extra $5 for the server to clean up YOUR CHILD'S mess & to restock the now unusable wasted items. We are neither their babysitter nor their parent. The least you can do is pay us for the extra work. Also make sure you control your kids and don't let them scream or run around the restraunt. It's very distracting not to mention dangerous if they get ran over by a server with hot food in their hands. 2. "THE CAMPERS": If you feel the necessity to stay for longer than 15 minutes after you pay, its an extra $3 every 30 minutes. We make our money from the tables. If you are in one and we can't seat it, we don't make money. 3. COMPLIMENTS: Telling a server they are the best server they've ever had is not a tip. If we are good, let us know by leaving us more money. We cant pay our bills on compliments. Its not that we don't appreciate the praise, its just that if you say that and then leave 10% it's an insult. 4. THE SALVATION PAMPHLETS: Prayer cards and any other religious pamphlet is NOT a tip. It is insulting that you assume we are w/o religion and must save us. Again, like ..3, we cant pay bills w/prayer cards. We'd go to church on Sundays if it wasn't mandatory to work on Sundays because EVERYONE who goes to church follows it by eating out. 5. TIPPING: It is not 1960. Cost of living has gone up dramatically since then. 18% is the MINIMUM amount of what you should be tipping your servers. Just look at the tax line and multiply by 2-3, this gives you your minimum tip amount. Remember, our companies pay us less than minimum wage (minumum wage for servers is $6.75 in CA, $2.63 in MA, $3.13 in FL, $3.09 in IA, $2.13 in TX, $2.65 in MI - and that pay is almost completely consumed by paying taxes on our tips. We don't usually see a dime of it. Our bi-weekly checks if working FULL TIME are between 0 and $12 dollars.) And we are taxed on 10 percent of your meal automatically anyway. So if your meal is $100 and you leave $10 and we tip out $4-5 to the busser, bartender, and whoever else then we pay tax on 10 dollars and we make $5. It seems small but it adds up. How many times do you eat out per week and do this? HERE'S A GOOD RULE OF THUMB: SINCE 18% IS THE MINIMUM, JUST LEAVE 20% FOR GOOD SERVICE. IT'S SIMPLE TO FIGURE OUT...LEAVE ONE DOLLAR FOR EVERY FIVE DOLLARS OF YOUR TOTAL BILL (PRE-DISCOUNT!!! AS IN, IF YOU HAD A COUPON OR VOUCHER OF SOME SORT...YOUR SERVER STILL HAS TO TIP OUT AND PAY TAX ON THE TOTAL BILL, NOT THE BILL AFTER DISCOUNTS!!) USE YOUR FINGERS TO FIGURE IT OUT IF YOU HAVE TO, JUST DON'T BE CHEAP! Your server will remember you next time and service will remain great, if not get better if he/she knows that you KNOW how to tip. 6. THE COMPLAINERS: If you get a discount because of your food was prepared wrong or something, do not take it out of our tip. We didn't cook it. The cooks get paid hourly regardless if the food sucks. However, we only make what you give us. (Plus, remember what happens in the movie "Waiting" when you bitch and then send something back!!! Just kidding, that barely EVER happens....) 7. THE FREE STUFF: If you happen to get anything for free and you did not have a problem with your dining experience, most of the time it is because the server thinks you will realize that they are giving it to you for free. There should be extra tip thanking the server for the free item. They could get in a lot of trouble giving away free stuff. You should give them hazard pay for it. 8. THE LATE ONES: If you come into the restraunt 10 mins before closing or any time near closing hurry up and order your food and get out. Closed means closed, not social hour. It is so rude to sit there and take your sweet ass time. We can't leave until you leave because we have to do sidework and clean the table you are sitting at. We don't want to stand there waiting for you for an extra hour just because you don't want to go home. We recommend 24 hour establishments such as Dennys if you wish to sit into the wee hours of the night. 9. THE TABLE HOGGERS: If you only come in for coffee or a dessert, to do paper work, or to have a meeting, don't sit there taking up our booths for hours. We are not Starbucks or a hotel restraunt. If you want to sit for hours, go there or else you better leave a good tip for us and camping fee included. 10. THE GREET: When we come up to the table to greet you and we ask how you are doing please let us know. We honestly want to know how you are doing. If you are in a bad mood we want to know that from the beginning. A confused stare or complete silence does not suffice as a reply to "How are you doing?". Also most of us are REQUIRED to say certain things during the greeting, so please don't interrupt our greeting and say "I want coffee", "Can we get some bread?", or "What are the soups?" & YOU MIGHT THINK THIS IS RUDE BUT WHERE I WORK WE HAVE TO GO TO THE TABLE WITHIN 30 SECONDS SO ONCE YOU SEE US APPROACH YOUR TABLE STOP YOUR CONVERSATION BITCHES & LET ME DO MY SPIEL then continue on with what you were saying. I had some bitch lady talk throughout my entire greeting process and then say "Oh, what? Water? With lemon?" Rawr. 11. THOSE DAMN CELL PHONES: Don't ever talk on your cell phone in a restraunt. This is probably the rudest thing to do. If you must be on your cell, at least keep your voice down in respect for other customers. If you are on your cell phone when we walk up to greet your table we will walk away and not return until you get off your phone. Just show some respect and give us your attention for a couple of minutes. 