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can digestive enzymes be harmful?
i have a theory about digestive enzymes.
if you take it, over time your body will produce less natural enzymes to balance the enzymes you've ingested. then, you'll need to take more and more enzymes until you become overloaded with enzyme pills. what are the results of taking too much digestive enzyme pills? |
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neurocratic malfunction wrote: > > i have a theory about digestive enzymes. > > if you take it, over time your body will produce less natural enzymes > to balance the enzymes you've ingested. then, you'll need to take > more and more enzymes until you become overloaded with enzyme pills. > > what are the results of taking too much digestive enzyme pills? A definite thinning of the wallet! Why take them if they haven't been prescribed? |
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I think your theory has merit.
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neurocratic malfunction wrote:
> > i have a theory about digestive enzymes. > > if you take it, over time your body will produce less natural enzymes > to balance the enzymes you've ingested. then, you'll need to take > more and more enzymes until you become overloaded with enzyme pills. > > what are the results of taking too much digestive enzyme pills? Nine out of ten doctors believe the pills will cause your body to begin to digest itself, from the inside out. There is no antidote. gloria p IANAD |
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neurocratic malfunction wrote:
> > i have a theory about digestive enzymes. > > if you take it, over time your body will produce less natural enzymes > to balance the enzymes you've ingested. then, you'll need to take > more and more enzymes until you become overloaded with enzyme pills. > > what are the results of taking too much digestive enzyme pills? Nine out of ten doctors believe the pills will cause your body to begin to digest itself, from the inside out. There is no antidote. gloria p IANAD |
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Puester > wrote in message >...
> neurocratic malfunction wrote: > > > > i have a theory about digestive enzymes. > > > > if you take it, over time your body will produce less natural enzymes > > to balance the enzymes you've ingested. then, you'll need to take > > more and more enzymes until you become overloaded with enzyme pills. > > > > what are the results of taking too much digestive enzyme pills? > > > > Nine out of ten doctors believe the pills will cause your > body to begin to digest itself, from the inside out. > There is no antidote. > > gloria p > IANAD where did you get this information? thanks in advance. |
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Puester > wrote in message >...
> neurocratic malfunction wrote: > > > > i have a theory about digestive enzymes. > > > > if you take it, over time your body will produce less natural enzymes > > to balance the enzymes you've ingested. then, you'll need to take > > more and more enzymes until you become overloaded with enzyme pills. > > > > what are the results of taking too much digestive enzyme pills? > > > > Nine out of ten doctors believe the pills will cause your > body to begin to digest itself, from the inside out. > There is no antidote. > > gloria p > IANAD where did you get this information? thanks in advance. |
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"Arri London" > wrote in message ... > > > neurocratic malfunction wrote: > > > > i have a theory about digestive enzymes. > > > > if you take it, over time your body will produce less natural enzymes > > to balance the enzymes you've ingested. then, you'll need to take > > more and more enzymes until you become overloaded with enzyme pills. > > > > what are the results of taking too much digestive enzyme pills? > > A definite thinning of the wallet! > > Why take them if they haven't been prescribed? To go one step further in this logic, would it be possible for one to get too much vitamins, enzymes, etc. from food? I suppose one could eat one's way to ill health by otherwise eating healthy, then overindulging in yoghurt. Might this be your reasoning? Thanks, |
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"Arri London" > wrote in message ... > > > neurocratic malfunction wrote: > > > > i have a theory about digestive enzymes. > > > > if you take it, over time your body will produce less natural enzymes > > to balance the enzymes you've ingested. then, you'll need to take > > more and more enzymes until you become overloaded with enzyme pills. > > > > what are the results of taking too much digestive enzyme pills? > > A definite thinning of the wallet! > > Why take them if they haven't been prescribed? To go one step further in this logic, would it be possible for one to get too much vitamins, enzymes, etc. from food? I suppose one could eat one's way to ill health by otherwise eating healthy, then overindulging in yoghurt. Might this be your reasoning? Thanks, |
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In article >,
