http://www.eggheadforum.com/index.ph...37 16&catid=1

Cheap, but it works.

On 5/22/2010 8:58 PM, Joe wrote:
> http://www.eggheadforum.com/index.ph...37 16&catid=1
>
> Cheap, but it works.
>
>


I've been doing that for 20 years. Still have the original garbage can
(I thought it would have rusted out by now)

Bob

Joe wrote:
> http://www.eggheadforum.com/index.ph...37 16&catid=1
>
> Cheap, but it works.
>
>
>
There are some health issues associated with heating galvanized steel.
Might be worth looking into that before you eat the food.

On Sat, 22 May 2010 21:58:25 -0400, Joe wrote:

> http://www.eggheadforum.com/index.ph...37 16&catid=1
>
> Cheap, but it works.

Never use a galvanized garbage can (which is what that is) to smoke
food.

Spend the $50 on an El Cheapo Brinkman Gourmet (ECBG) which costs
the same and very little assembly required. And best of all, it's
not poisonous and will last 10x as long.

-sw

On Sat, 22 May 2010 22:29:16 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>> Cheap, but it works.
> Never use a galvanized garbage can (which is what that is) to smoke
> food.
> Spend the $50 on an El Cheapo Brinkman Gourmet (ECBG) which costs
> the same and very little assembly required. And best of all, it's
> not poisonous and will last 10x as long.

I've got one of them Brinkmanns. And even now after I got my big 'ol cast
iron pit I use the Brinkmann now and then being surprised how capable it
is of great cookin'.

--
//ceed

Wrong, Squirts.
If you will notice there is no contact with the fire to the galvanize, it
needs a high temp before the galvanize burns and offgasses.
There have been a lot of pit covered with roofing tin. As long as it
doesn't burn the coating it is fine.
I have built several garbage can smokers in my 70 years and had no
problem.
The problem is with folks with not enough knowledge and who may have read
something on the internet.
Burning galvanize can be hazardous to your health
Big Jim
"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 22 May 2010 21:58:25 -0400, Joe wrote:
>
>> http://www.eggheadforum.com/index.ph...37 16&catid=1
>>
>> Cheap, but it works.
>
> Never use a galvanized garbage can (which is what that is) to smoke
> food.
>
> Spend the $50 on an El Cheapo Brinkman Gourmet (ECBG) which costs
> the same and very little assembly required. And best of all, it's
> not poisonous and will last 10x as long.
>
> -sw

On Sat, 22 May 2010 21:58:25 -0400, Joe wrote:

> http://www.eggheadforum.com/index.php?
option=com_simpleboard&func=view&id=893716&catid=1
>
> Cheap, but it works.

Been there done that and also same thing with a 55 gallon drum. Works
great and fun to make.



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On Sun, 23 May 2010 08:40:04 -0400, Big Jim wrote:

> Wrong, Squirts.
> If you will notice there is no contact with the fire to the galvanize,
> it needs a high temp before the galvanize burns and off gasses.
snip
> Big Jim

snip

BJ
Exactly! zinc is not an issue as long as above is complied with.

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Joe > wrote in message
...
> http://www.eggheadforum.com/index.ph...37 16&catid=1
>
> Cheap, but it works.

What's the gauge in the fourth photo atop the welder's glove?

The Ranger

On Sun, 23 May 2010 07:40:31 -0700, The Ranger wrote:

> Joe > wrote in message
> ...
>> http://www.eggheadforum.com/index.php?
option=com_simpleboard&func=view&id=893716&catid=1
>>
>> Cheap, but it works.
>
> What's the gauge in the fourth photo atop the welder's glove?
>
> The Ranger

looks like an automatic temperature controller, stoker or bbq guru.



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Larry wrote:
> Smoker by "Joe Jerk" wrote:
>>
>> http://www.eggheadforum.com/index.ph...37 16&catid=1
>>
>> Cheap, but it works.
>>
>>
>>
>There are some health issues associated with heating galvanized steel.
>Might be worth looking into that before you eat the food.

Absolutely...

On Sun, 23 May 2010 08:40:04 -0400, Big Jim wrote:

> Wrong, Squirts.
> If you will notice there is no contact with the fire to the galvanize, it
> needs a high temp before the galvanize burns and offgasses.
> There have been a lot of pit covered with roofing tin. As long as it
> doesn't burn the coating it is fine.
> I have built several garbage can smokers in my 70 years and had no
> problem.
> The problem is with folks with not enough knowledge and who may have read
> something on the internet.
> Burning galvanize can be hazardous to your health
> Big Jim

Well, Jim, every one of the AFB regulars has mentioned that
galvanized is bad, bad, bad...