12. And just keep in mind that your server will do what he/she needs to do to make you happy. If you are polite and courteous to them, it could make their day/night! And they are likely to give you any and all things to improve your visit to their restaurant. They will remember you if you come back in. And you will gain a good reputation at the restaurant. If you are a bad tipper, and we know it, you will be waited on reluctantly and with little care. And you never do know how your food/drinks will come out. (Again, remember Waiting.) We like people. We wouldn't wait tables for a living if we didn't have a little fun doing it. So, have fun with us! But, think, WE clean up your Ranch spills after you leave. Just remember, you don't have to do the dishes. And smiles go a long way. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SERVERS READING THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please repost this so the word can get out, since so many people are uneducated about tips and our lives depend on this - at least for now...... SIGNED, YOUR FELLOW RESTAURANT EMPLOYEE P.S. Leaving us a giftcard to our restaurant with a few dollars on it, is NOT a good tip. Granted, it will be useful since we will probably have shift meals, but sometimes we just want the dough!!!! ************ Can you believe that people leave a mostly-used giftcard for their server's tip? Never even crossed my mind. If I have a coupon, or get slipped a free appetizer and /or drink, or ue a giftcard, I still know to tip on the full bill before discounts. With a giftcard I tip in cash, I expect to have to pay that, or else I ask for the balance in cash, which most places will give you if it's under $5 or so, and use that as part of the tip. But I've nevcer heard of leaving the giftcard AS the tip!! I thought the 'camping fee' was interesting. Makes sense if a place is busy and you're sitting around ta;lking and drinking comp refills of coffee. beleive me, as a patron i've seen those ....... ususally when the place is packed and I've been waiting 20 minutes for a table! Makes sense the server should profit if they can't seat another group there. And the "kids fee", too. When my daughter was little, she was well-behaved but very messy. (Still is, as a matter of fact!) She usually spilled something on the table at some point, or knocked something over, and dropped a lot of gunk on the floor. (Still does, as a matter of fact!) I would bend down with my napkin and get what I could of big pieces of food, but I knew they would need to drag out the carpet sweeper as soon as we walked out, and I always took that into account when she was with me. Kinda funny the way they give specific amounts, though....$5 kid fee, $3 for 30 minutes 'camping fee'! Your thoughts? |
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We need to write Restaurant Rules written by your customer,
that's what I think. I'll start. Don't make me drag out a bull horn or strain my neck looking around for you. Notice that I need another drink, my bill, whatever. You will **** me off if you just abandon me there, wondering where you went. Notice I didn't say Ask me if everything is okay. You will know because you will notice me looking around to get your attention because I need something. If you're paying attention. nancy |
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Jude wrote: [snip] Kinda funny the way they give specific amounts, though....$5 kid fee, $3 for 30 minutes 'camping fee'! Your thoughts? My thoughts? This person is a student at the community college. Has been for 7 years and hasn't passed enough courses for the AA degree yet. Doesn't understand that any better than he or she understands his or her job. -aem |
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Nancy Young wrote:
We need to write Restaurant Rules written by your customer, that's what I think. I'll start. Don't make me drag out a bull horn or strain my neck looking around for you. Notice that I need another drink, my bill, whatever. You will **** me off if you just abandon me there, wondering where you went. Notice I didn't say Ask me if everything is okay. You will know because you will notice me looking around to get your attention because I need something. If you're paying attention. nancy Ok, I'll add on. 1. If I'm only drinking water, notice if my glass gets low and fill it. I'm a lot more ****y about an empty water glass if it's my only beverage than if it's seitting next to my iced tea. And don't think part of your tip isn;t for keeping my glass full! 2. If I'm waving my arm in your direction and the people at the next table notice me falling out of my chair trying to get you to come fill said water glass, please don't turn and walk away. Acknowledge that you saw me. The four tables closest to me and one halfway across the room did! Do you have eye problems? 3. If you have just brought my salad to the table and I am lifting bite #2 to my mouth, please don't bring my me main dish now!! 4. If I am eating said salad and am halfway through, please ASK me if I still want the appetizer I ordered when I was first seated, along with the drinks. It was ordered becasue I was starved and wanted an appetizer order put in right away, beefore you even headed to the bar. If you've taken my order and served my salad and it's still not ready, I probably dont want it anymore. Blame your slow kitchen. 5. When you know I'm close to finnishsed, dessert has been ordered or turned down, coffee has been consumed or denied, drinks are empty, for heaven's sake, don't make me chase you down for the check. You know I'm almost done. If I have to ask another server to find you or stand up and put on my coat to get someone to notice that I want my check, you'll notice it in your tip. 6. After you drop off the check, I generally only need 2 minutes max to put money or a credit card inside. Yes, I know you have other tables. But should I really have to make a fool of myself (see rule #2) to get you to bring my change or run my credit card? |
