Please give a numerical grade to the new shows "Iron Chef America:
Preview Special" and "Iron Chef America: Flay vs. Sakai" that aired on
the Food Network tonight.

Your scores must range between a perfect score of 100 [] or zilch 0 []
with 100 being the best kickass show and 0 being the worst, also include
all commentary within the brackets.

Averages will be posted some time within the next week or after the
replies trickle to an embarrassingly small number not befitting of my
stature as your Meat King.



Important!! Ignore the time stamp!! This post was made in the future
after the program had already aired!!!





Sloppy Joe, The Meat King:
Prophet Junior Grade in THE TRUE RELIGION; The World Oligarchy

You WILL bow down before The Meat King!

So, what are you *really planning on doing with the e-mail addresses that you
are trying to harvest? How much do you get paid per address?




Sloppy Joe, The Meat King wrote:
Please give a numerical grade to the new shows "Iron Chef America:
Preview Special" and "Iron Chef America: Flay vs. Sakai" that aired on
the Food Network tonight.

Your scores must range between a perfect score of 100 [] or zilch 0 []
with 100 being the best kickass show and 0 being the worst, also include
all commentary within the brackets.

Averages will be posted some time within the next week or after the
replies trickle to an embarrassingly small number not befitting of my
stature as your Meat King.



Important!! Ignore the time stamp!! This post was made in the future
after the program had already aired!!!





Sloppy Joe, The Meat King:
Prophet Junior Grade in THE TRUE RELIGION; The World Oligarchy

You WILL bow down before The Meat King!

BOB wrote:
So, what are you *really planning on doing with the e-mail addresses
that you are trying to harvest? How much do you get paid per
address?

If he wants to harvest email addresses all he has to do is search for
random words on Google groups. While I think what he is doing is stupid,
I doubt it is malicious. Unless he is both malicious *and* stupid.

--
John Gaughan
http://www.johngaughan.net/

Eenie Meenie Chili Beanie
Sloppy Joe, The Meat King is about to speak:


Please give a numerical grade

No. I don't do numerical grades.

to the new shows "Iron Chef America: Preview Special"

I give this show a blue sequin and 2 Cherry PEZ.

and "Iron Chef America: Flay vs. Sakai"

I only watched half of this so I can only give it a bent paper-clip. Or
maybe a Q-tip that's been used at one end, I can't decide.

that aired on
the Food Network tonight.

Oh! Wait! Food Network? I thought you meant the ones on Game Show
Network.

Your scores must range between a perfect score of 100 [] or zilch 0 []
with 100 being the best kickass show and 0 being the worst, also include
all commentary within the brackets.

You numerologists **** me off, so snobby and superior with your number
scales. Fie on you! If you were a hydrant and I were a dog I would pee
on you.

Averages will be posted some time within the next week or after the
replies trickle to an embarrassingly small number not befitting of my
stature as your Meat King.

Meat King? I'm polishing my Meat King's Crown right now, baybee!!

*IF* you know what I mean, and I think you do.


**
Captain Infinity
...it's 10:00 ...do you know where your pants are?

In article , says...

Please give a numerical grade to the new shows "Iron Chef America:
Preview Special" and "Iron Chef America: Flay vs. Sakai" that aired on
the Food Network tonight.

Your scores must range between a perfect score of 100 [] or zilch 0 []
with 100 being the best kickass show and 0 being the worst, also include
all commentary within the brackets.

Averages will be posted some time within the next week or after the
replies trickle to an embarrassingly small number not befitting of my
stature as your Meat King.


ICA Preview Special 90

ICA Flay vs. Sakai 60

While ICA improves on the IC USA attempt, it is still flawed, and leaves the impression that
the results were fixed.

In rec.arts.tv Sloppy Joe, The Meat King wrote:

: Averages will be posted some time within the next week or after the
: replies trickle to an embarrassingly small number not befitting of my
: stature as your Meat King.

The host's suit didn't have enough ruffles ("a lifetime dedicated to martial
arts? Please! So what's he doing on a cooking show then?"), and of course
the local chef won. Don't they always? The French chefs win in France, the
Japanese in Japan, and now the Americans in america.

Bobby Flay's tacos beat Sakai's caviar? Seriously?

It's watchable, but it's got nothing on the originals.

Shawn

"Al" wrote in message
...
While ICA improves on the IC USA attempt, it is still flawed, and leaves
the impression that
the results were fixed.

Oh, I wouldn't go so far as to say 'fixed'. I think the results were due to
the horrible selection of judges. Most of them didn't seem to have the
range of experience needed to appreciate the dishes by the Japanese Iron
Chefs; it didn't look like they easily got past the "eww, this is weird"
reaction.

