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Dog3 wrote: > (Steve Pope) wrote in > : > > > Margaret Suran > wrote: > > > >>If the deli were a kosher one, you would certainly know it. First of > >>all, there would be a certificate in the window, signed by a rabbi, > >>which would attest to that fact. Also, the place would be closed on > >>all major Jewish holidays and every week from a couple of hours before > >>sundown on Friday, until either an hour after sundown on Saturday > >>night, or until Sunday. > > > > Except for 2nd Avenue Deli in NYC, which is certified as > > kosher yet stays open seven days a week. > > > > Steve > > > > All of the delis I've been to in St. Louis are open 7 days a week also. I > need my chopped liver on Sunday nights for a snack > > Michael If the deli doesn't close for the Sabbath it is not kosher. Sheldon |
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Sheldon > wrote:
>> (Steve Pope) wrote in >>> Except for 2nd Avenue Deli in NYC, which is certified as >>> kosher yet stays open seven days a week. > If the deli doesn't close for the Sabbath it is not kosher. As in all things rabbinical, there is always an exception. But, yes, a lot of people dismiss the kosher certification of 2nd Ave Deli as fake. AFAIK any rabbi can issue a kosher certificate. This thread is really making me want kosher salami. My memory of it is a just slightly fermented, emulsified all-beef salami with enough coriander in the seasoning that it is somewhat reminiscent of corned beef in flavor. In appearance, very anonymous and uniform, not dissimilar to bologna perhaps but firmer in texture such that it can be sliced thin. I remember going into a deli at about 5 a.m. and ordering a kosher salami on an onion bagel, with just mustard. The deliman had just gotten a huge sealed bag of onion bagels in from a bagelry in Long Island City -- the morning shipment -- which he opened by piercing it with one sure stab of his knife (perhaps in emulation of the single swift stroke by which the original cow had been slaughtered for the making of the salami), resulting in a huge plume of steam from the still-hot bagels. I want one of those. Steve |
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tuppy wrote: > > Actually the truth beknown YOU are who chose to make this personal... > > two days ago you couldn't resist taking this discussion out of the > > public arena because it permitted YOU to appear as you really are... a > > LOSER and a COWARD... sending me intimidating email wins you no > > argument, merely shows YOUR true colors, you JEW HATER. I'm done with > > you, tubby. > > > > Sheldon > > > Yup..I hit the wrong button but sent the very same email to the group, now > didn't I? Coward?? If you say so. Jew hater? Again, an example of you > not knowing what you are talking about. Shel the hate monger. Your done > with me? Oh that hurts....LOL. The email you sent me didn't show up here so who knows. And anyway, posting copies of personal email is offensive, if it's of a vituperate nature like the one you sent me that's even more offensive. And I never address argumentive posts by email, not ever... wanna argue, do it here out in the open where everyone can see, not behind closed doors like a coward. And I never post private email... but at least you admit to sending it. Sheldon |
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Steve Pope wrote: > Margaret Suran > wrote: > > >>If the deli were a kosher one, you would certainly know it. First of >>all, there would be a certificate in the window, signed by a rabbi, >>which would attest to that fact. Also, the place would be closed on >>all major Jewish holidays and every week from a couple of hours before >>sundown on Friday, until either an hour after sundown on Saturday >>night, or until Sunday. > > > Except for 2nd Avenue Deli in NYC, which is certified as > kosher yet stays open seven days a week. > > Steve You will not see any obviously Orthodox Jews eating at the 2nd Ave. Deli. They have (or had) a Succah on the sidewalk for Succoth, but you only see regular diners in it, not the ones traditionally dressed, with sidelocks over their ears and under their head coverings and Tsitses (sp?) hanging down from under the shirt or jacket. Lately, there seems to be more compromise with some Orthodox Jews when it comes to Kosher Laws, but the really Orthodox ones have become ever more adherent to those laws. This is something so intimate and personal, I feel weird even discussing it. Not having grown up in a kosher household, I do not consider myself qualified to discuss it. Every time I do, I find out the next day, that I have been mostly wrong. ( |
