I have tilia vacuum sealer. It does not seem to suck out all the air.
Called Tilia and they want $50 to send it in for repair or replacement
(they decide). It is out of warranty. Is there anything I can do to get
it to suck out the air better? I have the compact model.

TIA

On 12/23/2003 9:42 AM, in article z8%Fb.626858$HS4.4575312@attbi_s01, "zak"
> opined:

> I have tilia vacuum sealer. It does not seem to suck out all the air.
> Called Tilia and they want $50 to send it in for repair or replacement
> (they decide). It is out of warranty. Is there anything I can do to get
> it to suck out the air better? I have the compact model.
>
> TIA
>
Next time buy the super-duper "Monica" model!
--
================================================== =========
"Grand pappy told my pappy back in my time son, a man had
To answer For the wicked that he'd done."
================================================== =========

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:42:56 GMT, zak > wrote:

>I have tilia vacuum sealer. It does not seem to suck out all the air.
>Called Tilia and they want $50 to send it in for repair or replacement
>(they decide). It is out of warranty. Is there anything I can do to get
>it to suck out the air better? I have the compact model.

Give it a credit card and tell it to go shopping.

-sw

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:16:25 -0600, Steve Wertz
> wrote:

>On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:42:56 GMT, zak > wrote:
>
>>I have tilia vacuum sealer. It does not seem to suck out all the air.
>>Called Tilia and they want $50 to send it in for repair or replacement
>>(they decide). It is out of warranty. Is there anything I can do to get
>>it to suck out the air better? I have the compact model.
>
>Give it a credit card and tell it to go shopping.

Rofl. And don't marry it.

Gar

zak wrote:
>
> I have tilia vacuum sealer. It does not seem to suck out all the air.
> Called Tilia and they want $50 to send it in for repair or replacement
> (they decide). It is out of warranty. Is there anything I can do to get
> it to suck out the air better? I have the compact model.
>
> TIA



No suggestions, but I sympathize because that sucks!

(Sorry, I coouldn't resist.)

gloria p

<Gar> wrote in message ...
> On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:16:25 -0600, Steve Wertz
> > wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:42:56 GMT, zak > wrote:
> >
> >>I have tilia vacuum sealer. It does not seem to suck out all the air.
> >>Called Tilia and they want $50 to send it in for repair or replacement
> >>(they decide). It is out of warranty. Is there anything I can do to get
> >>it to suck out the air better? I have the compact model.
> >
> >Give it a credit card and tell it to go shopping.
>
> Rofl. And don't marry it.
>
> Gar

Q: Why is marriage like a 3-ring circus?

A: Marriage also has 3: The engagement ring, the wedding ring, and the
suffe-ring ;-)

WiScottsin wrote:
>
> <Gar> wrote in message ...
> > On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:16:25 -0600, Steve Wertz
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:42:56 GMT, zak > wrote:
> > >
> > >>I have tilia vacuum sealer. It does not seem to suck out all the air.
> > >>Called Tilia and they want $50 to send it in for repair or replacement
> > >>(they decide). It is out of warranty. Is there anything I can do to get
> > >>it to suck out the air better? I have the compact model.
> > >
> > >Give it a credit card and tell it to go shopping.
> >
> > Rofl. And don't marry it.
> >
> > Gar
>
> Q: Why is marriage like a 3-ring circus?
>
> A: Marriage also has 3: The engagement ring, the wedding ring, and the
> suffe-ring ;-)

Why does a bride smile when she is walking down the isle?

She knows she has given her last BJ..... ;-D

On 12/23/2003 11:28 PM, in article , "Katra"
> opined:

>
>
> WiScottsin wrote:
>>
>> <Gar> wrote in message ...
>>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:16:25 -0600, Steve Wertz
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:42:56 GMT, zak > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have tilia vacuum sealer. It does not seem to suck out all the air.
>>>>> Called Tilia and they want $50 to send it in for repair or replacement
>>>>> (they decide). It is out of warranty. Is there anything I can do to get
>>>>> it to suck out the air better? I have the compact model.
>>>>
>>>> Give it a credit card and tell it to go shopping.
>>>
>>> Rofl. And don't marry it.
>>>
>>> Gar
>>
>> Q: Why is marriage like a 3-ring circus?
>>
>> A: Marriage also has 3: The engagement ring, the wedding ring, and the
>> suffe-ring ;-)
>
> Why does a bride smile when she is walking down the isle?
>
> She knows she has given her last BJ..... ;-D