Overall, I think ICA had a lot of promise to it. The show's mood seemed
about right, whereas IC USA tried too hard to be self-parodying and seemed
to focus on the silliness rather than the food. I liked the new Chairman,
and Alton Brown did a fantastic job as host. Mario Batali and Wolfgang Puck
both brought a lot of skill and originality, and they both looked like they
were having a fantastic time. (Their good attitude was almost as infectious
as Bobby Flay's weird lip herpes)

If they make ICA a regular show, they need to either get more qualified
judges or stick to chefs of "Americanized" cuisines. You just can't bring
on a guy who hates raw fish when one of the chefs was trained as a sushi
chef. The guy on the floor (Kevin?) needs to be replaced with someone with
more knowledge -- what's the point of having someone down in the kitchen if
they can't recognize benito flakes or foie gras? And yes, Bobby Flay needs
to be replaced as an Iron Chef. Forget about the whole cutting-board
controversy. Forget about his arrogant attitude (although it really made
him stand in poor comparison to Batali and Puck). The guy just doesn't seem
terribly original -- he may be a great chef, but in his three solo battles
on IC, I think he's made essentially the same set of dishes each time.

Still, this incarnation of Iron Chef is certainly salvageable and could be a
lot of fun with a little retooling. Sign me up for more!

Dennis
----
(Home)
(Work)
http://users.starpower.net/df2m/

"Al" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

Please give a numerical grade to the new shows "Iron Chef America:
Preview Special" and "Iron Chef America: Flay vs. Sakai" that aired on
the Food Network tonight.

Your scores must range between a perfect score of 100 [] or zilch 0 []
with 100 being the best kickass show and 0 being the worst, also include
all commentary within the brackets.

Averages will be posted some time within the next week or after the
replies trickle to an embarrassingly small number not befitting of my
stature as your Meat King.


ICA Preview Special 90

ICA Flay vs. Sakai 60

While ICA improves on the IC USA attempt, it is still flawed, and leaves
the impression that
the results were fixed.

And you think the original Japanese version wasn't????

It's like pro wrestling, son. It's fixed for maximum entertainment value.

In my opinion, the right chef/team only won about 1/3rd of the time in the
original. and ICA is running at right about that percentage.

Batali/Sakai whipped the pants off Flay/Moromoto, but look who was graded
higher?

"Dennis Ferguson" wrote in message
...

"Al" wrote in message
...
While ICA improves on the IC USA attempt, it is still flawed, and leaves
the impression that
the results were fixed.

Oh, I wouldn't go so far as to say 'fixed'. I think the results were due
to
the horrible selection of judges. Most of them didn't seem to have the
range of experience needed to appreciate the dishes by the Japanese Iron
Chefs; it didn't look like they easily got past the "eww, this is weird"
reaction.

Overall, I think ICA had a lot of promise to it. The show's mood seemed
about right, whereas IC USA tried too hard to be self-parodying and seemed
to focus on the silliness rather than the food. I liked the new Chairman,
and Alton Brown did a fantastic job as host. Mario Batali and Wolfgang
Puck
both brought a lot of skill and originality, and they both looked like
they
were having a fantastic time. (Their good attitude was almost as
infectious
as Bobby Flay's weird lip herpes)

I've never really cared for Puck based on his own show, but watching him
here, I have a newfound appreciation for his talents.


If they make ICA a regular show, they need to either get more qualified
judges or stick to chefs of "Americanized" cuisines. You just can't bring
on a guy who hates raw fish when one of the chefs was trained as a sushi
chef. The guy on the floor (Kevin?) needs to be replaced with someone
with
more knowledge -- what's the point of having someone down in the kitchen
if
they can't recognize benito flakes or foie gras? And yes, Bobby Flay
needs
to be replaced as an Iron Chef. Forget about the whole cutting-board
controversy. Forget about his arrogant attitude (although it really made
him stand in poor comparison to Batali and Puck). The guy just doesn't
seem
terribly original -- he may be a great chef, but in his three solo battles
on IC, I think he's made essentially the same set of dishes each time.

Agreed. But who else is there from Food TV's stable of chefs? Emeril
wouldn't work, he'd be just as bad as Flay, everything would have tons of
garlic and pork fat in it. Ming Tsai (spelling?) is the only chef I can
think of that might fit. Is he even associated with Food TV anymore? They
don't list his show on their website anymore.

The majority of the Food TV celebrity hosts are just that, HOSTS, not chefs.
I think Jamie Oliver is the only other real cook on the network.

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:01:32 -0700, "Hidalgo"
wrote:
"Dennis Ferguson" wrote in message
...

"Al" wrote in message
...
While ICA improves on the IC USA attempt, it is still flawed, and
leaves the impression that the results were fixed.