<http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=group%3Aalt.food.barbecue+galvanized&btnG=Sear ch&sitesearch=>

But you've never said a peep until now.

So I'll not take my chances and if I ever do feel the need to build
a trash can smoker, will contact a metallurgist before I do. Last
thing I need is an errant chunk of glowing wood coming into contact
with the smoker and burning the zinc coating (but that would never
happen, right?)

-sw

On Sun, 23 May 2010 12:17:00 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> On Sun, 23 May 2010 08:40:04 -0400, Big Jim wrote:
>
>> Wrong, Squirts.
>> If you will notice there is no contact with the fire to the galvanize, it
>> needs a high temp before the galvanize burns and offgasses.
>> There have been a lot of pit covered with roofing tin. As long as it
>> doesn't burn the coating it is fine.
>> I have built several garbage can smokers in my 70 years and had no
>> problem.
>> The problem is with folks with not enough knowledge and who may have read
>> something on the internet.
>> Burning galvanize can be hazardous to your health
>> Big Jim
>
> Well, Jim, every one of the AFB regulars has mentioned that
> galvanized is bad, bad, bad...
>
> <http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=group%3Aalt.food.barbecue+galvanized&btnG=Sear ch&sitesearch=>
>
> But you've never said a peep until now.
>
> So I'll not take my chances and if I ever do feel the need to build
> a trash can smoker, will contact a metallurgist before I do. Last
> thing I need is an errant chunk of glowing wood coming into contact
> with the smoker and burning the zinc coating (but that would never
> happen, right?)
>
> -sw

i thought all that there smoked meat was gonna give you cancer anyway.

your pal,
blake

On 2010-05-23, The Ranger > wrote:
> Joe > wrote in message
> ...
>> http://www.eggheadforum.com/index.ph...37 16&catid=1
>>
>> Cheap, but it works.
>
> What's the gauge in the fourth photo atop the welder's glove?

A gauge to measure the number of years of life lost due to heating
galvanized steel?

nb

blake murphy wrote:
>
> i thought all that there smoked meat was gonna give you cancer anyway.

The risk from smoked meats is dwarfed by the risk
from nitrate- and nitrite-cured meats. Curing salts
are the enemy, not so much smoke. Also, the polyamines
from grilling are a small risk compared to cured meats.

On 5/23/2010 2:40 AM, Big Jim wrote:
> Wrong, Squirts.
> If you will notice there is no contact with the fire to the galvanize, it
> needs a high temp before the galvanize burns and offgasses.
> There have been a lot of pit covered with roofing tin. As long as it
> doesn't burn the coating it is fine.
> I have built several garbage can smokers in my 70 years and had no
> problem.

I have smoked stuff in a garbage can using a can laid on it's side and
an hibachi. I thought I was doing something new. Damn! :-)

> The problem is with folks with not enough knowledge and who may have read
> something on the internet.
> Burning galvanize can be hazardous to your health
> Big Jim
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sat, 22 May 2010 21:58:25 -0400, Joe wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.eggheadforum.com/index.ph...37 16&catid=1
>>>
>>> Cheap, but it works.
>>
>> Never use a galvanized garbage can (which is what that is) to smoke
>> food.
>>
>> Spend the $50 on an El Cheapo Brinkman Gourmet (ECBG) which costs
>> the same and very little assembly required. And best of all, it's
>> not poisonous and will last 10x as long.
>>
>> -sw
>
>

On Sun, 23 May 2010 14:50:29 -0400, blake murphy wrote:

> i thought all that there smoked meat was gonna give you cancer anyway.

We don't care about long term effects. But the zinc fumes are
pretty immediate and can ruin a good meal.

