I keep seeing this opinion posted he

"nor do I relish the idea of seeing such a violent and
bloody film, esp. when I know the outcome of the story already."

The Crucifixion _was_ violent and bloody. That's the point!

I keep seeing this opinion posted he

"nor do I relish the idea of seeing such a violent and
bloody film, esp. when I know the outcome of the story already."

The Crucifixion _was_ violent and bloody. That's the point!


ohhhh ok .. so now I get the point. The crucifixion was done so Mel Gibson
could make a movie in the year 2004!
NOWWWWWW I get it ... finally.
~Kat


What did my hands do before they held you?
Sylvia Plath (1932 - 1963)

The Crucifixion _was_ violent and bloody. That's the point!


So, life itself is violent and bloody. Giving birth is violent and bloody.
Hamburger is violent and bloody. That doesn't mean violence and blood, in
themselves, have some message that should interest us.

The authors of the gospels didn't think so: they prefered a sedate,
ritualistic, even pedantic style with a tone of ironic understatement. The
gran gignol, Freddy Kruger treatment, however, seems to appeal to today's
tastes and spiritual requirements.

Neil

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[ . . . ]

The authors of the gospels didn't think so: they prefered a sedate,
ritualistic, even pedantic style with a tone of ironic understatement.

[ . . . ]

A reader of certain translations of the Bible can be lulled by overfamiliarity.
For "buffeted," read "tortured"; for "smote," read "punched." One can be
jarred by reading the Bible in another language.
This is one way that people with less learning than ours, less conditioning,
can have an advantage: they don't have as many overtones, some of which aren't
part of the original.

The original prose was written in a trade language -- Koine, the "common
tongue" -- and with certain devices common in Hebrew and Aramaic (e.g.,
paralellism and repetition).

So I'd question your reading of the style as "ritualistic, even pedantic".

Ob. Food: Oatmeal, oatmeal, oatmeal.
;-)
E. P.

(Nancree) drools:

I keep seeing this opinion posted he

"nor do I relish the idea of seeing such a violent and
bloody film, esp. when I know the outcome of the story already."

The Crucifixion _was_ violent and bloody. That's the point!

Then you're in agreement that yet another fercocktah rendition portraying
malevolent gore, without any redeeming social value whatsoever,by some
nefarious and greedy douche bag, ain't worth producing again, and again, and
again ad infinitum... only a pointy headed imbecile would advocate seeing such
dreck... are you an idiot's delight, or do you also enjoy films depicting
little girls being raped... of what other forms of shocking violence are you
fond, you porno slut... make no mistake about it, the film is pornography pure
and simple, anyone needs a definition of pornography see the film. Btw,
pornography has nothing whatsoever to do with sexuality.


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Julian9EHP wrote:

From: (WardNA)
Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking


[ . . . ]


The authors of the gospels didn't think so: they prefered a sedate,
ritualistic, even pedantic style with a tone of ironic understatement.


[ . . . ]

A reader of certain translations of the Bible can be lulled by overfamiliarity.
For "buffeted," read "tortured"; for "smote," read "punched." One can be
jarred by reading the Bible in another language.
This is one way that people with less learning than ours, less conditioning,
can have an advantage: they don't have as many overtones, some of which aren't
part of the original.

The original prose was written in a trade language -- Koine, the "common
tongue" -- and with certain devices common in Hebrew and Aramaic (e.g.,
paralellism and repetition).

So I'd question your reading of the style as "ritualistic, even pedantic".

Ob. Food: Oatmeal, oatmeal, oatmeal.
;-)
E. P.


Mark's gospel is anything but sedate. His favorite word seems to be
"immediately".

-bob

Nancree wrote:
I keep seeing this opinion posted he

"nor do I relish the idea of seeing such a violent and
bloody film, esp. when I know the outcome of the story already."

The Crucifixion _was_ violent and bloody. That's the point!

I understand that. Even so, I have no wish to see it.

So I'd question your reading of the style as "ritualistic, even pedantic".

e.g., at every step of his progress to the cross, the gospel does not fail to
quote some passage from the prophets that it corresponds to. What's that, if
not "ritualistic, even pedantic"?