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Margaret Suran wrote: > Steve Pope wrote: > > Margaret Suran > wrote: > > > > > >>If the deli were a kosher one, you would certainly know it. First of > >>all, there would be a certificate in the window, signed by a rabbi, > >>which would attest to that fact. Also, the place would be closed on > >>all major Jewish holidays and every week from a couple of hours before > >>sundown on Friday, until either an hour after sundown on Saturday > >>night, or until Sunday. > > > > > > Except for 2nd Avenue Deli in NYC, which is certified as > > kosher yet stays open seven days a week. > > > > Steve > > You will not see any obviously Orthodox Jews eating at the 2nd Ave. > Deli. They have (or had) a Succah on the sidewalk for Succoth, but > you only see regular diners in it, not the ones traditionally dressed, > with sidelocks over their ears and under their head coverings and > Tsitses (sp?) hanging down from under the shirt or jacket. Lately, > there seems to be more compromise with some Orthodox Jews when it > comes to Kosher Laws, but the really Orthodox ones have become ever > more adherent to those laws. > > This is something so intimate and personal, I feel weird even > discussing it. Not having grown up in a kosher household, I do not > consider myself qualified to discuss it. Every time I do, I find out > the next day, that I have been mostly wrong. ( Don't worry about it, Margaret... opine away... you won't find two rabbis who will agree on anything. Questioning everythinhg (but, why) is the entire basis of Judaism. Sheldon |
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Katra wrote: > In article .com>, > "Sheldon" > wrote: > > > Charles Gifford wrote: > > > "Sheldon" > wrote in message > > > oups.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > Kosher salami is essentially of only one type, > > > > > > Yes. This is the important point Sheldon. There are many "kinds" of > > > salami.....the Hungarian varities being my favorites......I now > > gather that > > > "Kosher Salami" is a particular type of salami, with, as you mention, > > > slightly different variations in seasoning depending on the maker. It > > could > > > be made under non-kosher conditions as well as a real kosher product. > > The > > > rest of your post seems to be quite sensible too. > > > > > > Charliam > > > > Yes, I suppose one could make non-kosher "kosher salami", but I've > > never seen any sold commercially. But I'm sure many people make > > "kosher salami" at home but don't use kosher meat or follow any laws of > > kasruth. There's a recipe for "kosher style salami" in "Great Sausage > > Rcipes and Sausage Meat Curing" > > by Rytek Kutas... pg 216. > > > > Sheldon > > > > Is your salami Kosher Shel'? ;-D > -- > K. Um, will the next pope be Catholic? Sheldon |
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Katra wrote: > In article .com>, > "Sheldon" > wrote: > > > Katra wrote: > > > In article .com>, > > > "Sheldon" > wrote: > > > > > > > Charles Gifford wrote: > > > > > "Sheldon" > wrote in message > > > > > oups.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kosher salami is essentially of only one type, > > > > > > > > > > Yes. This is the important point Sheldon. There are many "kinds" > > of > > > > > salami.....the Hungarian varities being my favorites......I now > > > > gather that > > > > > "Kosher Salami" is a particular type of salami, with, as you > > mention, > > > > > slightly different variations in seasoning depending on the > > maker. It > > > > could > > > > > be made under non-kosher conditions as well as a real kosher > > product. > > > > The > > > > > rest of your post seems to be quite sensible too. > > > > > > > > > > Charliam > > > > > > > > Yes, I suppose one could make non-kosher "kosher salami", but I've > > > > never seen any sold commercially. But I'm sure many people make > > > > "kosher salami" at home but don't use kosher meat or follow any > > laws of > > > > kasruth. There's a recipe for "kosher style salami" in "Great > > Sausage > > > > Rcipes and Sausage Meat Curing" > > > > by Rytek Kutas... pg 216. > > > > > > > > Sheldon > > > > > > > > > > Is your salami Kosher Shel'? ;-D > > > -- > > > K. > > > > Nah, it's seen too much porking! > > > > Sheldon > > > > Ooh that was BAD!!! <lol> You two are both quite the DIRTY birds...!!! ;---p -- Best Greg |
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In article .com>,
