Nancy1 wrote:
Debbie wrote:
"notbob" wrote in message
...
| On 2005-09-02, Bob wrote:
|
| Earlier today, I received this on an e-mail list:
|
| ....which means it's more than likely a lotta bull.
|
Dunno about all that Bob wrote, but it was reported on CNN this am that the
National Guard had orders to shoot to kill.

Debbie

Unless they are trained snipers, they can't help but shoot as best they
can - the best shot in the world, in a tense situation, cannot just
wound on purpose - any real officer will tell you that.

Ain't you ever heard of the Lone Ranger... and even a dumb dago knows
to shoot kneecaps.

Sheldon

In article , jmcquown
wrote:

. . . . .So no, I don't object to some isolated folks in Alaska
getting a bridge. It will help them immensely

Jill


That's a noble, egalitarian thought, but with only 50 people on the
island, each person could have been given a million dollars, saving two
hundred million.

On 2 Sep 2005 06:02:20 -0700, Seamus wrote:

Half a billion for bridges in Alaska ? $40M to protect a major city ?
You don't see the problem with this ?


Here's more fodder for you:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/arc..._09/007023.php

The worst offense of all (I think) is that the hospital ship just left
port today and won't arrive until Thursday.

Hundreds of ambulances and busses were bottle necked too.
http://www.jems.com/

Do Not Self-Dispatch to Katrina

Aug. 30, 2005

In a release distributed yesterday, Michael D. Brown, under secretary
of Homeland Security for Emergency Preparedness and Response and head
of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), urged all fire and
emergency services departments to not respond to counties and states
affected by Hurricane Katrina without being requested and lawfully
dispatched by state and local authorities under mutual aid agreements
and the Emergency Management Assistance Compact. Personnel from
departments are to remain in their jurisdictions until affected states
request assistance.

Further, the U.S. Fire Administration asks that fire and EMS
organizations remain in contact with their local and state emergency
management agency officials for updates on requirements in the
affected areas.

Release Date: August 29, 2005

Never mind, GW taking his time to come off of vacation ....

Don't get me started! He's not running for re-election, so he doesn't
feel any need to make a show of caring the way he did with 9-11. I
absolutely HATE his swagger. He walks around pretending he's got guns
strapped to his hips.... and he still doesn't know how to talk in
sentences.

sf wrote:
On 2 Sep 2005 06:02:20 -0700, Seamus wrote:

Half a billion for bridges in Alaska ? $40M to protect a major city
? You don't see the problem with this ?


Here's more fodder for you:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/arc..._09/007023.php

The worst offense of all (I think) is that the hospital ship just left
port today and won't arrive until Thursday.

Hundreds of ambulances and busses were bottle necked too.
http://www.jems.com/

Do Not Self-Dispatch to Katrina

Aug. 30, 2005

In a release distributed yesterday, Michael D. Brown, under secretary
of Homeland Security for Emergency Preparedness and Response and head
of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), urged all fire and
emergency services departments to not respond to counties and states
affected by Hurricane Katrina without being requested and lawfully
dispatched by state and local authorities under mutual aid agreements
and the Emergency Management Assistance Compact. Personnel from
departments are to remain in their jurisdictions until affected states
request assistance.

Further, the U.S. Fire Administration asks that fire and EMS
organizations remain in contact with their local and state emergency
management agency officials for updates on requirements in the
affected areas.

Release Date: August 29, 2005

Never mind, GW taking his time to come off of vacation ....

Don't get me started! He's not running for re-election, so he doesn't
feel any need to make a show of caring the way he did with 9-11. I
absolutely HATE his swagger. He walks around pretending he's got guns
strapped to his hips.... and he still doesn't know how to talk in
sentences.

A bureaucracy gone a muck. Florida wanted to send volunteer air boats with
crews to LA right after the storm but FEMA told them no until they could be
billed for it. I agree with you for sure on this one.