That's badddddddddddddddddddddddddd, however true.
--
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"New Orleans food is as delicious as the less criminal forms of sin."
-- Mark Twain, 1884
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 01:28:39 -0600, Katra >
wrote:


>Why does a bride smile when she is walking down the isle?
>
>She knows she has given her last BJ..... ;-D

Which is why my new theory is "why buy the cow when you already get
the milk free."

Gar <-----Hopes Snot's not lurking.

WiScottsin wrote:

[snippage]
>
> Q: Why is marriage like a 3-ring circus?
>
> A: Marriage also has 3: The engagement ring, the wedding ring, and the
> suffe-ring ;-)

The longest sentence in the English language is "I do."

---jkb

--
"Bam!"
-- Bam-Bam Rubble

Puester wrote:

> zak wrote:
>
>>I have tilia vacuum sealer. It does not seem to suck out all the air.
>>Called Tilia and they want $50 to send it in for repair or replacement
>>(they decide). It is out of warranty. Is there anything I can do to get
>>it to suck out the air better? I have the compact model.
>>
>>TIA
>
>
>
>
> No suggestions, but I sympathize because that sucks!
>
> (Sorry, I coouldn't resist.)
>
> gloria p

If it sucked he wouldn't have a problem. ;-)

zak. Is the hole on the bottom left side of the unit that creates the
suction clean?

--
Steve

Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it.

zak > wrote in news:z8%Fb.626858$HS4.4575312@attbi_s01:

> I have tilia vacuum sealer. It does not seem to suck out all the air.
> Called Tilia and they want $50 to send it in for repair or replacement
> (they decide). It is out of warranty. Is there anything I can do to get
> it to suck out the air better? I have the compact model.
>
> TIA
>

Must be straight!

zak wrote:
>
> I have tilia vacuum sealer. It does not seem to suck out all the air.
> Called Tilia and they want $50 to send it in for repair or replacement
> (they decide). It is out of warranty. Is there anything I can do to get
> it to suck out the air better? I have the compact model.

I have found that if I don't arrange the ingredients properly, I
will have trouble. As in, if I put meat pieces (say chicken legs)
into the bag in such a way as to trap a little air in there at the
bottom, problem. Plus, are you meticulous when you cut the bags
to make for a very straight edge for the first seal? That's
important, because if that doesn't seal correctly, you won't get
a seal on the other end.

nancy

The Wolf > wrote:
>On 12/23/2003 11:28 PM, in article , "Katra"
> opined:
>
>>
>>
>> WiScottsin wrote:
>>>
>>> <Gar> wrote in message ...
>>>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:16:25 -0600, Steve Wertz
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:42:56 GMT, zak > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have tilia vacuum sealer. It does not seem to suck out all the air.
>>>>>> Called Tilia and they want $50 to send it in for repair or replacement
>>>>>> (they decide). It is out of warranty. Is there anything I can do to get
>>>>>> it to suck out the air better? I have the compact model.
>>>>>
>>>>> Give it a credit card and tell it to go shopping.
>>>>
>>>> Rofl. And don't marry it.
>>>>
>>>> Gar
>>>
>>> Q: Why is marriage like a 3-ring circus?
>>>
>>> A: Marriage also has 3: The engagement ring, the wedding ring, and the
>>> suffe-ring ;-)
>>
>> Why does a bride smile when she is walking down the isle?
>>
>> She knows she has given her last BJ..... ;-D
>
>That's badddddddddddddddddddddddddd, however true.

When are you going to give your last?

--Blair
"Don't tell."

