I have absolutely no hesitancy in saying:

That was the most enjoyable segment I've ever seen on any
of Bobby Flay's shows.

Not only do we get to learn about some real American
culinary history, and watch a man use a really big hammer
to make a really tough steak really tender, but we are
privileged to see Bobby flay hit by flying raw meat
and reduced to cowering and babbling while trying to
eat food that's doubtless better than anything his sorry
"Southwestern" restaurants have ever served.

Next time I'm in DFW, I know exactly where I'm going for
a CFS, tater, and a slice of that pie that I swear I could
taste on my television.

--Blair
"What a country."

"Blair P. Houghton" wrote in message
.. .
I have absolutely no hesitancy in saying:

That was the most enjoyable segment I've ever seen on any
of Bobby Flay's shows.

Not only do we get to learn about some real American
culinary history, and watch a man use a really big hammer
to make a really tough steak really tender, but we are
privileged to see Bobby flay hit by flying raw meat
and reduced to cowering and babbling while trying to
eat food that's doubtless better than anything his sorry
"Southwestern" restaurants have ever served.

Next time I'm in DFW, I know exactly where I'm going for
a CFS, tater, and a slice of that pie that I swear I could
taste on my television.

--Blair
"What a country."

Blair,
Since I haven't had the luxury of seeing this episode yet (had to work) and
it was filmed 1.5 years ago, I forgot what kind of pie Bobby ate. What hind
of pie was it? Now that I've assumed all the pie production the recipes have
been tweaked to improve them and I'd be glad to post the recipe for you
(this is a food newsgroup isn't it?). Making 60 + pies and cobblers a week
has improved my skills and some techniques that make them more consistent.
It did feel good to splatter Chef Bobby with flying beef shrapnel. I had no
idea they would include that part, some of his crew must inhabit RFC.

Dave Ross

"Blair P. Houghton" wrote:

I have absolutely no hesitancy in saying:

That was the most enjoyable segment I've ever seen on any
of Bobby Flay's shows.

I agree, that was a good segment.

Not only do we get to learn about some real American
culinary history, and watch a man use a really big hammer
to make a really tough steak really tender, but we are
privileged to see Bobby flay hit by flying raw meat
and reduced to cowering and babbling while trying to
eat food that's doubtless better than anything his sorry
"Southwestern" restaurants have ever served.

Oh bullshit. He was not cowering or babbling. I think it's pretty sad
you wreck what could have been a nice post about Dave's moment with your
vindictiveness.

Bobby was as he generally is in these shows, respectful towards the cook
and appreciative of the results.




Brian Rodenborn

DaveR wrote:
Blair,
Since I haven't had the luxury of seeing this episode yet (had to work) and
it was filmed 1.5 years ago, I forgot what kind of pie Bobby ate. What hind
of pie was it?

Looked like a chocolate meringue, maybe an ancho-chile chocolate pie,
if we're lucky.

Now that I've assumed all the pie production

Aaaaaagh!

That beautiful little old lady who made that beautiful
little old lady chocolate pie is not there any more!?

the recipes have
been tweaked to improve them and I'd be glad to post the recipe for you
(this is a food newsgroup isn't it?). Making 60 + pies and cobblers a week
has improved my skills and some techniques that make them more consistent.
It did feel good to splatter Chef Bobby with flying beef shrapnel. I had no
idea they would include that part, some of his crew must inhabit RFC.

TV is a wonderful thing.

--Blair
"Don't miss a trick."

Default User wrote:
"Blair P. Houghton" wrote:
privileged to see Bobby flay hit by flying raw meat
and reduced to cowering and babbling while trying to
eat food that's doubtless better than anything his sorry
"Southwestern" restaurants have ever served.

Oh bullshit. He was not cowering or babbling. I think it's pretty sad
you wreck what could have been a nice post about Dave's moment with your
vindictiveness.

Bobby was as he generally is in these shows, respectful towards the cook
and appreciative of the results.

He was cowering and babbling. I've seen his shows where
he's got his bimbo du jour by his side and he's preening
and pounding his chest the whole time.

The irony of a chef who makes "southwestern" food not
knowing dink about the food of the southwest is perfect.

--Blair
"I don't post to make you happy."

"Blair P. Houghton" wrote:

He was cowering and babbling.

I'll say it again, bullshit.

I've seen his shows where
he's got his bimbo du jour by his side and he's preening
and pounding his chest the whole time.

His "bimbo du jour" is his fiancee, the actress Stephanie March. I
wouldn't classify her as a bimbo in any way.

The irony of a chef who makes "southwestern" food not
knowing dink about the food of the southwest is perfect.

What makes you think so? Part of his job is to prompt the guest chef to
explain how the dish is made.



Brian Rodenborn

Default User wrote:

"Blair P. Houghton" wrote:


He was cowering and babbling.


I'll say it again, bullshit.


I've seen his shows where
he's got his bimbo du jour by his side and he's preening
and pounding his chest the whole time.


His "bimbo du jour" is his fiancee, the actress Stephanie March. I
wouldn't classify her as a bimbo in any way.


The irony of a chef who makes "southwestern" food not
knowing dink about the food of the southwest is perfect.


What makes you think so? Part of his job is to prompt the guest chef to
explain how the dish is made.



Brian Rodenborn


There are a bunch of Bobby-bashers who get their jollies pretending to
be superior to Flay and attributing all types of behavior to him because
of their jealousies.


jim

"JimLane" wrote in message
...

There are a bunch of Bobby-bashers who get their jollies pretending to
be superior to Flay and attributing all types of behavior to him because
of their jealousies.