Dee Randall <deedoveyatshenteldotnet> wrote: > >"Arri London" > wrote in message ... >> >> neurocratic malfunction wrote: >> > >> > i have a theory about digestive enzymes. >> > >> > if you take it, over time your body will produce less natural enzymes >> > to balance the enzymes you've ingested. then, you'll need to take >> > more and more enzymes until you become overloaded with enzyme pills. >> > >> > what are the results of taking too much digestive enzyme pills? >> >> A definite thinning of the wallet! >> >> Why take them if they haven't been prescribed? > >To go one step further in this logic, would it be possible for one to get >too much vitamins, enzymes, etc. from food? I suppose one could eat one's >way to ill health by otherwise eating healthy, then overindulging in >yoghurt. Might this be your reasoning? It can happen with some nutrients and other substances -- eating polar bear liver can give you a massive overdose of vitamin A, too much licorice is bad for you due to one of the acids in it, and too much seafood may cause you to exceed the RDA of mercury :-) -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT) |
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In article >,
Dee Randall <deedoveyatshenteldotnet> wrote: > >"Arri London" > wrote in message ... >> >> neurocratic malfunction wrote: >> > >> > i have a theory about digestive enzymes. >> > >> > if you take it, over time your body will produce less natural enzymes >> > to balance the enzymes you've ingested. then, you'll need to take >> > more and more enzymes until you become overloaded with enzyme pills. >> > >> > what are the results of taking too much digestive enzyme pills? >> >> A definite thinning of the wallet! >> >> Why take them if they haven't been prescribed? > >To go one step further in this logic, would it be possible for one to get >too much vitamins, enzymes, etc. from food? I suppose one could eat one's >way to ill health by otherwise eating healthy, then overindulging in >yoghurt. Might this be your reasoning? It can happen with some nutrients and other substances -- eating polar bear liver can give you a massive overdose of vitamin A, too much licorice is bad for you due to one of the acids in it, and too much seafood may cause you to exceed the RDA of mercury :-) -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT) |
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You don't have a theory, you have an unproven
hypothesis. Over time people tend to produce low level of digestive enzymes due to AGING. If you look at how the digestive tract is regulated your hypothesis doesn't float. In short, you are wrong. You need to go read an A&P textbook and then study the effect of aging on nutrient status. "neurocratic malfunction" > wrote in message om... > i have a theory about digestive enzymes. > > if you take it, over time your body will produce less natural enzymes > to balance the enzymes you've ingested. then, you'll need to take > more and more enzymes until you become overloaded with enzyme pills. > > what are the results of taking too much digestive enzyme pills? |
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You don't have a theory, you have an unproven
hypothesis. Over time people tend to produce low level of digestive enzymes due to AGING. If you look at how the digestive tract is regulated your hypothesis doesn't float. In short, you are wrong. You need to go read an A&P textbook and then study the effect of aging on nutrient status. "neurocratic malfunction" > wrote in message om... > i have a theory about digestive enzymes. > > if you take it, over time your body will produce less natural enzymes > to balance the enzymes you've ingested. then, you'll need to take > more and more enzymes until you become overloaded with enzyme pills. > > what are the results of taking too much digestive enzyme pills? |
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"David Wright" > wrote in message . com... > In article >, > Dee Randall <deedoveyatshenteldotnet> wrote: > > > >"Arri London" > wrote in message > ... > >> > >> neurocratic malfunction wrote: > >> > > >> > i have a theory about digestive enzymes. > >> > > >> > if you take it, over time your body will produce less natural enzymes > >> > to balance the enzymes you've ingested. then, you'll need to take > >> > more and more enzymes until you become overloaded with enzyme pills. > >> > > >> > what are the results of taking too much digestive enzyme pills? > >> > >> A definite thinning of the wallet! > >> > >> Why take them if they haven't been prescribed? > > > >To go one step further in this logic, would it be possible for one to get > >too much vitamins, enzymes, etc. from food? I suppose one could eat one's > >way to ill health by otherwise eating healthy, then overindulging in > >yoghurt. Might this be your reasoning? > > It can happen with some nutrients and other substances -- eating polar > bear liver can give you a massive overdose of vitamin A, too much > licorice is bad for you due to one of the acids in it, and too much > seafood may cause you to exceed the RDA of mercury :-) Licorice is touted for indigestion. (Buy the kind that doesn't cause elevated hypertension.) I was referring to foods that were naturally good, not ones with known poisons in them as in seafood. Polar bear liver -- can you give me another example ) |