On 12/25/2003 8:02 PM, in article ,
"Blair P. Houghton" > opined:

> The Wolf > wrote:
>> On 12/23/2003 11:28 PM, in article , "Katra"
>> > opined:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WiScottsin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <Gar> wrote in message ...
>>>>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:16:25 -0600, Steve Wertz
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:42:56 GMT, zak > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have tilia vacuum sealer. It does not seem to suck out all the air.
>>>>>>> Called Tilia and they want $50 to send it in for repair or replacement
>>>>>>> (they decide). It is out of warranty. Is there anything I can do to get
>>>>>>> it to suck out the air better? I have the compact model.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Give it a credit card and tell it to go shopping.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rofl. And don't marry it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gar
>>>>
>>>> Q: Why is marriage like a 3-ring circus?
>>>>
>>>> A: Marriage also has 3: The engagement ring, the wedding ring, and the
>>>> suffe-ring ;-)
>>>
>>> Why does a bride smile when she is walking down the isle?
>>>
>>> She knows she has given her last BJ..... ;-D
>>
>> That's badddddddddddddddddddddddddd, however true.
>
> When are you going to give your last?
>
> --Blair
> "Don't tell."

When are you going to grow up and start voting Republican?
--
=======================================
"Democrats **** me off," Eric Cartman.
=======================================

I have tilia vacuum sealer. It does not seem to suck out all the air.
> Called Tilia and they want $50 to send it in for repair or replacement
++++++
I am mostly a lurker but had to jump in and tell my experience.

My husband bought me a Tilia sealer a little less than a year ago. Recently
the thing completely stopped sucking the air out and would just make a whirring
sound.

the manual had a number to call and I was given a return number to sent it
back. Since the unit was purchased less than a year ago it was under warranty.
I cleaned it up and sent it back and they sent me a brand new unit.

But that's not what was most interesting. And if I sound stupid with this
admission I accept it. But I know (and I'm pretty sure the Tilia guy knew it
when I spoke to him) that I tried to seal some chicken soup in the thing. Now
I did it all the right way, straight cut, air bubbles removed, lots of space at
top of the bag. I did notice that the machine started sucking up the chicken
soup!

Of course I immediately stopped the thing and cleaned everything out, yada,
yada. It was after this incident that the machine really, really broke. I was
able to have the Tilia guy actually listen to the humming sound over the
telephone. Then he mentioned that if I'd tried to seal liquids in it and
liquid got pulled into the pump that it was irretrievably broken. I made some
comment that what good was a sealer to me if I couldn't seal bags of chicken
soup.
He said the booklet suggests partially freezing the soup in the freezer and
THEN sealing it. Which, I suppose, if I'd actually read the booklet, would
make sense as I was totally unable to seal the bags of chicken soup after the
soup got sucked up into the pump. Remembering, at that time I didn't know I
was BREAKING the thing, I just knew it wouldn't seal with all the liquid
getting sucked up like that.

So this is what I do now with my brand NEW Tilia sealer. I fill the bags then
sit them into the freezer until they are partially or totally frozen, and THEN
seal them.

Anyway, this is really a BAD design on this machine, and I told the Tilia guy
this. So okay it says not to seal liquid in the BOOKLET. The average American
would likely assume it's okay to seal soup and such in those things. And like
me, they'd inadvertantly break the thing before either learning the right way
to do it or tossing the machine as broken.

Judging by the number of returns Tilia gets (they sent me what they call a NEW
model but I bet it's a machine with some sort of rubber gasket that keeps
liquid from gettig sucked into the pump by idiots like me), this is not an
uncommon thing.

Some engineer somewhere ddin't stop and apply logic to how the average user was
going to use the thing. Yeah, I know it was in the booklet but if bad design
is foisted off on the small print in a booklet than that company doesn't stay
in business long.

Judging by the swift way they handled my boo-boo I figure Tilia wants to stay
in business.
Pat Fish/Merryland

On 26 Dec 2003 06:16:49 GMT, (Pat Fish1) wrote:


>But that's not what was most interesting. And if I sound stupid with this
>admission I accept it. But I know (and I'm pretty sure the Tilia guy knew it
>when I spoke to him) that I tried to seal some chicken soup in the thing. Now
>I did it all the right way, straight cut, air bubbles removed, lots of space at
>top of the bag. I did notice that the machine started sucking up the chicken
>soup!

It's a waste of time and effort to use a Tilia on most liquid soups
when a ziplock will allow you to get all the air out and prevent
freezer burn just as well.