I don't know if I qualify as a Bobby basher, and I don't think I am or
pretend to be superior to him in any way, but I cannot stand to watch his
shows. I think he acts rude and arrogant whenever he interacts with people.
I've often wondered how he acts off camera and I was hoping Dave could offer
us some first hand insight.

telmgren wrote:

I don't know if I qualify as a Bobby basher, and I don't think I am or
pretend to be superior to him in any way, but I cannot stand to watch his
shows. I think he acts rude and arrogant whenever he interacts with people.
I've often wondered how he acts off camera and I was hoping Dave could offer
us some first hand insight.

How odd that we see him so differently. I like the guy. He's confident yet I
don't think he's rude or offensively arrogant. Is it his "New Yorkness" that
bothers you?
Goomba

telmgren wrote:

I don't know if I qualify as a Bobby basher, and I don't think I am or
pretend to be superior to him in any way, but I cannot stand to watch his
shows. I think he acts rude and arrogant whenever he interacts with people.
I've often wondered how he acts off camera and I was hoping Dave could offer
us some first hand insight.

Have you actually watched much of FoodNation? In what way does he do
that could be construed as arrogant or rude?

I can understand people not liking someone, there are plenty of people
on TV I don't like. But I don't make up stuff about them.



Brian Rodenborn

Default User wrote:
"Blair P. Houghton" wrote:

He was cowering and babbling.

I'll say it again, bullshit.

You keep serving it, we keep not eating it.

I've seen his shows where
he's got his bimbo du jour by his side and he's preening
and pounding his chest the whole time.

His "bimbo du jour" is his fiancee, the actress Stephanie March. I
wouldn't classify her as a bimbo in any way.

I seen the show. You got some personal reason not to
be objective?

The irony of a chef who makes "southwestern" food not
knowing dink about the food of the southwest is perfect.

What makes you think so? Part of his job is to prompt the guest chef to
explain how the dish is made.

Sure. Lots of people do it. But they don't evince
their own ignorance in the process. Because, generally,
they don't have ignorance to evince in their own field of
specialization in their own profession.

I'm not saying he looked ignorant just by being a host of
a TV show. I'm saying he evidenced real ignorance.

--Blair
"Classic."

JimLane wrote:
There are a bunch of Bobby-bashers who get their jollies pretending to
be superior to Flay and attributing all types of behavior to him because
of their jealousies.

Then why wouldn't I feel and talk the same way about,
say, Emeril? Or Sara Moulton? Or Tyler Florence?

Is it because I'm not jealous so much as critical, and I
recognize that their faults are in presentation not in skill,
while Flay's are in both, and deep, and cloying?

--Blair
"Why yes, yes it is."

Blair wrote about Bobby Flay:

Sure. Lots of people do it. But they don't evince
their own ignorance in the process. Because, generally,
they don't have ignorance to evince in their own field of
specialization in their own profession.

I'm not saying he looked ignorant just by being a host of
a TV show. I'm saying he evidenced real ignorance.

I rarely watch anything in which Flay appears, but I got a kick out of one
program. I think it was "FoodNation"; Flay was traveling around in the
Pacific Northwest, either Oregon or Washington. He visited a guy who grew
asparagus, and the guy brought out a mortar and pestle to make a
quasi-guacamole (using asparagus instead of avocado).

I've NEVER heard anyone mangle the pronunciation of "molcajete" as badly as
Flay did on that day. Does anybody else remember the Jack-in-the-box
commercials where Jack was having a hard time pronouncing "chipotle"? Flay's
mispronunciation was on that scale. How can a purported expert on
Southwestern cuisine be so inept in Spanish? I guess it might be that Flay's
got something of an Elmer Fudd speech impediment; it's really evident in the
commercials in which he talks about "gwillin' season".

I remember someone making a quite cogent observation about Flay, something
about how he waxes ecstatic about anything HE makes, while giving faint
praise at best for the cooking of anybody else. Lemme see if Google can
find it...okay, here's the article, which you can read for yourselves:

http://flakmag.com/tv/flay.html

Bob

Bob wrote:
I've NEVER heard anyone mangle the pronunciation of "molcajete" as badly as
Flay did on that day. Does anybody else remember the Jack-in-the-box

Chipatopily.

I remember someone making a quite cogent observation about Flay, something
about how he waxes ecstatic about anything HE makes, while giving faint
praise at best for the cooking of anybody else. Lemme see if Google can
find it...okay, here's the article, which you can read for yourselves:

http://flakmag.com/tv/flay.html

He's definitely got some personality issues that reek of
either abuse or neglect in his childhood. A little therapy
would clear him up, though, because he's got the impetus
in his career, and they're mildly antisocial rather than
apparently sociopathic.

--Blair
"Jack's diction ROCKS!"

I don't know if I qualify as a Bobby basher, and I don't think I am or
pretend to be superior to him in any way, but I cannot stand to watch his
shows. I think he acts rude and arrogant whenever he interacts with
people.
I've often wondered how he acts off camera and I was hoping Dave could
offer
us some first hand insight.

OK, first hand. Flay was fun, intelligent, knowlegable and easy to work
with. His New Yorkness on camera is evident and this is usually irritating
to me, but it wasn't that way in person. The director or editor of his
shows, seems to want a choppy style of sound bites, that makes his style
seem more abrupt. There is a jumpy nervous style to the composition of his
shows that leave me with a uncertain feeling. Everything is prepped, too
fast, too easy, the feeling that two hours has passed while he did a 10
minute episode is evident.

To sum it up: If Bobby Flay were to invite me to a party, the only
hesitation I have is that he's a redhead.

Dave Ross