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"David Wright" > wrote in message . com... > In article >, > Dee Randall <deedoveyatshenteldotnet> wrote: > > > >"Arri London" > wrote in message > ... > >> > >> neurocratic malfunction wrote: > >> > > >> > i have a theory about digestive enzymes. > >> > > >> > if you take it, over time your body will produce less natural enzymes > >> > to balance the enzymes you've ingested. then, you'll need to take > >> > more and more enzymes until you become overloaded with enzyme pills. > >> > > >> > what are the results of taking too much digestive enzyme pills? > >> > >> A definite thinning of the wallet! > >> > >> Why take them if they haven't been prescribed? > > > >To go one step further in this logic, would it be possible for one to get > >too much vitamins, enzymes, etc. from food? I suppose one could eat one's > >way to ill health by otherwise eating healthy, then overindulging in > >yoghurt. Might this be your reasoning? > > It can happen with some nutrients and other substances -- eating polar > bear liver can give you a massive overdose of vitamin A, too much > licorice is bad for you due to one of the acids in it, and too much > seafood may cause you to exceed the RDA of mercury :-) Licorice is touted for indigestion. (Buy the kind that doesn't cause elevated hypertension.) I was referring to foods that were naturally good, not ones with known poisons in them as in seafood. Polar bear liver -- can you give me another example ) |
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Dee Randall wrote:
> To go one step further in this logic, would it be possible for one to > get too much vitamins, enzymes, etc. from food? It can be harmful if you take too much iron or fat soluble vitamins; A, D, E & K, especially with children. Digestive enzymes can make you gain weight. I am not sure if it is harmful other than that. Becca |
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Dee Randall wrote:
> To go one step further in this logic, would it be possible for one to > get too much vitamins, enzymes, etc. from food? It can be harmful if you take too much iron or fat soluble vitamins; A, D, E & K, especially with children. Digestive enzymes can make you gain weight. I am not sure if it is harmful other than that. Becca |
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"Arri London" > wrote in message ... > > > neurocratic malfunction wrote: > > > > i have a theory about digestive enzymes. > > > > if you take it, over time your body will produce less natural enzymes > > to balance the enzymes you've ingested. then, you'll need to take > > more and more enzymes until you become overloaded with enzyme pills. > > > > what are the results of taking too much digestive enzyme pills? > > A definite thinning of the wallet! > > Why take them if they haven't been prescribed? My gastorinterologist was an idiot... treated my ulcer with emergency surgery etc but didnt get to the cause.. a decline of human digestive enzyme production with age... after almost dying ..I tried enzymes... problem about 90% solved... but I found you can over do the enzymes. I started with 2 a day and that was fine...but as time went on I needed less...now I take two or three a week. and less potent ones at that. Phil Scott |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 06:19:57 GMT, "Phil Scott"
> posted: > >"Arri London" > wrote in message ... >> >> >> neurocratic malfunction wrote: >> > >> > i have a theory about digestive enzymes. >> > >> > if you take it, over time your body will produce less >natural enzymes >> > to balance the enzymes you've ingested. then, you'll >need to take >> > more and more enzymes until you become overloaded with >enzyme pills. >> > >> > what are the results of taking too much digestive enzyme >pills? >> >> A definite thinning of the wallet! >> > > > >> Why take them if they haven't been prescribed? > > My gastorinterologist was an idiot... treated my ulcer with >emergency surgery etc but didnt get to the cause.. a decline >of human digestive enzyme production with age... after almost >dying ..I tried enzymes... problem about 90% solved... > > >but I found you can over do the enzymes. I started with 2 a >day and that was fine...but as time went on I needed >less...now I take two or three a week. and less potent ones >at that. > >Phil Scott > what enzymes do you think helped you? |
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In article >,
Dee Randall <deedoveyatshenteldotnet> wrote: > >"David Wright" > wrote in message .com... >> In article >, >> Dee Randall <deedoveyatshenteldotnet> wrote: >> > >> >"Arri London" > wrote in message >> ... >> >> >> >> neurocratic malfunction wrote: >> >> > >> >> > i have a theory about digestive enzymes. >> >> > >> >> > if you take it, over time your body will produce less natural enzymes >> >> > to balance the enzymes you've ingested. then, you'll need to take >> >> > more and more enzymes until you become overloaded with enzyme pills. >> >> > >> >> > what are the results of taking too much digestive enzyme pills? >> >> >> >> A definite thinning of the wallet! >> >> >> >> Why take them if they haven't been prescribed? >> > >> >To go one step further in this logic, would it be possible for one to get >> >too much vitamins, enzymes, etc. from food? I suppose one could eat >one's >> >way to ill health by otherwise eating healthy, then overindulging in >> >yoghurt. Might this be your reasoning? >> >> It can happen with some nutrients and other substances -- eating polar >> bear liver can give you a massive overdose of vitamin A, too much >> licorice is bad for you due to one of the acids in it, and too much >> seafood may cause you to exceed the RDA of mercury :-) > >Licorice is touted for indigestion. (Buy the kind that doesn't cause >elevated hypertension.) I was referring to foods that were naturally good, >not ones with known poisons in them as in seafood. Polar bear liver -- can >you give me another example ) It's mostly a question of excess -- if you try to live on carrot juice, for example, the carotenes will turn you yellow and eventually you're apt to expire. Eating a lot of iron-rich foods could be bad for males (elevated risk of heart attack). -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT) |