"Sheldon" > wrote: > Margaret Suran wrote: > > Steve Pope wrote: > > > Margaret Suran > wrote: > > > > > > > > >>If the deli were a kosher one, you would certainly know it. First > of > > >>all, there would be a certificate in the window, signed by a rabbi, > > > >>which would attest to that fact. Also, the place would be closed > on > > >>all major Jewish holidays and every week from a couple of hours > before > > >>sundown on Friday, until either an hour after sundown on Saturday > > >>night, or until Sunday. > > > > > > > > > Except for 2nd Avenue Deli in NYC, which is certified as > > > kosher yet stays open seven days a week. > > > > > > Steve > > > > You will not see any obviously Orthodox Jews eating at the 2nd Ave. > > Deli. They have (or had) a Succah on the sidewalk for Succoth, but > > you only see regular diners in it, not the ones traditionally > dressed, > > with sidelocks over their ears and under their head coverings and > > Tsitses (sp?) hanging down from under the shirt or jacket. Lately, > > there seems to be more compromise with some Orthodox Jews when it > > comes to Kosher Laws, but the really Orthodox ones have become ever > > more adherent to those laws. > > > > This is something so intimate and personal, I feel weird even > > discussing it. Not having grown up in a kosher household, I do not > > consider myself qualified to discuss it. Every time I do, I find out > > > the next day, that I have been mostly wrong. ( > > Don't worry about it, Margaret... opine away... you won't find two > rabbis who will agree on anything. Questioning everythinhg (but, why) > is the entire basis of Judaism. I agree, and the Jewish tradition of learning and knowledge is what helped me to realize how bogus Judaism and the other organized religions really are. I was taught to question, but the Rabbi's were never able to answer my questions to my satisfaction. |
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"Sheldon" > wrote in message oups.com... > > You really can't compare today's kosher delis to those from even forty > years ago... there is no comparison... today's kosher delis (every one > of them with no exceptions whatsoever) serve phony baloney. I'll only > believe you've ever eaten real kosher deli if you can tell me what's a > "toot". > > Sheldon > From somewhere on the web: A "toot" is made of a square of waxed, mustard-color paper, which is twisted into a cone, filled with mustard and then folded shut. Scott. |
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Scotty > wrote:
> From somewhere on the web: A "toot" is made of a square of waxed, > mustard-color paper, which is twisted into a cone, filled with > mustard and then folded shut. I am unhappy that I never visited an Automat when they still existed. S. |
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Scotty wrote: > "Sheldon" > wrote in message > oups.com... > > > > > You really can't compare today's kosher delis to those from even forty > > years ago... there is no comparison... today's kosher delis (every one > > of them with no exceptions whatsoever) serve phony baloney. I'll only > > believe you've ever eaten real kosher deli if you can tell me what's a > > "toot". > > > > Sheldon > > > From somewhere on the web: A "toot" is made of a square of waxed, > mustard-color paper, which is twisted > into a cone, filled with mustard and then folded shut. > > Scott. 'Zactly! Draw that man a Knick (Ruppert Knickerbocker). And don't forget to vote for Miss Rheingold. http://www.beerhistory.com/library/h...heingold.shtml Sheldon |
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"Sheldon" > wrote in message oups.com... > > And don't forget to vote for Miss Rheingold. > > http://www.beerhistory.com/library/h...heingold.shtml > > Sheldon Man! That brings back memories! Thanks for the link Sheldon! Charliam |
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Charles Gifford wrote: > "Sheldon" > wrote in message > oups.com... > > > > And don't forget to vote for Miss Rheingold. > > > > http://www.beerhistory.com/library/h...heingold.shtml > > > > Sheldon > > Man! That brings back memories! Thanks for the link Sheldon! > > Charliam It's a goodie, a real brew lover can spend weeks there.; Sheldon |
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Sheldon wrote: > Charles Gifford wrote: > > "Sheldon" > wrote in message > > oups.com... > > > > > > And don't forget to vote for Miss Rheingold. > > > > > > http://www.beerhistory.com/library/h...heingold.shtml > > > > > > Sheldon > > > > Man! That brings back memories! Thanks for the link Sheldon! > > > > Charliam > > It's a goodie, a real brew lover can spend weeks there.; I wish they'd bring back Miss Turnstiles... -- Best Greg |