-sw

On Sun, 23 May 2010 12:17:00 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Sun, 23 May 2010 08:40:04 -0400, Big Jim wrote:
>
>> Wrong, Squirts.
>> If you will notice there is no contact with the fire to the galvanize, it
>> needs a high temp before the galvanize burns and offgasses.
>> There have been a lot of pit covered with roofing tin. As long as it
>> doesn't burn the coating it is fine.
>> I have built several garbage can smokers in my 70 years and had no
>> problem.
>> The problem is with folks with not enough knowledge and who may have read
>> something on the internet.
>> Burning galvanize can be hazardous to your health
>> Big Jim
>
>Well, Jim, every one of the AFB regulars has mentioned that
>galvanized is bad, bad, bad...
>
><http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=group%3Aalt.food.barbecue+galvanized&btnG=Sear ch&sitesearch=>
>
>But you've never said a peep until now.
>
>So I'll not take my chances and if I ever do feel the need to build
>a trash can smoker, will contact a metallurgist before I do. Last
>thing I need is an errant chunk of glowing wood coming into contact
>with the smoker and burning the zinc coating (but that would never
>happen, right?)
>
>-sw

Not only are the fumes from zinc electroplate hazardous so is mere
handling it... and a lot of galvanize also contains cadmium, making it
far more dangerous. Everytime I see tradesmen holding cadmium plated
sheet metal screws in their mouth I cringe. A lot of people install
galvanived chain link fence and their rugrats climb on it all day
every day, and then constantly put their fingers in their mouth. By
the time they're eight years old it's discovered they're learning
disabled, and later find a plethora of diseases. Zoos have known for
years not to use gavanized. Folks complain about the products made in
China but the products made in the US are far worse.

On Sun, 23 May 2010 16:48:10 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:

> On Sun, 23 May 2010 12:17:00 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 23 May 2010 08:40:04 -0400, Big Jim wrote:
>>
>>> Wrong, Squirts.
>>> If you will notice there is no contact with the fire to the
>snip

the temperature at which zinc melts is 787.15F according to wikipedia,
hence as Big Jim stated as long as the coals don't touch the zinc there
couldn't be a danger.



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"piedmont" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 23 May 2010 16:48:10 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 23 May 2010 12:17:00 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 23 May 2010 08:40:04 -0400, Big Jim wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wrong, Squirts.
>>>> If you will notice there is no contact with the fire to the
>>snip
>
> the temperature at which zinc melts is 787.15F according to wikipedia,
> hence as Big Jim stated as long as the coals don't touch the zinc there
> couldn't be a danger.

Maybe, but it does not have to melt to cause harm. It merely has to be
ingested. If you get chips off the sides falling onto the meat. Or zinc
oxide over time. My guess is that there is not a problem, but I'm not
taking the chance.

Also from Wikipedia
The free zinc ion is also a powerful Lewis acid up to the point of being
corrosive. Stomach acid contains hydrochloric acid, in which metallic zinc
dissolves readily to give corrosive zinc chloride. Swallowing a post-1982
American one cent piece (97.5% zinc) can cause damage to the stomach lining
due to the high solubility of the zinc ion in the acidic stomach.[3]

There is evidence of induced copper deficiency at low intakes of 100€“300 mg
Zn/d. The USDA RDA is 15 mg Zn/d. Even lower levels, closer to the RDA, may
interfere with the utilization of copper and iron or to adversely affect
cholesterol.[4]

There is also a condition called the zinc shakes or "zinc chills" that can
be induced by the inhalation of freshly formed zinc oxide formed during the
welding of galvanized materials.[5]

On Sun, 23 May 2010 22:00:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> "piedmont" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 23 May 2010 16:48:10 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 23 May 2010 12:17:00 -0500, Sqwertz >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 23 May 2010 08:40:04 -0400, Big Jim wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wrong, Squirts.
>>>>> If you will notice there is no contact with the fire to the
>>>snip
>>
>> the temperature at which zinc melts is 787.15F according to wikipedia,
>> hence as Big Jim stated as long as the coals don't touch the zinc there
>> couldn't be a danger.
>
> Maybe, but it does not have to melt to cause harm. It merely has to be
> ingested. If you get chips off the sides falling onto the meat. Or
> zinc oxide over time. My guess is that there is not a problem, but I'm
> not taking the chance.
>
> Also from Wikipedia
> The free zinc ion is also a powerful Lewis acid up to the point of being
> corrosive. Stomach acid contains hydrochloric acid, in which metallic
> zinc dissolves readily to give corrosive zinc chloride. Swallowing a
> post-1982 American one cent piece (97.5% zinc) can cause damage to the
> stomach lining due to the high solubility of the zinc ion in the acidic
> stomach.[3]
>
> There is evidence of induced copper deficiency at low intakes of 100€“300
> mg Zn/d. The USDA RDA is 15 mg Zn/d. Even lower levels, closer to the
> RDA, may interfere with the utilization of copper and iron or to
> adversely affect cholesterol.[4]
>
> There is also a condition called the zinc shakes or "zinc chills" that
> can be induced by the inhalation of freshly formed zinc oxide formed
> during the welding of galvanized materials.[5]