Oh, I wouldn't go so far as to say 'fixed'. I think the results were due
to the horrible selection of judges. Most of them didn't seem to have the
range of experience needed to appreciate the dishes by the Japanese Iron
Chefs; it didn't look like they easily got past the "eww, this is weird"
reaction.

I didn't like the guy from Vogue but he had the credentials. The guy
from Queer Eye was very good.

Overall, I think ICA had a lot of promise to it. The show's mood seemed
about right, whereas IC USA tried too hard to be self-parodying and seemed
to focus on the silliness rather than the food. I liked the new Chairman,
and Alton Brown did a fantastic job as host. Mario Batali and Wolfgang
Puck both brought a lot of skill and originality, and they both looked like
they were having a fantastic time. (Their good attitude was almost as
infectious as Bobby Flay's weird lip herpes)

I've never really cared for Puck based on his own show, but watching him
here, I have a newfound appreciation for his talents.

His assistant was as good as he was. She might be an interesting
combatant.

If they make ICA a regular show, they need to either get more qualified
judges or stick to chefs of "Americanized" cuisines. You just can't bring
on a guy who hates raw fish when one of the chefs was trained as a sushi
chef. The guy on the floor (Kevin?) needs to be replaced with someone
with more knowledge -- what's the point of having someone down in the
kitchen if they can't recognize benito flakes or foie gras? And yes, Bobby Flay
needs to be replaced as an Iron Chef. Forget about the whole cutting-board
controversy. Forget about his arrogant attitude (although it really made
him stand in poor comparison to Batali and Puck). The guy just doesn't
seem terribly original -- he may be a great chef, but in his three solo battles
on IC, I think he's made essentially the same set of dishes each time.

Agreed. But who else is there from Food TV's stable of chefs? Emeril
wouldn't work, he'd be just as bad as Flay, everything would have tons of
garlic and pork fat in it. Ming Tsai (spelling?) is the only chef I can
think of that might fit. Is he even associated with Food TV anymore? They
don't list his show on their website anymore.

I couldn't see Emeril as a regular but he would make a good contestant
if he would do it. I got the impression from his show that he isn't
fond of Iron Chef- something about competition for his main man
position maybe.

Ming has a new show on our local PBS outlet and Ming's Quest is still
listed on Fine Living which is a sister network to Food TV. His shows
are on the shopping page on Food TV's web page but they link to
nothing. I guess he may be on the outs with Food TV but would
probably battle if asked.

The majority of the Food TV celebrity hosts are just that, HOSTS, not chefs.
I think Jamie Oliver is the only other real cook on the network.

He would be fun to see in the stadium.

--
John Duncan Yoyo
------------------------------o)
Brought to you by the Binks for Senate campaign comittee.
Coruscant is far, far away from wesa on Naboo.

What about Tyler Florence as an Iron Chef?

Even if his food's lousy, he'd be nice to look at.

Todd English ALMOST made the other show worth watching.


"John Duncan Yoyo" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:01:32 -0700, "Hidalgo"
wrote:
"Dennis Ferguson" wrote in message
...

"Al" wrote in message
...
While ICA improves on the IC USA attempt, it is still flawed, and
leaves the impression that the results were fixed.

Oh, I wouldn't go so far as to say 'fixed'. I think the results were
due
to the horrible selection of judges. Most of them didn't seem to have
the
range of experience needed to appreciate the dishes by the Japanese
Iron
Chefs; it didn't look like they easily got past the "eww, this is
weird"
reaction.

I didn't like the guy from Vogue but he had the credentials. The guy
from Queer Eye was very good.

Overall, I think ICA had a lot of promise to it. The show's mood
seemed
about right, whereas IC USA tried too hard to be self-parodying and
seemed
to focus on the silliness rather than the food. I liked the new
Chairman,
and Alton Brown did a fantastic job as host. Mario Batali and Wolfgang
Puck both brought a lot of skill and originality, and they both looked
like
they were having a fantastic time. (Their good attitude was almost as
infectious as Bobby Flay's weird lip herpes)

I've never really cared for Puck based on his own show, but watching him
here, I have a newfound appreciation for his talents.

His assistant was as good as he was. She might be an interesting
combatant.

If they make ICA a regular show, they need to either get more qualified
judges or stick to chefs of "Americanized" cuisines. You just can't
bring
on a guy who hates raw fish when one of the chefs was trained as a
sushi
chef. The guy on the floor (Kevin?) needs to be replaced with someone
with more knowledge -- what's the point of having someone down in the
kitchen if they can't recognize benito flakes or foie gras? And yes,
Bobby Flay
needs to be replaced as an Iron Chef. Forget about the whole
cutting-board
controversy. Forget about his arrogant attitude (although it really
made
him stand in poor comparison to Batali and Puck). The guy just doesn't
seem terribly original -- he may be a great chef, but in his three solo
battles
on IC, I think he's made essentially the same set of dishes each time.