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Nancy Young wrote:
We need to write Restaurant Rules written by your customer, that's what I think. I'll start. Don't make me drag out a bull horn or strain my neck looking around for you. Notice that I need another drink, my bill, whatever. You will **** me off if you just abandon me there, wondering where you went. Notice I didn't say Ask me if everything is okay. You will know because you will notice me looking around to get your attention because I need something. If you're paying attention. nancy Additionally, when two tables that were seated after my table are served before my table, coffees go unfilled and you're nowhere to be found when it comes time to order dessert, expect a 1% tip... Pete C. |
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Uh, maybe you should have spent a little less time waiting on tables
and more time in school. TIPPING: It is not 1960. Cost of living has gone up dramatically since then. 18% is the MINIMUM amount of what you should be tipping your servers. Hmm: What's wrong with this paragraph? The cost of living has gone up: doesn't that include RESTAURANT PRICES? Why on *earth* would we need to tip more? 15% of an entree whose price has doubled in the last few years means you get double your *tip*. Spare me this BS that 18% is the "minimum." Hell, ZERO is the minimum, and I'm happy to give it to spoiled waitstaff who resent the fact people don't bolt their food and *leave*. If I get good service I'm happy to spring for 15+%, but I resent your math-retarded proclamation here. |
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"Jude" wrote in message ups.com... Found this on another website I read, and figured it could spark some interesting conversation around here!! snip Your thoughts? I realize that servers depend on tips, so I usually try to be generous -- but I do vary the amount depending on quality of service and cost of food. For a normal meal, I almost always start at 15% and go up to 20%. If service is terrible, my tip will also be terrible (which is very rare). I sometimes buy takeout and am puzzled about the appropriate amount. I think tips should be provided because it is still a service, but I'm not sure of the amount -- I usually tip 10% or 12% for carryout. If the meal is extremely cheap, my tip (proportionately) will go up because the server still has to the same amount of work. If the meal is extremely expensive, my tip will be a slightly lower percentage *unless* it is a restaurant where more than one person serves the table. I would much rather eliminate tips and have the cost absorbed as a normal part of the meal -- that is, raise the cost of meals and let me see exactly what it will cost. Since that is not going to happen, I resent it when tips are automatically added for groups. That eliminates even a pretense that the tip is for service rendered because any server (good or bad) will receive the same amount. My own salary has gone up an average of 1% (yes, 1%) a year for several years. So, the argument about cost of living leaves me in the dust. MaryL |
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Jude wrote:
Kinda funny the way they give specific amounts, though....$5 kid fee, $3 for 30 minutes 'camping fee'! Your thoughts? My thought is that I'll go someplace else. Best regards, Bob |
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1. CHILDREN "THE LITTLE DEVILS": If you are working at a family style restaurant, you should expect families. If you can't handle it, I suggest another line of work. All of us will be much happier this way. 2. "THE CAMPERS": If you feel the necessity to stay for longer than 15 minutes after you pay, its an extra $3 every 30 minutes. We make our money from the tables. If you are in one and we can't seat it, we don't make money. I'll leave when I'm done. It may take me more than 15 minutes to finish my desert and/or drinks if they were brought to me at the same time as the check. More often, however, I'm forced to camp because YOU haven't brought me my check, nor even bothered to confirm your existance in the last 20-30 minutes. This doesn't improve your tip, it decreases it. I'll note for future reference to deduct $3 for each 15 minutes of such behavior. 3. COMPLIMENTS: Telling a server they are the best server they've ever had is not a tip. If we are good, let us know by leaving us more money. We cant pay our bills on compliments. Its not that we don't appreciate the praise, its just that if you say that and then leave 10% it's an insult. The person who told you that was obviously being sarcastic. With your atitude you are lucky to get 10%. 