-sw

Steve Wertz wrote:

> On 26 Dec 2003 06:16:49 GMT, (Pat Fish1) wrote:
>
> >But that's not what was most interesting. And if I sound stupid with this
> >admission I accept it. But I know (and I'm pretty sure the Tilia guy knew it
> >when I spoke to him) that I tried to seal some chicken soup in the thing. Now
> >I did it all the right way, straight cut, air bubbles removed, lots of space at
> >top of the bag. I did notice that the machine started sucking up the chicken
> >soup!
>
> It's a waste of time and effort to use a Tilia on most liquid soups
> when a ziplock will allow you to get all the air out and prevent
> freezer burn just as well.
>
> -sw

Tilias are a waste of time, period.
I can get all the air out of a ziplock bag when freezing ANY item with a simple
soda straw, and a minute or so of my time... ;-)

Generally, I double bag anyway to protect from freezer burn. I squeeze all of the
air out of a small storage bag, then
drop several small storage bags into a large one, seal, then label and date.

K.

--
"Beaten Paths are for Beaten People". -- Anon.

All a matter of opinion. I think they are great.

B-0b1 wrote:
>
snip
>
> Tilias are a waste of time, period.
> I can get all the air out of a ziplock bag when freezing ANY item with a simple
> soda straw, and a minute or so of my time... ;-)
>
> Generally, I double bag anyway to protect from freezer burn. I squeeze all of the
> air out of a small storage bag, then
> drop several small storage bags into a large one, seal, then label and date.
>
> K.
>
> --
> "Beaten Paths are for Beaten People". -- Anon.
>
>

B-0b1 wrote:

> Tilias are a waste of time, period.
> I can get all the air out of a ziplock bag when freezing ANY item with a simple
> soda straw, and a minute or so of my time... ;-)
>
> Generally, I double bag anyway to protect from freezer burn. I squeeze all of the
> air out of a small storage bag, then
> drop several small storage bags into a large one, seal, then label and date.
>
> K.
>
> --
> "Beaten Paths are for Beaten People". -- Anon.
>
>

I suggest that you do a side by side freezer test with 1 steak sealed
with the sealer and another one of the same kind an seal it with your
method. Put them in the freezer for, oh, say six months. Pull them out
and see which one you want to eat.

--
Steve

Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it.

The Wolf > wrote:
>On 12/25/2003 8:02 PM, in article ,
>"Blair P. Houghton" > opined:
>
>> The Wolf > wrote:
>>> On 12/23/2003 11:28 PM, in article , "Katra"
>>> > opined:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> WiScottsin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <Gar> wrote in message ...
>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:16:25 -0600, Steve Wertz
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:42:56 GMT, zak > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have tilia vacuum sealer. It does not seem to suck out all the air.
>>>>>>>> Called Tilia and they want $50 to send it in for repair or replacement
>>>>>>>> (they decide). It is out of warranty. Is there anything I can do to get
>>>>>>>> it to suck out the air better? I have the compact model.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Give it a credit card and tell it to go shopping.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rofl. And don't marry it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gar
>>>>>
>>>>> Q: Why is marriage like a 3-ring circus?
>>>>>
>>>>> A: Marriage also has 3: The engagement ring, the wedding ring, and the
>>>>> suffe-ring ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Why does a bride smile when she is walking down the isle?
>>>>
>>>> She knows she has given her last BJ..... ;-D
>>>
>>> That's badddddddddddddddddddddddddd, however true.
>>
>> When are you going to give your last?
>>
>> "Don't tell."
>
>When are you going to grow up and start voting Republican?

Grew up a long time ago, when I stopped voting Republican.

--Blair
"Your ego is not my problem."

On 12/26/2003 5:56 PM, in article ,
"Blair P. Houghton" > opined:

> The Wolf > wrote:
>> On 12/25/2003 8:02 PM, in article ,
>> "Blair P. Houghton" > opined:
>>
>>> The Wolf > wrote:
>>>> On 12/23/2003 11:28 PM, in article ,
>>>> "Katra"
>>>> > opined:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> WiScottsin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <Gar> wrote in message ...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:16:25 -0600, Steve Wertz
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:42:56 GMT, zak > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have tilia vacuum sealer. It does not seem to suck out all the air.
>>>>>>>>> Called Tilia and they want $50 to send it in for repair or replacement
>>>>>>>>> (they decide). It is out of warranty. Is there anything I can do to
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> it to suck out the air better? I have the compact model.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Give it a credit card and tell it to go shopping.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rofl. And don't marry it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gar
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Q: Why is marriage like a 3-ring circus?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A: Marriage also has 3: The engagement ring, the wedding ring, and the
>>>>>> suffe-ring ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Why does a bride smile when she is walking down the isle?
>>>>>
>>>>> She knows she has given her last BJ..... ;-D
>>>>
>>>> That's badddddddddddddddddddddddddd, however true.
>>>
>>> When are you going to give your last?
>>>
>>> "Don't tell."
>>
>> When are you going to grow up and start voting Republican?
>
> Grew up a long time ago, when I stopped voting Republican.
>
> --Blair
> "Your ego is not my problem."

You can't vote republican because you are an illegal canadian..............
--
================================================== =====
"We ride and never worry about the fall...............
I guess that's just the Cowboy in us all," Tim McGraw.
================================================== =====

"B-0b1" > wrote in message > >

> Tilias are a waste of time, period.
> I can get all the air out of a ziplock bag when freezing ANY item with a
simple
> soda straw, and a minute or so of my time... ;-)
>
> Generally, I double bag anyway to protect from freezer burn. I squeeze all
of the
> air out of a small storage bag, then
> drop several small storage bags into a large one, seal, then label and
date.
>
> K.

If you can suck as good as a Tilia, I'd want to marry you!

Your method is better than doing nothing, but you just cannot evacuate as
much air as a machine. This becomes more important as the items are more
irregular in shape and h ave gaps, like a ring of sausage or a head of
broccoli.
Ed

http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
..

Using a straw to pull out the air from a ziplock bag might work for some stuff,
but one of my main reasons for wanting a vacuum sealer is for quickly
marinating foods. I have heard, and someone please correct me if this is wrong
so I don't waste my money, that when you put meat and marinade in a vacuum
sealed bag, the vacuum forces the marinade into the cells and the meat is ready
much sooner than marinating just by osmosis.

For soups and stuff, what happens if you freeze it in the canisters instead of
the bags? Just curious.
-Jen
Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright

OSPAM (JLove98905)
wrote:

if this is wrong
so I don't waste my money, that when you put meat and marinade in a
++++
I see a problem with this per my previous post. Because the Tilia will suck up
the marinade into their pump and the thing will break.

although I would agree that this would be an excellent way to marinate meat I'd
argue that it would break the machine. Unless their new model fixed their bad
design, as I suspect, I'd be wary of trying this on a Tilia.

Which is a shame and as well,I do believe many things would freeze as well as a
ziploc bag, frankly. One of the features I liked, at least at the time, was
the ability to freeze stuff in those boiling bags. As my mind grandly
envisioned, I would return home from a long day, pull a handsome bag of beef
stew from the freezer, homemade of course, then toss it effortlessly into a pot
of boiling water.

What was I thinking? I haven't boiled water for anything but hard-boiled eggs
since they invented the microwave. And now in hindsight, I don't think I could
properly seal that beef stew anyway as it might break the machine.

I did purchase a supply of those boiling bags and they are nice and thick. I
use the sealer quite a bit but I'm not going to argue that it's worth the cost
of the machine and the bags. At least not yet. If I didn't already own one
I'm not sure I'd recommend one to anybody. Or at the least I'd reveal my
disappointment and the drawbacks of the machine.

But maybe it's just me.

Pat Fish/Merryland

"Pat Fish1" > wrote in message

> although I would agree that this would be an excellent way to marinate
meat I'd
> argue that it would break the machine. Unless their new model fixed their
bad
> design, as I suspect, I'd be wary of trying this on a Tilia.

The make an accessory tray just for marinading. The commercial processors
use vacuum for ther marinating.

I don't know how you can call it a bad design. Your failur to read
instructions does not translate to poor design on their part. It is
designed to suck and it does.


>
> Which is a shame and as well,I do believe many things would freeze as well
as a
> ziploc bag, frankly.

Maybe if you are freezing them for a couple of weeks. Vacuum sealing will
allow it to last for a couple of years with no ice crystals. Yes, I've had
things as long as three years with no problems.