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tuppy wrote: > "Sheldon" > wrote in message > oups.com... > > > > Charles Gifford wrote: > > > "Sheldon" > wrote in message > > > oups.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > Kosher salami is essentially of only one type, > > > > > > Yes. This is the important point Sheldon. There are many "kinds" of > > > salami.....the Hungarian varities being my favorites......I now > > gather that > > > "Kosher Salami" is a particular type of salami, with, as you mention, > > > slightly different variations in seasoning depending on the maker. It > > could > > > be made under non-kosher conditions as well as a real kosher product. > > The > > > rest of your post seems to be quite sensible too. > > > > > > Charliam > > > > Yes, I suppose one could make non-kosher "kosher salami", but I've > > never seen any sold commercially. But I'm sure many people make > > "kosher salami" at home but don't use kosher meat or follow any laws of > > kasruth. There's a recipe for "kosher style salami" in "Great Sausage > > Rcipes and Sausage Meat Curing" > > by Rytek Kutas... pg 216. > > > > Sheldon > > > And while I am really not trying to be a commercial for Vienna products here > in Chicago, I believe this is exactly what you are talking about apropos to > their salami. Recently, Chicago public TV aired a show about two local products -- Vienna Beef Hot Dogs and Jay's Potato Chips. If I remember right, Vienna Beef started out Kosher, although they are not now Kosher. (And Jay's was originally named Japp's or Mrs Japps, but they changed their name after Pearl Harbor. Me I still miss Wise potato chips). -bwg -bwg |
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In article . com>,
" > wrote: > > Recently, Chicago public TV aired a show about two local products -- > Vienna Beef Hot Dogs and Jay's Potato Chips. If I remember right, > Vienna Beef started out Kosher, although they are not now Kosher. (And > Jay's was originally named Japp's or Mrs Japps, but they changed their > name after Pearl Harbor. Me I still miss Wise potato chips). Wise potato chips are not available in the Chicago area? I don't eat potato chips much, but I am pretty sure Wise potato chips are still sold here in the Philadelphia area. |
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> wrote in message ups.com... > > tuppy wrote: > > "Sheldon" > wrote in message > > oups.com... > > > > > > Charles Gifford wrote: > > > > "Sheldon" > wrote in message > > > > oups.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kosher salami is essentially of only one type, > > > > > > > > Yes. This is the important point Sheldon. There are many "kinds" > of > > > > salami.....the Hungarian varities being my favorites......I now > > > gather that > > > > "Kosher Salami" is a particular type of salami, with, as you > mention, > > > > slightly different variations in seasoning depending on the > maker. It > > > could > > > > be made under non-kosher conditions as well as a real kosher > product. > > > The > > > > rest of your post seems to be quite sensible too. > > > > > > > > Charliam > > > > > > Yes, I suppose one could make non-kosher "kosher salami", but I've > > > never seen any sold commercially. But I'm sure many people make > > > "kosher salami" at home but don't use kosher meat or follow any > laws of > > > kasruth. There's a recipe for "kosher style salami" in "Great > Sausage > > > Rcipes and Sausage Meat Curing" > > > by Rytek Kutas... pg 216. > > > > > > Sheldon > > > > > And while I am really not trying to be a commercial for Vienna > products here > > in Chicago, I believe this is exactly what you are talking about > apropos to > > their salami. > > > Recently, Chicago public TV aired a show about two local products -- > Vienna Beef Hot Dogs and Jay's Potato Chips. If I remember right, > Vienna Beef started out Kosher, although they are not now Kosher. (And > Jay's was originally named Japp's or Mrs Japps, but they changed their > name after Pearl Harbor. Me I still miss Wise potato chips). > > -bwg > > -bwg > There are many food shows that feature regional specialties and when they come to Chicago, it is Vienna Beef hot dogs and nobody elses. It is funny though that when these shows come to Chicago for Italian Beef or pan pizza, a whole new world opens up. |
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Thanks for the URL. It's clear that it isnt distributred here. I may
have seen a small bag (singfle serving size) two or three times in the almost 30 years I've been living in Chicago. But that's it. -bwg |
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In article . net>,
"tuppy" > wrote: > As a side note, Koshering meat and the way meat is prepared in Islam, > called Hallal are not the same and the dietary rules for both a > significantly different. While both abstain from any contact with > pork products, Hallal allows for the consumption of shellfish, fish > without any scales, and preparation of meat with milk. This is also not uniform, as the Shiites do not eat shellfish, or fish without scales. I'm not sure about the dairy and meat. Regards, Ranee -- Remove Do Not and Spam to email "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13 See my Blog at: http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/ |
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