I don't read Greek, but I've consulted various English translations, and the
basic tone does not vary.

Neil

"Nancree" wrote in message
...
I keep seeing this opinion posted he

"nor do I relish the idea of seeing such a violent and
bloody film, esp. when I know the outcome of the story already."

The Crucifixion _was_ violent and bloody. That's the point!



The movie was gratuitous in it's use of gore, there's no question about it.
In attempting to drive home the suffering, Mr. Gibson went too far and made
the whole thing overwhelming and the result is that one ends up numbed in
the process. It would have served the purpose better to have less graphic
violence and blood, and a little more accuracy wouldn't have hurt. For
example, the entire conversation with Pilates was basically glossed over,
the majority of it skipped, so they could rush back to the blood letting.

kimberly

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:38:56 -0800, "Nexis" wrote:

example, the entire conversation with Pilates was basically glossed over,
the majority of it skipped, so they could rush back to the blood letting.


Well, I don't think people worried as much about their abs back then
as we do now.

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

"Curly Sue" wrote in message
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On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:38:56 -0800, "Nexis" wrote:

example, the entire conversation with Pilates was basically glossed over,
the majority of it skipped, so they could rush back to the blood letting.


Well, I don't think people worried as much about their abs back then
as we do now.

That should have carried a keyboard warning! Thanks for the giggle!

Jo


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On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:38:56 -0800, "Nexis" wrote:

example, the entire conversation with Pilates was basically glossed over,
the majority of it skipped, so they could rush back to the blood letting.


Well, I don't think people worried as much about their abs back then
as we do now.

LOL!! This was hilarious. Thanks for the laugh!
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Donna
A pessimist believes all women are bad. An optimist hopes they are.

"Curly Sue" wrote in message
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On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:38:56 -0800, "Nexis" wrote:

example, the entire conversation with Pilates was basically glossed over,
the majority of it skipped, so they could rush back to the blood letting.


Well, I don't think people worried as much about their abs back then
as we do now.

Sue(tm)

ROFL! Nice

kimberly

"Nexis" wrote in message

The movie was gratuitous in it's use of gore, there's no question about
it.
In attempting to drive home the suffering, Mr. Gibson went too far and
made
the whole thing overwhelming and the result is that one ends up numbed in
the process. It would have served the purpose better to have less graphic
violence and blood,


So Christ was not beaten as much? He did not bleed that much? If that was
typical of the violence that took place, it is accurate and should be there.
People were truly barbaric and truly did things like that. Why does our
society soften real facts but let our kids blow the heads off of characters
in a video game?

Too often we are changing the names of things just so they don't sound so
harsh. Do you know who can parking the Handicapped Parking places? Crippled
people. There, I said crippled because that is what most of them are. I'm
not full figured, I'm fat. I know it and so do people that look at me. I'm
also not hirsute challenged, I'm going bald. No fancy names needed.

Where I work, we don't have associates or human resources, we have workers.
They get paid as much as associates in other companies. They don't want
fancy names, they want a paycheck.
Ed

"Nexis" wrote in message

The movie was gratuitous in it's use of gore, there's no question about
it.
In attempting to drive home the suffering, Mr. Gibson went too far and
made
the whole thing overwhelming and the result is that one ends up numbed in
the process. It would have served the purpose better to have less graphic
violence and blood,


So Christ was not beaten as much? He did not bleed that much? If that was
typical of the violence that took place, it is accurate and should be there.
People were truly barbaric and truly did things like that. Why does our
society soften real facts but let our kids blow the heads off of characters
in a video game?

Too often we are changing the names of things just so they don't sound so
harsh. Do you know who can parking the Handicapped Parking places? Crippled
people. There, I said crippled because that is what most of them are. I'm
not full figured, I'm fat. I know it and so do people that look at me. I'm
also not hirsute challenged, I'm going bald. No fancy names needed.

Where I work, we don't have associates or human resources, we have workers.
They get paid as much as associates in other companies. They don't want
fancy names, they want a paycheck.
Ed