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Another thing to consider is stomach acid with pepsin supplements. I
need them to absorb B vitamins. If you are overdoing it with them, you'll feel a warm or burning sensation, which I've never felt, and then you can just drink water to neutralize the acid. Don't take calcium carbonate whatever you do - that can cause acid rebound effects, and it also actually inhibits your body's ability to absorbe calcium. "William_Noyes" > wrote in message m>... > You don't have a theory, you have an unproven > hypothesis. Over time people tend to produce low > level of digestive enzymes due to AGING. > If you look at how the digestive tract is regulated > your hypothesis doesn't float. > In short, you are wrong. You need to go > read an A&P textbook and then study the > effect of aging on nutrient status. > > > "neurocratic malfunction" > wrote in message > om... > > i have a theory about digestive enzymes. > > > > if you take it, over time your body will produce less natural enzymes > > to balance the enzymes you've ingested. then, you'll need to take > > more and more enzymes until you become overloaded with enzyme pills. > > > > what are the results of taking too much digestive enzyme pills? |
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Another thing to consider is stomach acid with pepsin supplements. I
need them to absorb B vitamins. If you are overdoing it with them, you'll feel a warm or burning sensation, which I've never felt, and then you can just drink water to neutralize the acid. Don't take calcium carbonate whatever you do - that can cause acid rebound effects, and it also actually inhibits your body's ability to absorbe calcium. "William_Noyes" > wrote in message m>... > You don't have a theory, you have an unproven > hypothesis. Over time people tend to produce low > level of digestive enzymes due to AGING. > If you look at how the digestive tract is regulated > your hypothesis doesn't float. > In short, you are wrong. You need to go > read an A&P textbook and then study the > effect of aging on nutrient status. > > > "neurocratic malfunction" > wrote in message > om... > > i have a theory about digestive enzymes. > > > > if you take it, over time your body will produce less natural enzymes > > to balance the enzymes you've ingested. then, you'll need to take > > more and more enzymes until you become overloaded with enzyme pills. > > > > what are the results of taking too much digestive enzyme pills? |
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"David Wright" > wrote in message . com... > In article >, > Dee Randall <deedoveyatshenteldotnet> wrote: > > > >"David Wright" > wrote in message > .com... > >> In article >, > >> Dee Randall <deedoveyatshenteldotnet> wrote: > >> > > >> >"Arri London" > wrote in message > >> ... > >> >> > >> >> neurocratic malfunction wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > i have a theory about digestive enzymes. > >> >> > > >> >> > if you take it, over time your body will produce less natural enzymes > >> >> > to balance the enzymes you've ingested. then, you'll need to take > >> >> > more and more enzymes until you become overloaded with enzyme pills. > >> >> > > >> >> > what are the results of taking too much digestive enzyme pills? > >> >> > >> >> A definite thinning of the wallet! > >> >> > >> >> Why take them if they haven't been prescribed? > >> > > >> >To go one step further in this logic, would it be possible for one to get > >> >too much vitamins, enzymes, etc. from food? I suppose one could eat > >one's > >> >way to ill health by otherwise eating healthy, then overindulging in > >> >yoghurt. Might this be your reasoning? > >> > >> It can happen with some nutrients and other substances -- eating polar > >> bear liver can give you a massive overdose of vitamin A, too much > >> licorice is bad for you due to one of the acids in it, and too much > >> seafood may cause you to exceed the RDA of mercury :-) > > > >Licorice is touted for indigestion. (Buy the kind that doesn't cause > >elevated hypertension.) I was referring to foods that were naturally good, > >not ones with known poisons in them as in seafood. Polar bear liver -- can > >you give me another example ) > > It's mostly a question of excess -- if you try to live on carrot > juice, for example, the carotenes will turn you yellow and eventually > you're apt to expire. Per nutrition lecture, persons that turn yellow from carotene excess are often diabetic or low thyroid as I recall. > > Eating a lot of iron-rich foods could be bad for males (elevated risk > of heart attack). > > -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net > These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. > "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants > were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT) > > > |