Ed,
I hear what your saying and have to say that from personal experience
IMHO I think this zinc thing is over stated as long as the fuel isn't on
the zinc coated metal, as a child, my family had occasional get
together's and there was always a brand new zinc coated garbage can
cooking away over flames, filled with beer and water as well as cabbage,
sausage, etc for great boiled dinners, never did anyone get ill. I'm not
telling anyone to do this nor telling anyone to make a cooker out of a
garbage can, but i do think it can be done and done safely and for sure
it is important to state the possible dangers and to know what your doing
ahead of time. So I think these discussions are good and create awareness
of the issues. as with all things, my advice to all is to proceed with
knowledge and take measures to stay safe and healthy.



--
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http://sites.google.com/site/thepracticalbbqr/

On May 24, 5:30*am, piedmont > wrote:
> On Sun, 23 May 2010 22:00:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > "piedmont" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Sun, 23 May 2010 16:48:10 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> >>> On Sun, 23 May 2010 12:17:00 -0500, Sqwertz >
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>>On Sun, 23 May 2010 08:40:04 -0400, Big Jim wrote:
>
> >>>>> Wrong, Squirts.
> >>>>> * If you will notice there is no contact with the fire to the
> >>>snip
>
> >> the temperature at which zinc melts is 787.15F according to wikipedia,
> >> hence as Big Jim stated as long as the coals don't touch the zinc there
> >> couldn't be a danger.
>
> > Maybe, but it does not have to melt to cause harm. *It merely has to be
> > ingested. *If you get chips off the sides falling onto the meat. *Or
> > zinc oxide over time. *My guess is that there is not a problem, but I'm
> > not taking the chance.
>
> > Also from Wikipedia
> > The free zinc ion is also a powerful Lewis acid up to the point of being
> > corrosive. Stomach acid contains hydrochloric acid, in which metallic
> > zinc dissolves readily to give corrosive zinc chloride. Swallowing a
> > post-1982 American one cent piece (97.5% zinc) can cause damage to the
> > stomach lining due to the high solubility of the zinc ion in the acidic
> > stomach.[3]
>
> > There is evidence of induced copper deficiency at low intakes of 100–300
> > mg Zn/d. The USDA RDA is 15 mg Zn/d. Even lower levels, closer to the
> > RDA, may interfere with the utilization of copper and iron or to
> > adversely affect cholesterol.[4]
>
> > There is also a condition called the zinc shakes or "zinc chills" that
> > can be induced by the inhalation of freshly formed zinc oxide formed
> > during the welding of galvanized materials.[5]
>
> Ed,
> I hear what your saying

No, you are not.

>and have to say that from personal experience
> IMHO I think this zinc thing is over stated as long as the fuel isn't on
> the zinc coated metal, as a child, my family had occasional get
> together's and there was always a brand new zinc coated garbage can
> cooking away over flames,
> filled with beer and water as well as cabbage,
> sausage, etc for great boiled dinners, never did anyone get ill.

Great reasoning, "didn't get enough poisoning to become ill or die, so
it's all good."

> I'm not
> telling anyone to do this nor telling anyone to make a cooker out of a
> garbage can, but i do think it can be done and done safely

You "believe", you are not thinking, you are believing. Very different
things.

> of the issues. as with all things, my advice to all is to proceed with
> knowledge and take measures to stay safe and healthy.

And what measures would those be? Other than "don't use galvanized
steel with food" ?

Knowing what you know now, would you use a galvanized steel can and
cook up a batch of BBQ for a class of pre-schoolers? A large family
gathering? Why the heck would you?

Larry wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>> http://www.eggheadforum.com/index.ph...37 16&catid=1
>>
>>
>> Cheap, but it works.
>>
>>
>>
> There are some health issues associated with heating galvanized steel.
> Might be worth looking into that before you eat the food.

We always used respirators when we welded anything with Zinc on it. I
remember some news articles from the 70s about people poisoning
themselves using a refrigerator with galvanized shelves as a smoker.