Do a comparison with cheese. Put a hunk in a ziplock and onother is a
vacuum sealbe bag and leve them in the fridge. Get back to me with the
results after the one in the zip lock gets moldy.



>
> What was I thinking? I haven't boiled water for anything but hard-boiled
eggs
> since they invented the microwave. And now in hindsight, I don't think I
could
> properly seal that beef stew anyway as it might break the machine.
>

You'd have to freeze it first and then close the bag. I think new models
allow you to seal with less or even no vacuum if desired. You can mw the
bags if you clip a corner to vent them.


> I did purchase a supply of those boiling bags and they are nice and thick.
I
> use the sealer quite a bit but I'm not going to argue that it's worth the
cost
> of the machine and the bags. At least not yet. If I didn't already own
one
> I'm not sure I'd recommend one to anybody. Or at the least I'd reveal my
> disappointment and the drawbacks of the machine.

Thickness of the bags is a big feature. Many of the so called "freezer
bags" are so thin they will break or pin hole fromhandling in the freezer.
They are much sturdier.

> But maybe it's just me.
>
> Pat Fish/Merryland

Maybe.
Ed

In article m>,
Steve Calvin > wrote:

> B-0b1 wrote:
>
> > Tilias are a waste of time, period.
> > I can get all the air out of a ziplock bag when freezing ANY item with a
> > simple
> > soda straw, and a minute or so of my time... ;-)
> >
> > Generally, I double bag anyway to protect from freezer burn. I squeeze all
> > of the
> > air out of a small storage bag, then
> > drop several small storage bags into a large one, seal, then label and
> > date.
> >
> > K.
> >
> > --
> > "Beaten Paths are for Beaten People". -- Anon.
> >
> >
>
> I suggest that you do a side by side freezer test with 1 steak sealed
> with the sealer and another one of the same kind an seal it with your
> method. Put them in the freezer for, oh, say six months. Pull them out
> and see which one you want to eat.


Probably be better I'll grant, but, it just seems like sooo much trouble
to set one up. It's best to not buy so much that you can't eat it
reasonably fresh??? Either way, 6 month old frozen meat is not going to
taste like fresh, and it will probably have lost some of it's
nutritional value.

I won't eat frozen veggies. Period. They are nasty even bought directly
from the grocery store and cooked the same night!

K.

--
^ ^ Cat's Haven Hobby Farm ^ ^ ^ ^
>,,< >,,< >,,<

Katra wrote:
> In article m>,
> Steve Calvin > wrote:

> Probably be better I'll grant, but, it just seems like sooo much trouble
> to set one up. It's best to not buy so much that you can't eat it
> reasonably fresh??? Either way, 6 month old frozen meat is not going to
> taste like fresh, and it will probably have lost some of it's
> nutritional value.
>
> I won't eat frozen veggies. Period. They are nasty even bought directly
> from the grocery store and cooked the same night!
>
> K.
>

In a standard refrig:freezer I'd probalby agree.

In a good quality commercial grade freezer set at -115dF they'll taste
as fresh at 6 months as the did the first day.
--
Steve

Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it.

In article > ,
"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:

> "Pat Fish1" > wrote in message
>
> > although I would agree that this would be an excellent way to marinate
> meat I'd
> > argue that it would break the machine. Unless their new model fixed their
> bad
> > design, as I suspect, I'd be wary of trying this on a Tilia.
>
> The make an accessory tray just for marinading. The commercial processors
> use vacuum for ther marinating.
>
> I don't know how you can call it a bad design. Your failur to read
> instructions does not translate to poor design on their part. It is
> designed to suck and it does.
>
>
> >
> > Which is a shame and as well,I do believe many things would freeze as well
> as a
> > ziploc bag, frankly.
>
> Maybe if you are freezing them for a couple of weeks. Vacuum sealing will
> allow it to last for a couple of years with no ice crystals. Yes, I've had
> things as long as three years with no problems.
>
>
> Do a comparison with cheese. Put a hunk in a ziplock and onother is a
> vacuum sealbe bag and leve them in the fridge. Get back to me with the
> results after the one in the zip lock gets moldy.

Uh, I've never, ever had cheese in the freezer get moldy... even if just
tossed in there in the original packaging, then ziplocked.

