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Old 13-02-2006, 04:28 AM posted to rec.food.cooking
The Bubbo
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I don't know much about smoked salmon but I got to thinking about it this
weekend. I made crostini with curried mascarpone, spiced sweet potato and
smoked salmon. This was not the dry, flakey, smokey type of smoked salmon.
This was soft, almost like raw with no smokey flavor at all.

The label clearly said smoked salmon but how do I differentiate when I am
describing it to people? I really don't care for that dry flakey kind. Even
the stuff that is completely naturally smoked tastes like chemicals to me, i
think it's something in the process maybe.


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Old 13-02-2006, 05:11 AM posted to rec.food.cooking
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Default Smoked salmon question

You had "cold smoked salmon", by far the most delicate of any salmon
preparation. The only competitive preparation is Gravlax, which is very good
as well.
What brand was it? What was the date on the package relative to today's
date?
I like Costco's Norwegian cold smoked salmon, and it's the best deal around
for a certified tightwad.

"The Bubbo" wrote in message
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I don't know much about smoked salmon but I got to thinking about it this
weekend. I made crostini with curried mascarpone, spiced sweet potato and
smoked salmon. This was not the dry, flakey, smokey type of smoked salmon.
This was soft, almost like raw with no smokey flavor at all.

The label clearly said smoked salmon but how do I differentiate when I am
describing it to people? I really don't care for that dry flakey kind.
Even
the stuff that is completely naturally smoked tastes like chemicals to me,
i
think it's something in the process maybe.


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Old 13-02-2006, 05:26 AM posted to rec.food.cooking
The Bubbo
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Default Smoked salmon question

Kent wrote:
You had "cold smoked salmon", by far the most delicate of any salmon
preparation. The only competitive preparation is Gravlax, which is very good
as well.
What brand was it? What was the date on the package relative to today's
date?
I like Costco's Norwegian cold smoked salmon, and it's the best deal around
for a certified tightwad.


Thank you!
It was in fact the Costco Norwegian stuff. I dn't have the package, my sister
had purchased some a couple days ago so I took a huge chunk from her.

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Old 13-02-2006, 07:59 AM posted to rec.food.cooking
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Default Smoked salmon question

The Bubbo wrote:

I don't know much about smoked salmon but I got to thinking about it this
weekend. I made crostini with curried mascarpone, spiced sweet potato and
smoked salmon. This was not the dry, flakey, smokey type of smoked salmon.
This was soft, almost like raw with no smokey flavor at all.

The label clearly said smoked salmon but how do I differentiate when I am
describing it to people? I really don't care for that dry flakey kind. Even
the stuff that is completely naturally smoked tastes like chemicals to me, i
think it's something in the process maybe.




I'm not sure from the description you give, but I think that the dry
flakey type is hot smoked, and the very thinly sliced, almost like raw
type, is cold smoked. I am not the full bottle on the preparation of
either, I'm sure good old Google would turn up something. No doubt if I
consult Harold McGee there'll be something there as well, but I'ver
gotta go go cook the dinner.

Christine
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Old 13-02-2006, 10:40 AM posted to rec.food.cooking
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Default Smoked salmon question

at Mon, 13 Feb 2006 03:28:32 GMT in
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(The Bubbo) wrote :

I don't know much about smoked salmon but I got to thinking about it
this weekend. I made crostini with curried mascarpone, spiced sweet
potato and smoked salmon. This was not the dry, flakey, smokey type of
smoked salmon. This was soft, almost like raw with no smokey flavor at
all.

The label clearly said smoked salmon but how do I differentiate when I
am describing it to people? I really don't care for that dry flakey
kind.


Out here on the west coast (Seattle) the type you got is invariably called
"lox". If you want to be really technical, lox is a specific type of cold-
smoked salmon, but since the generic is in such wide use, specifying it
will probably get you what you need.

By comparison the hot-smoked, flaky kind, is usually called out here
"Northwest-style". There may be other designators.

Beyond that you also have "salmon jerky" which has been dried and smoked -
a common Native American practice.

These are also in ascending order of shelf life. Lox is pretty perishable
and should be kept in the refrigerator. Northwest-style is much more robust
and can survive outside refrigeration for considerable time. Salmon jerky
is room-temperature stable and will keep for weeks.


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Old 13-02-2006, 03:18 PM posted to rec.food.cooking
Dave Smith[_1_]
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Default Smoked salmon question

The Bubbo wrote:

I don't know much about smoked salmon but I got to thinking about it this
weekend. I made crostini with curried mascarpone, spiced sweet potato and
smoked salmon. This was not the dry, flakey, smokey type of smoked salmon.
This was soft, almost like raw with no smokey flavor at all.

The label clearly said smoked salmon but how do I differentiate when I am
describing it to people? I really don't care for that dry flakey kind. Even
the stuff that is completely naturally smoked tastes like chemicals to me, i
think it's something in the process maybe.


The process involves bringing the fish first. Smoking is the last and really an
unnecessary process in cold smoking. The fish is first brined in a combination
of salt and brown sugar. Then is is rinsed and soaked in a saturated salt
solution after which it is rinsed of excess salt. After that has been done it is
usually often brushed with a mixture of brown sugar and rum. It is quite edible
at that point but can be cold smoked for the smoky flavour. This style of
smoking salmon should give you a product that looks raw. It should be a little
drier than raw salmon.

Then there is hot smoked salmon which involves some bringing before slow cooking
with some heat and smoke. This results in a completely different texture.