Agreed. But who else is there from Food TV's stable of chefs? Emeril
wouldn't work, he'd be just as bad as Flay, everything would have tons of
garlic and pork fat in it. Ming Tsai (spelling?) is the only chef I can
think of that might fit. Is he even associated with Food TV anymore? They
don't list his show on their website anymore.

I couldn't see Emeril as a regular but he would make a good contestant
if he would do it. I got the impression from his show that he isn't
fond of Iron Chef- something about competition for his main man
position maybe.

Ming has a new show on our local PBS outlet and Ming's Quest is still
listed on Fine Living which is a sister network to Food TV. His shows
are on the shopping page on Food TV's web page but they link to
nothing. I guess he may be on the outs with Food TV but would
probably battle if asked.

The majority of the Food TV celebrity hosts are just that, HOSTS, not
chefs.
I think Jamie Oliver is the only other real cook on the network.

He would be fun to see in the stadium.

--
John Duncan Yoyo
------------------------------o)
Brought to you by the Binks for Senate campaign comittee.
Coruscant is far, far away from wesa on Naboo.

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:08:11 GMT, shawn wrote:

Shawn H wrote:

In rec.arts.tv Sloppy Joe, The Meat King wrote:

: Averages will be posted some time within the next week or after the
: replies trickle to an embarrassingly small number not befitting of my
: stature as your Meat King.

The host's suit didn't have enough ruffles ("a lifetime dedicated to martial
arts? Please! So what's he doing on a cooking show then?"), and of course
the local chef won. Don't they always? The French chefs win in France, the
Japanese in Japan, and now the Americans in america.

My guess is they knew that people would recognize the Chairman from
his many martial arts films/TV shows, so they played that aspect up.
The Japanese chairman was an actor that didn't seem to have many roles
judging by his IMDB list (which may be very incomplete). I think his
name is Marc Dracos. He didn't do a horrible job, but I would have
liked him to have more flair like the Japanese Chairman. Heck, I still
love how the Chairman starts to crack up before he bites into the
pepper.

When the Chairman offers Crow as the secret ingredient then we will
know. He is supposed to be Kaga's nephew from what was said in the
introduction special. I do wish he was more of a presence. He is way
too understated. Perhaps if they turned him up to about half-Shatner
he would be better.

Bobby Flay's tacos beat Sakai's caviar? Seriously?

It's possible that the judges really preferred something that they
were more familiar with. It's tough when you only have three judges
since their own personal preferences play such a large role in their
votes.

It's watchable, but it's got nothing on the originals.


Agreed. If they keep the show on the air then hopefully they will fine
tune it. It will never be the same as the original, but it can
certainly be improved over time.

They are going to show a week of new Japanese episodes next week.
These should be older ones. I guess that they should be digging back
towards the beginning.
--
John Duncan Yoyo
------------------------------o)
Brought to you by the Binks for Senate campaign comittee.
Coruscant is far, far away from wesa on Naboo.

"John Duncan Yoyo" wrote in message
...
When the Chairman offers Crow as the secret ingredient then we will
know. He is supposed to be Kaga's nephew from what was said in the
introduction special. I do wish he was more of a presence. He is way
too understated. Perhaps if they turned him up to about half-Shatner
he would be better.

Or just short of there, maybe...say, 450 milliShatners...:-)

Bob M.

"Dennis Ferguson" wrote in message
...

"Al" wrote in message
...
While ICA improves on the IC USA attempt, it is still flawed, and leaves
the impression that
the results were fixed.

And yes, Bobby Flay needs
to be replaced as an Iron Chef. Forget about the whole cutting-board
controversy. Forget about his arrogant attitude (although it really made
him stand in poor comparison to Batali and Puck). The guy just doesn't
seem
terribly original -- he may be a great chef, but in his three solo battles
on IC, I think he's made essentially the same set of dishes each time.


Yup, rigged so that Flay will never loose.
Doug.

Doug Cutler wrote:
"Dennis Ferguson" wrote in message
...

"Al" wrote in message
...

While ICA improves on the IC USA attempt, it is still flawed, and leaves

the impression that

the results were fixed.

And yes, Bobby Flay needs
to be replaced as an Iron Chef. Forget about the whole cutting-board
controversy. Forget about his arrogant attitude (although it really made
him stand in poor comparison to Batali and Puck). The guy just doesn't

seem

terribly original -- he may be a great chef, but in his three solo battles
on IC, I think he's made essentially the same set of dishes each time.



Yup, rigged so that Flay will never loose.
Doug.



Or lose either....