As a general rule, I don't freeze cheese anyway unless I shred it first
and intend to use it only for cooking.

However, I do agree if you are _planning_ to freeze long term, a
foodsaver is a good idea. It's just not something that I do, at least
not on purpose. <G> Hence all the jerky I'm making right now.

It was hard to pass up free meat, but I finally had to start saying "no"
to putting more free emu in my freezer. <G>

>
>
>
> >
> > What was I thinking? I haven't boiled water for anything but hard-boiled
> eggs
> > since they invented the microwave. And now in hindsight, I don't think I
> could
> > properly seal that beef stew anyway as it might break the machine.
> >
>
> You'd have to freeze it first and then close the bag. I think new models
> allow you to seal with less or even no vacuum if desired. You can mw the
> bags if you clip a corner to vent them.
>
>
> > I did purchase a supply of those boiling bags and they are nice and thick.
> I
> > use the sealer quite a bit but I'm not going to argue that it's worth the
> cost
> > of the machine and the bags. At least not yet. If I didn't already own
> one
> > I'm not sure I'd recommend one to anybody. Or at the least I'd reveal my
> > disappointment and the drawbacks of the machine.
>
> Thickness of the bags is a big feature. Many of the so called "freezer
> bags" are so thin they will break or pin hole fromhandling in the freezer.
> They are much sturdier.
>
> > But maybe it's just me.
> >
> > Pat Fish/Merryland
>
> Maybe.
> Ed
>
>

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In article m>,
Steve Calvin > wrote:

> Katra wrote:
> > In article m>,
> > Steve Calvin > wrote:
>
> > Probably be better I'll grant, but, it just seems like sooo much trouble
> > to set one up. It's best to not buy so much that you can't eat it
> > reasonably fresh??? Either way, 6 month old frozen meat is not going to
> > taste like fresh, and it will probably have lost some of it's
> > nutritional value.
> >
> > I won't eat frozen veggies. Period. They are nasty even bought directly
> > from the grocery store and cooked the same night!
> >
> > K.
> >
>
> In a standard refrig:freezer I'd probalby agree.
>
> In a good quality commercial grade freezer set at -115dF they'll taste
> as fresh at 6 months as the did the first day.

;-D Ok, and how many people can AFFORD one of those?
The FFP at work is stored at -32 to -40 and it's good for 2 years for
transfusion... But then, that's not food.

I have a 40 cubic ft. Hobart unit that maintains a steady temp. of about
38 degrees. That's how I can get away with 5 day marinades for jerky.
The temp. is monitored. I "inherited" it from the lab where I work when
they got all new equipement.

I love that thing!

Of course, there are the Glacier frozen mammoths that some People have
been reported eating, but followup shows that to be a myth..... :-)

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=3165

K.

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zak wrote:
> I have tilia vacuum sealer. It does not seem to suck out all the air.
> Called Tilia and they want $50 to send it in for repair or replacement
> (they decide). It is out of warranty. Is there anything I can do to get
> it to suck out the air better? I have the compact model.
>
> TIA
>

I have a Tilia foodsaver, bought at the recomendation of folks over at
r.f.p. who have them and love 'em. Might be the worst $150 I ever spent.
It's hard to use, and it doesn't work as well or as quickly as properly
wrapping meat in freezer paper before you freeze it.

And most of the bags eventually come unsealed in the freezer.

Regards,
Bob

zxcvbob wrote:

> I have a Tilia foodsaver, bought at the recomendation of folks over at
> r.f.p. who have them and love 'em. Might be the worst $150 I ever spent.
> It's hard to use, and it doesn't work as well or as quickly as properly
> wrapping meat in freezer paper before you freeze it.
>
> And most of the bags eventually come unsealed in the freezer.