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Old 13-02-2006, 03:20 PM posted to rec.food.cooking
Dave Smith[_1_]
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Default Smoked salmon question

Kent wrote:

You had "cold smoked salmon", by far the most delicate of any salmon
preparation. The only competitive preparation is Gravlax, which is very good
as well.
What brand was it? What was the date on the package relative to today's
date?
I like Costco's Norwegian cold smoked salmon, and it's the best deal around
for a certified tightwad.


My sister in law was visiting a few weeks ago and brought some smoked Salmon
from Giant Tiger, $1.99 for a 5 oz package. It wasn't bad.

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Old 13-02-2006, 04:23 PM posted to rec.food.cooking
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Default Smoked salmon question

In article ,
The Bubbo wrote:

Thank you!
It was in fact the Costco Norwegian stuff. I dn't have the package, my sister
had purchased some a couple days ago so I took a huge chunk from her.


Hey, have you got a Costco membership?
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Old 13-02-2006, 04:26 PM posted to rec.food.cooking
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Melba's Jammin' wrote:
In article ,
The Bubbo wrote:

Thank you!
It was in fact the Costco Norwegian stuff. I dn't have the package, my

sister
had purchased some a couple days ago so I took a huge chunk from her.


Hey, have you got a Costco membership?


no, my sister does. She tried to give me one for christmas, but it's just
david and me, i don't really need it.

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Old 13-02-2006, 04:59 PM posted to rec.food.cooking
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Default Smoked salmon question

The Bubbo wrote:



Hey, have you got a Costco membership?


no, my sister does. She tried to give me one for christmas, but it's just
david and me, i don't really need it.


I am afraid to get one. I know there are some good deals in there, but there
are just two of us here. When I did have a card I would go in for something
specific, not find it and still spend more than $100, mostly on stuff I
didn't rally have much use for.

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Old 13-02-2006, 05:27 PM posted to rec.food.cooking
The Bubbo
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Default Smoked salmon question

Dave Smith wrote:


I am afraid to get one. I know there are some good deals in there, but there
are just two of us here. When I did have a card I would go in for something
specific, not find it and still spend more than $100, mostly on stuff I
didn't rally have much use for.


I only really go when I am having a party and need lots of something, but
honestly, even for parties of 30 or 40 people I don't get much there.

Of course I did buy the 15 pack of Kraft mac and cheese!

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Old 13-02-2006, 07:54 PM posted to rec.food.cooking
Dave Smith[_1_]
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Default Smoked salmon question

The Bubbo wrote:

I only really go when I am having a party and need lots of something, but
honestly, even for parties of 30 or 40 people I don't get much there.

Of course I did buy the 15 pack of Kraft mac and cheese!


I found a good deal on frozen shrimp there, but when I went back they no longer
had it. I get the impression that a lot of their deals are matter of special deals
from suppliers but that they are not committed to carrying any particular
products. They had some good deals on thinks like Breton crackers and some pasta
sauces which were sold in packs of 3 or four, but they were all variety packs.


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Old 14-02-2006, 05:39 AM posted to rec.food.cooking
Kent
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Default Smoked salmon question

I make gravlax. http://www.recipezaar.com/31131
You're describing making gravlax and smoking following at a very low temp.,
75-80F or so. I've tried this at a temp. of 110-125 in the Luhr Jensen
Little Chef with marginal results. I've never tried it with smoke and no
heat. That's probably the answer to a question that has haunted me for
years.
Thanx
Kent


"Dave Smith" wrote in message
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The Bubbo wrote:

I don't know much about smoked salmon but I got to thinking about it this
weekend. I made crostini with curried mascarpone, spiced sweet potato and
smoked salmon. This was not the dry, flakey, smokey type of smoked
salmon.
This was soft, almost like raw with no smokey flavor at all.

The label clearly said smoked salmon but how do I differentiate when I am
describing it to people? I really don't care for that dry flakey kind.
Even
the stuff that is completely naturally smoked tastes like chemicals to
me, i
think it's something in the process maybe.


The process involves bringing the fish first. Smoking is the last and
really an
unnecessary process in cold smoking. The fish is first brined in a
combination
of salt and brown sugar. Then is is rinsed and soaked in a saturated salt
solution after which it is rinsed of excess salt. After that has been done
it is
usually often brushed with a mixture of brown sugar and rum. It is quite
edible
at that point but can be cold smoked for the smoky flavour. This style of
smoking salmon should give you a product that looks raw. It should be a
little
drier than raw salmon.

Then there is hot smoked salmon which involves some bringing before slow
cooking
with some heat and smoke. This results in a completely different texture.




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Old 15-02-2006, 03:24 AM posted to rec.food.cooking
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Default Smoked salmon question

In article ,
Dave Smith wrote:

The Bubbo wrote:

Hey, have you got a Costco membership?


no, my sister does. She tried to give me one for christmas, but it's just
david and me, i don't really need it.


I am afraid to get one. I know there are some good deals in there, but there
are just two of us here. When I did have a card I would go in for something
specific, not find it and still spend more than $100, mostly on stuff I
didn't rally have much use for.


I'm still working off that barrel of maple syrup I bought back in
1998...

sd
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Old 15-02-2006, 03:41 AM posted to rec.food.cooking
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me wrote:

I'm still working off that barrel of maple syrup I bought back in
1998...


Barrel of maple syrup?

We are about half way through the litre jug I bought in December, and that is
probably the fastest we have ever gone through the stuff.

I consider myself lucky. There is a farm nearby that produces maple syrup and it
is just down the road from the stable where I take riding lessons. It is much
cheaper to buy it in larger volumes. I cringe when I see it in shoppes (with an
extra p and an e) where they charge almost as much for a very small bottle of it
as I pay for a litre.



 




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