--

Joe Cilinceon

The funding cuts started in 2002 and went downhill from there. The most
recent cut is indicative of *attitude*. No one could have predicted
that a class 5 would hit in August 2005, but we knew there would be one
eventually. It was well known that the levee system would NOT hold up
under a class 5.
The *attitude* was such that NO's levees could remain in poor shape
while a bridge to nowhere @
250M should be built (that's 500K per capita on the target island *and*
they have a ferry, not pirogues or kayaks -- and an airport).

If a driver (Bush/Congress/DHS) is knowingly operating a vehicle (the
gov't) with faulty brakes (the Mississippi levee system) while
diverting the funds for repair to wine and caviar (bridge to nowhere),
and the brakes fail the driver is most certainly to blame for the
resulting accident.

By statute, the Federal Gov't is responsible for *all* navigable waters
within the US, and especially interstate routes such as the
Mississippi. The ACOE was given this responsibility under Section 10 of
the Rivers and Harbors Act of 1899 (Chapter 33, Section 403 of the
United States Code). Funding cuts prevented the ACOE from doing its
work correctly. Work which was identified, funding requested and said
funding diverted to such pork as the "bridge to nowhere".


The rescue efforts were a problem. Local and state gov't's were
overwhelmed and in such cases the Federal gov't *must* pick up the
slack. Attitude and incompetance. FEMA director Brown being "unaware"
that there was a refugee problem at the Superdome, when anyone in the
world with a television set knew ! FEMA not allowing traffic carrying
food and water into the area ( excuse - no security as the Guard had
not shown; however Florida State troopers were ready to take
resposibility)."Mavericks" in a Air Force Reserve squadron took it upon
themselves to fly the supplies in by chopper , a job more
economically, safely and efficiently done by tractor-trailers).

Bush waiting two days to "end early" his vacation.

Corrections : thats 5M per capita

Also :
"Budget cuts delayed New Orleans flood control work"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050901/...ina_funding_dc
"Everybody Knew" (but Bush didn't ?!?!?!?)
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/12539792.htm

""Government at all levels failed," Sen. Susan Collins (news, bio,
voting record), R-Maine, said at the Capitol. She announced that the
Senate Governmental Affairs Committee would hold hearings, adding, "It
is difficult to understand the lack of preparedness and the ineffective
initial response to a disaster that had been predicted for years, and
for which specific, dire warnings had been given for days."

Seamus wrote:
""Government at all levels failed," Sen. Susan Collins (news, bio,
voting record), R-Maine, said at the Capitol. She announced that the
Senate Governmental Affairs Committee would hold hearings, adding, "It
is difficult to understand the lack of preparedness and the ineffective
initial response to a disaster that had been predicted for years, and
for which specific, dire warnings had been given for days."

Here's the new Popular Science magazine. They have a 6 to 9 month lead
time. No excuses.

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/

Pastorio

Bob (this one) wrote:
Seamus wrote:

""Government at all levels failed," Sen. Susan Collins (news, bio,
voting record), R-Maine, said at the Capitol. She announced that the
Senate Governmental Affairs Committee would hold hearings, adding, "It
is difficult to understand the lack of preparedness and the ineffective
initial response to a disaster that had been predicted for years, and
for which specific, dire warnings had been given for days."


Here's the new Popular Science magazine. They have a 6 to 9 month lead
time. No excuses.

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/

My mistake. This was published last April.

Pastorio

My mistake. This was published last April.
Even more damning, IMO.

In article .com,
Seamus wrote:

The funding cuts started in 2002 and went downhill from there. The most
recent cut is indicative of *attitude*. No one could have predicted
that a class 5 would hit in August 2005, but we knew there would be one
eventually. It was well known that the levee system would NOT hold up
under a class 5.
The *attitude* was such that NO's levees could remain in poor shape
while a bridge to nowhere @
250M should be built (that's 500K per capita on the target island *and*
they have a ferry, not pirogues or kayaks -- and an airport).