On Mon, 24 May 2010 07:34:12 -0700, tutall wrote:

Until someone comes up with a definitive study performed by a reputable
group other than welders can get ill by breathing fumes during welding on
zinc coated meatl. i doubt i'll change my mind that the cooker mentioned
here isn't safe to use. i fail to respond to wives tales and hysteria.



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tutall wrote:
> On May 24, 5:30 am, piedmont > wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 May 2010 22:00:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> "piedmont" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sun, 23 May 2010 16:48:10 -0400, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 23 May 2010 12:17:00 -0500, Sqwertz >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 23 May 2010 08:40:04 -0400, Big Jim wrote:
>>>>>>> Wrong, Squirts.
>>>>>>> If you will notice there is no contact with the fire to the
>>>>> snip
>>>> the temperature at which zinc melts is 787.15F according to wikipedia,
>>>> hence as Big Jim stated as long as the coals don't touch the zinc there
>>>> couldn't be a danger.
>>> Maybe, but it does not have to melt to cause harm. It merely has to be
>>> ingested. If you get chips off the sides falling onto the meat. Or
>>> zinc oxide over time. My guess is that there is not a problem, but I'm
>>> not taking the chance.
>>> Also from Wikipedia
>>> The free zinc ion is also a powerful Lewis acid up to the point of being
>>> corrosive. Stomach acid contains hydrochloric acid, in which metallic
>>> zinc dissolves readily to give corrosive zinc chloride. Swallowing a
>>> post-1982 American one cent piece (97.5% zinc) can cause damage to the
>>> stomach lining due to the high solubility of the zinc ion in the acidic
>>> stomach.[3]
>>> There is evidence of induced copper deficiency at low intakes of 100–300
>>> mg Zn/d. The USDA RDA is 15 mg Zn/d. Even lower levels, closer to the
>>> RDA, may interfere with the utilization of copper and iron or to
>>> adversely affect cholesterol.[4]
>>> There is also a condition called the zinc shakes or "zinc chills" that
>>> can be induced by the inhalation of freshly formed zinc oxide formed
>>> during the welding of galvanized materials.[5]
>> Ed,
>> I hear what your saying
>
> No, you are not.
>
>> and have to say that from personal experience
>> IMHO I think this zinc thing is over stated as long as the fuel isn't on
>> the zinc coated metal, as a child, my family had occasional get
>> together's and there was always a brand new zinc coated garbage can
>> cooking away over flames,
>> filled with beer and water as well as cabbage,
>> sausage, etc for great boiled dinners, never did anyone get ill.
>
> Great reasoning, "didn't get enough poisoning to become ill or die, so
> it's all good."
>
>> I'm not
>> telling anyone to do this nor telling anyone to make a cooker out of a
>> garbage can, but i do think it can be done and done safely
>
> You "believe", you are not thinking, you are believing. Very different
> things.
>
>> of the issues. as with all things, my advice to all is to proceed with
>> knowledge and take measures to stay safe and healthy.
>
> And what measures would those be? Other than "don't use galvanized
> steel with food" ?
>
> Knowing what you know now, would you use a galvanized steel can and
> cook up a batch of BBQ for a class of pre-schoolers? A large family
> gathering? Why the heck would you?
>
>
>
>

Hey! the pink corn tastes good too.

On Sun, 23 May 2010 12:27:01 -0700, Mark Thorson wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>>
>> i thought all that there smoked meat was gonna give you cancer anyway.
>
> The risk from smoked meats is dwarfed by the risk
> from nitrate- and nitrite-cured meats. Curing salts
> are the enemy, not so much smoke. Also, the polyamines
> from grilling are a small risk compared to cured meats.

as long as it's something.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 23 May 2010 15:13:46 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> On Sun, 23 May 2010 14:50:29 -0400, blake murphy wrote:
>
>> i thought all that there smoked meat was gonna give you cancer anyway.
>
> We don't care about long term effects. But the zinc fumes are
> pretty immediate and can ruin a good meal.
>
> -sw

i like a man with a practical turn of mind.

your pal,
blake

"Shawn Martin" > wrote
>
> We always used respirators when we welded anything with Zinc on it. I
> remember some news articles from the 70s about people poisoning themselves
> using a refrigerator with galvanized shelves as a smoker.

Thee is not all that much galvanized metal there, but the food was in
contact with the shelves. Smokers run at low temperatures too. The
smoker in question does not have physical contact. I guess it depends on
your risk tolerance.