4. THE SALVATION PAMPHLETS: Prayer cards and any other religious pamphlet is NOT a tip. It is insulting that you assume we are w/o religion and must save us. Again, like ..3, we cant pay bills w/prayer cards. We'd go to church on Sundays if it wasn't mandatory to work on Sundays because EVERYONE who goes to church follows it by eating out. In my experience, only the most hell-bent devil spawn servers get this kind of treatment. You should consider it an insight into your clientel's view of you. 5. TIPPING: Ah ha ! A whole section about... the same thing as the whole rant. HERE'S A GOOD RULE OF THUMB: SINCE 18% IS THE MINIMUM, JUST LEAVE 20% FOR GOOD SERVICE. IT'S SIMPLE TO FIGURE OUT...LEAVE ONE DOLLAR FOR EVERY FIVE DOLLARS OF YOUR TOTAL BILL My guess is that although most people leave 20% for good service, you rarely get that much. Think about it. **** poor service, with the server trying to rush me out the door is not going to earn 20%. Pay special attention to the word earn. 6. THE COMPLAINERS: If you get a discount because of your food was prepared wrong or something, If it was prepared wrong, then I probably won't blame you unless it is very obvious. Don't try to serve me something I didn't order. That is your fault, and it will come out of your tip. Also, if I see my food sitting on the counter, or under a heat lamp for 30 miuntes, then I may complain it is cold. This is also your fault. It will also be coming out of your tip. Finally, don't serve me my food until I have silverware. I don't like to sit in front of a bowl of soup for 10 minutes without a spoon. It doesn't make me a happy tipper. 7. THE FREE STUFF: If I enjoy a free item, you will be rewarded. If I didn't ask for it, and it sits untouched on my table taking up space, then don't expect anything in return. 8. THE LATE ONES: Fine, I'll go to Denny's or the Waffle House. The service is better there. 9. THE TABLE HOGGERS: If you only come in for coffee or a dessert, to do paper work, or to have a meeting, don't sit there taking up our booths for hours. We are not Starbucks or a hotel restraunt. If you want to sit for hours, go there or else you better leave a good tip for us and camping fee included. If you are a coffee shop type restaurant, and there more empty tables than seated tables, then deal with it. In return, I won't do paperwork in a crowded restaurant. 10. THE GREET: When we come up to the table to greet you and we ask how you are doing please let us know. We honestly want to know how you are doing. If you are in a bad mood we want to know that from the beginning. A confused stare or complete silence does not suffice as a reply to "How are you doing?". Maybe you really don't want to know. Particularly if I have been seated over a half-hour before you show up, and then I realise you were the person standing in the bar area chatting with your friends that someone else is serving, and the group seated after me is almost finished eating. Also most of us are REQUIRED to say certain things during the greeting, so please don't interrupt our greeting and say "I want coffee", "Can we get some bread?", or "What are the soups?" & YOU MIGHT THINK THIS IS RUDE BUT WHERE I WORK WE HAVE TO GO TO THE TABLE WITHIN 30 SECONDS SO ONCE YOU SEE US APPROACH YOUR TABLE STOP YOUR CONVERSATION BITCHES & LET ME DO MY SPIEL then continue on with what you were saying. I had some bitch lady talk throughout my entire greeting process and then say "Oh, what? Water? With lemon?" Rawr. You seem to have trouble grasping the concept of service. You are paid and tipped because you are (supposed to be) serving the customer. We are not being paid to serve you. Get this apparently difficult subject through your head and loose the attitude. 11. THOSE DAMN CELL PHONES: Don't ever talk on your cell phone in a restraunt. This is probably the rudest thing to do. If you must be on your cell, at least keep your voice down in respect for other customers. If you are on your cell phone when we walk up to greet your table we will walk away and not return until you get off your phone. Just show some respect and give us your attention for a couple of minutes. I will not disturb your other guests, possibly even walking away from my table if I need to take a call, but some things in life are a little more important than dinner. Remember, I am NOT being paid to serve you. You ARE being paid to serve me. 12. And just keep in mind that your server will do what he/she needs to do to make you happy. If you are polite and courteous to them, it could make their day/night! And they are likely to give you any and all things to improve your visit to their restaurant. They will remember you if you come back in. And you will gain a good reputation at the restaurant. If you are a bad tipper, and we know it, you will be waited on reluctantly and with little care. And you never do know how your food/drinks will come out. (Again, remember Waiting.) We like people. We wouldn't wait tables for a living if we didn't have a little fun doing it. So, have fun with us! But, think, WE clean up your Ranch spills after you leave. Just remember, you don't have to do the dishes. Nor do you have to do the dishes either, since you mentioned tipping bus-boys and the like. Also, I didn''t order ranch, so the spill is probably from the last party, and simply hasn't been cleaned off my table yet. No, you are not going to get a bigger tip because of this. BTW, I tip generously for excellent service. I don't tip generously to attitude copping jerks. Dean G. |
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MaryL wrote:
"Jude" wrote in message ups.com... Found this on another website I read, and figured it could spark some interesting conversation around here!! snip Your thoughts? I realize that servers depend on tips, so I usually try to be generous -- but I do vary the amount depending on quality of service and cost of food. For a normal meal, I almost always start at 15% and go up to 20%. If service is terrible, my tip will also be terrible (which is very rare). I sometimes buy takeout and am puzzled about the appropriate amount. I think tips should be provided because it is still a service, but I'm not sure of the amount -- I usually tip 10% or 12% for carryout. If the meal is extremely cheap, my tip (proportionately) will go up because the server still has to the same amount of work. If the meal is extremely expensive, my tip will be a slightly lower percentage *unless* it is a restaurant where more than one person serves the table. I would much rather eliminate tips and have the cost absorbed as a normal part of the meal -- that is, raise the cost of meals and let me see exactly what it will cost. Since that is not going to happen, I resent it when tips are automatically added for groups. That eliminates even a pretense that the tip is for service rendered because any server (good or bad) will receive the same amount. My own salary has gone up an average of 1% (yes, 1%) a year for several years. So, the argument about cost of living leaves me in the dust. MaryL I don't think you need to tip for takeout since the wait staff often is not involved in it's preparation. My general rule is 20% for good normal service and 10% for buffets where the wait staff is only taking away plates and perhaps getting drinks. I will readily tip 1% for abysmal service and 50% for exceptional service. Pete C. |
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Pete C. wrote:
Additionally, when two tables that were seated after my table are served before my table, Oh, I forgot that one. That never makes me happy! Even worse, when the people who came in and wer still waiting when you were seated are FINISHED AND LEAVING just as your entree arrives. |
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Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan wrote:
Personally I think the article is written out of sarcasm. However, I DO agree with #1. I really detest eating next to a table full of ill behaved children and I'm sure the server hates waiting on them. Well behaved kids are fine. Unfortunately finding those in dining establishments is like finding a needle in the haystack. Nuts to the extra $5 to the server to clean off the table because mess the kids make. Use the $5 to ward the bills of the dinners at the next table(s) who had to endure the noise, the banging, and worst of the repeated threats of dire consequences that we all know the kid will never see. I have one good thing to say about McDonalds. It is a kid friendly place where people can take their brats and indulge them while I have a nice meal in a nice restaurant with real food that sometimes doesn't look and taste exactly like every other portion served. |
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"MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER wrote in message news:0a2Nf.134684$0G.55018@dukeread10... Here is one of my pet peeves regarding service -- that is, the server who brings *everything* (soup, salad, meal) at one time. I recently brought this to a waitresses attention, and she started to do nothing. I persisted and pointed out that the meal would be cold by the time I got to it, so she offered to take it back and put it under the warmer. I accepted, and it actually was pretty good when served, but this should not happen. (I tipped, but less than usual because the service was less than usual.) Ironically, the restaurant was not busy. MaryL |
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Jude wrote:
aem wrote: Jude wrote: [snip] 5. When you know I'm close to finnishsed, dessert has been ordered or turned down, coffee has been consumed or denied, drinks are empty, for heaven's sake, don't make me chase you down for the check. You know I'm almost done. If I have to ask another server to find you or stand up and put on my coat to get someone to notice that I want my check, you'll notice it in your tip. Yes, most of the time, but in several cultures it is considered rude to bring a check before it is asked for. So if you're at a nice Japanese restaraurant, to name one, you should expect to have to ask for it. Just looking in the server's direction should do it, you shouldn't need all the arm waving and standing up. :-) -aem Of course I don't mind asking for the check. I mind having to hunt you down so I can ask you for the check. I'm referring to the times that you've caught the server's eye, but they turned away. What I *hated* about being a server was being told I had to slap the meal check on the table as soon as I delivered the food (it was policy at this place). It made me feel like I was metaphorically saying, "Okay, we're done". I always checked back with my customers; always walked around with water and tea to refill glasses and see if anyone needed anything else. It's true we needed the tables to turn to make more money, but as a practice I couldn't stand doing that. I didn't want someone to scarf their meal down and run because they felt rushed or unwelcome. Jill |
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