If a driver (Bush/Congress/DHS) is knowingly operating a vehicle (the
gov't) with faulty brakes (the Mississippi levee system) while
diverting the funds for repair to wine and caviar (bridge to nowhere),
and the brakes fail the driver is most certainly to blame for the
resulting accident.

By statute, the Federal Gov't is responsible for *all* navigable waters
within the US, and especially interstate routes such as the
Mississippi. The ACOE was given this responsibility under Section 10 of
the Rivers and Harbors Act of 1899 (Chapter 33, Section 403 of the
United States Code). Funding cuts prevented the ACOE from doing its
work correctly. Work which was identified, funding requested and said
funding diverted to such pork as the "bridge to nowhere".


The rescue efforts were a problem. Local and state gov't's were
overwhelmed and in such cases the Federal gov't *must* pick up the
slack. Attitude and incompetance. FEMA director Brown being "unaware"
that there was a refugee problem at the Superdome, when anyone in the
world with a television set knew ! FEMA not allowing traffic carrying
food and water into the area ( excuse - no security as the Guard had
not shown; however Florida State troopers were ready to take
resposibility)."Mavericks" in a Air Force Reserve squadron took it upon
themselves to fly the supplies in by chopper , a job more
economically, safely and efficiently done by tractor-trailers).

Bush waiting two days to "end early" his vacation.

Say "administration" vice "government" unless you're one of those
wishing to "kill the beast." Or "current government" if you must.
I fear eight years of the Bush administration's incompetence is going
to sour the nation on any government at all; then we'll be back to pre
Civil War mentality of states' rights and cultural secession. We
already have our quasi Kurds, Sunnis and Shias.

Getting back to food, Katrina will change the economy/ecology of south
Mississippi,entire Louisiana delta country and further. All of the
hotels,restaurants,cab drivers,cooks,wait,
musicians,bartenders,fisherman,farmers,will be affected..etc. The
structural
devastation of the area may cause many property,restaurant,home
owner/renters,etc to seek employment else. No place to work,no
jobs,nowhere
to live,and no way how to hold on long enough.. This may the devastation
that can destroy an entire ambience,lifestyle,cuisine of an area that
should
be preserved at all cost. I am a fan of regional cuisine,however when we
loose the wonderful Creole Ladies and Mens that do their job so well,it
is a
sad loss indeed. This is not to denegrate in any way other regional
cuisines,but to exault them. Love it all..if you will.

I was close on this, however I forgot to include the barge,refinery,port of
NO workers etc. Time is just now beginning to tell its tale.

Hubert

Those that understand Americans with all their faults as will as their
virtues,will respond as they can. From the sound of the Roman Legions
gradually approaching in the Pines of Rome (Respighi), to the Wagnerian
concept of the "Ladies From Hell", listen carefeully. The skirl of the
pipes,marching feet and bugle calls,indicate that in whatever manner,
the
cavalry is on the way for those in need.

I was close again...However it did take a little longer than anticipated on
my part.


Now, Back To Food.

Hubert Liverman
Opelika("Big Swamp" in Cherokee) Liverman

Sheldon wrote:
Hey Jill, of course we'll weather this storm... but don't you find it
kinda strange that not one other country has offered so much as
condolences, let alone offered to lend a hand (I expect no money) but
utility crews, rescue teams, medics, even kitchen crews to fix
sammiches and tend the stew pots? I don't find that strange at all,
they all hate us. What I do find strange is how the US is ALWAYS there
to help with any country's disaster... I had anything to say I'd never
send so much as cent anywhere for any reason whatsoever... were any
other country had folks about to drown I'd offer to **** on them,
maybe.


Total unadulterated bull shite in retrospect.

I hate ALL of yoose filthy douche bags... I especially hate canadians,
mexicans, and europeans... canadians are the worst garbage on the
planet, bunch of friggin' takers/users, give nothing... PARASITES!
Mexicans are lice/roaches, exterminate ALL of them. Europeans need
drowning, ALL of them FILTHY-DIRTY *******s.

Sheldon

Come down here and say that. My mother and fiance are Canadian, you
evil racist piglet.