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"montygram" > wrote in message om... > Another thing to consider is stomach acid with pepsin supplements. Yes, these supplements can really benefit of the middle aged. GERD sufferers need to change their sleep position from sleeping flat to that of a tilted position. Many success to suppressing GERD symptoms by sleep in their recliner. Ideally, the back needs to be propped up such that it doesn't go below 30 to 35 degrees toward 0 degrees. > I > need them to absorb B vitamins. I'd reword this. Too maximise the absorbable of folate, b-12, and inositol, the nutrients needs to be cleaved by hydrolysis to yeild free folic acid, b-12, and inositol. You need ample HCL for hydrolysis of food borne compounds. >If you are overdoing it with them, > you'll feel a warm or burning sensation, which I've never felt, and > then you can just drink water to neutralize the acid. I'll ditto that. > Don't take > calcium carbonate whatever you do - that can cause acid rebound > effects, and it also actually inhibits your body's ability to absorbe > calcium. I don't quite agree and I don't quite disagree. Treating "acid reflux" and "heartburn" with calcium carbonate is a very poor strategy as there is the rebound effect. But that rebound of acid levels would help to yield more absorbable calcium in most people. But some of the most impaired might have reduced calcium absorption. I'll suggest though that the dysfunctions of in the digestion coming with middle age are not just a product of the decline in the output of digestive enzymes but also from a declining nervous system. Hence the weakening of the lower esophageal sphinter that leaks when the person become recumbent to sleep. The bulk of GERD/acid reflux damage happens at night during sleep. Having said that, it is also quite clear than the decline in HCL production and digestive enzyme would result in dysfunctions in the GI motility not through declines in the actual nervous system but through absent or inadequate hormonal signaling being sent to the GI tract for control of motility (that includes the LES, the stomach, the small intestine, and gall bladdder and related) and bile release. To release the GI tract regulating hormones CCK and secretin, the lower stomach and duodenum needs to sense a lowered pH produced by with the ample HCL production of youth and healthy adulthood. The additional pepsin in the context of a sufficiently acid environment, would also improve the signals for the synthesis of the aforemention gut hormones as free peptides are also a signal to that end. Taking additional HCl seems to speed the exit of food/chyme from the stomach while helps the bile to be release, all of which seems to prevent refluxing. The trick for the average GERD sufferer is to get healed which takes weeks at best. This is possible with the acid suppressing drug like Aciphex and Prilosec but (and this is a big but) over the long term these meds are toxic. The problem is the Doctors will not suggest a enough of a change in sleeping position to fully prevent night time acid reflux. The Doctors will suggest raising the head of the bed, six inches, this is NOT enough... not nearly. Moreover, they use proton pump inhibitor when they could use the less expensive and less toxic sucralfate which costs 40 dollars a month versus 150 dollars a month. And they have never heard of the need for additional stomach acid and enzymes as it exactly opposite of what they imagine as the only effective means of preventing the recurrence of GERD. I'll suggest GERD sufferers get healed by any means possible such as PPI meds, or more safely with sucralfate but they MUST at the same time dramatically change their sleeping position to what I have already suggested. Don't get me wrong, some people have other disease processes that result in massive acid production and hence require the use of proton pump inhibitors. Even then patients and Doctors need to alert for the endocrine disruption, nervous system damage, and kidney damage that can come with their use. The problem is that the Doctors are in my experience almost never alert until it is too late; therefore, the patient has to be alert and not leave their medical care to the judgement of .............. Disclaimer: I don't claim to be a Doctor and this is written for my entertainment. > > "William_Noyes" > wrote in message m>... > > You don't have a theory, you have an unproven > > hypothesis. Over time people tend to produce low > > level of digestive enzymes due to AGING. > > If you look at how the digestive tract is regulated > > your hypothesis doesn't float. > > In short, you are wrong. You need to go > > read an A&P textbook and then study the > > effect of aging on nutrient status. > > > > > > "neurocratic malfunction" > wrote in message > > om... > > > i have a theory about digestive enzymes. > > > > > > if you take it, over time your body will produce less natural enzymes > > > to balance the enzymes you've ingested. then, you'll need to take > > > more and more enzymes until you become overloaded with enzyme pills. > > > > > > what are the results of taking too much digestive enzyme pills? |
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