My experience is the complete opposite. I wonder if you're doing
something wrong.

nancy (no offence meant, of course)

Katra wrote:
> In article m>,
> Steve Calvin > wrote:
>
>
>>Katra wrote:
>>
>>>In article m>,
>>> Steve Calvin > wrote:
>>
>>>Probably be better I'll grant, but, it just seems like sooo much trouble
>>>to set one up. It's best to not buy so much that you can't eat it
>>>reasonably fresh??? Either way, 6 month old frozen meat is not going to
>>>taste like fresh, and it will probably have lost some of it's
>>>nutritional value.
>>>
>>>I won't eat frozen veggies. Period. They are nasty even bought directly
>>>from the grocery store and cooked the same night!
>>>
>>>K.
>>>
>>
>>In a standard refrig:freezer I'd probalby agree.
>>
>>In a good quality commercial grade freezer set at -115dF they'll taste
>>as fresh at 6 months as the did the first day.
>
>
> ;-D Ok, and how many people can AFFORD one of those?
> The FFP at work is stored at -32 to -40 and it's good for 2 years for
> transfusion... But then, that's not food.
>
> I have a 40 cubic ft. Hobart unit that maintains a steady temp. of about
> 38 degrees. That's how I can get away with 5 day marinades for jerky.
> The temp. is monitored. I "inherited" it from the lab where I work when
> they got all new equipement.
>
> I love that thing!
>
> Of course, there are the Glacier frozen mammoths that some People have
> been reported eating, but followup shows that to be a myth..... :-)
>
> http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=3165
>
> K.
>
I bought a 20 cu ft commercial grade freezer from Sears. What's so
hard?? It has no trouble keeping it at -15dF (OH, that may be the
problem.... I had -115dF - sorry, finger check). I can take it down to
-20 that I know of and could have still gone colder but didn't see the
need.

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Nancy Young wrote:

> zxcvbob wrote:
>
>
>>I have a Tilia foodsaver, bought at the recomendation of folks over at
>>r.f.p. who have them and love 'em. Might be the worst $150 I ever spent.
>>It's hard to use, and it doesn't work as well or as quickly as properly
>>wrapping meat in freezer paper before you freeze it.
>>
>>And most of the bags eventually come unsealed in the freezer.
>
>
> My experience is the complete opposite. I wonder if you're doing
> something wrong.
>
> nancy (no offence meant, of course)


Don't worry, I don't take offense that easily. :-) Hopefully I am doing
something wrong, cuz that can be fixed if I figure it out. A friend from
church has one and told me she can help me figure out the problem. I'll
take up her offer later this winter when life slows down again.

Part of the problem is that I've had such good luck using freezer paper for
meats and Bes-Pak freezer bags (impermiable non-zipper bags) and a straw
for fruits and vegetables, meatballs, etc, the bar is set pretty high for
the Tilia to compete against. I bought it because I found a good sale, and
I've had trouble finding the Bes-Pak bags ever since the company was bought
out by Hefty a year or two ago.

Old-fashionedly,
Bob

zxcvbob wrote:
>
> Nancy Young wrote:

> > My experience is the complete opposite. I wonder if you're doing
> > something wrong.
> >
> > nancy (no offence meant, of course)
>
> Don't worry, I don't take offense that easily. :-)

(laugh) You know how it is sometimes, I can see what I said being
taken the wrong way.

> Hopefully I am doing
> something wrong, cuz that can be fixed if I figure it out. A friend from
> church has one and told me she can help me figure out the problem. I'll
> take up her offer later this winter when life slows down again.

Good idea. If you're having that much trouble and bag failure,
something is just not right. Look at it this way, so many people on
rfc and rfp like it a lot, there must be something to recommend it.

> Part of the problem is that I've had such good luck using freezer paper for
> meats

That's just the thing, why I bought a Tilia. I tried *everything*
to wrap meat for the freezer. All kinds of ways to wrap it. Freezer
burn city. Wrapped tight as could be. Blessed by the pope. No luck.
Question, do you have a separate freezer that might not be frost free?
I double bagged, everything.

> and Bes-Pak freezer bags (impermiable non-zipper bags) and a straw
> for fruits and vegetables, meatballs, etc, the bar is set pretty high for
> the Tilia to compete against. I bought it because I found a good sale, and
> I've had trouble finding the Bes-Pak bags ever since the company was bought
> out by Hefty a year or two ago.

I hate when that happens.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:

> zxcvbob wrote:
>
>>Nancy Young wrote:
>
>
>>>My experience is the complete opposite. I wonder if you're doing
>>>something wrong.
>>>
>>>nancy (no offence meant, of course)
>>
>>Don't worry, I don't take offense that easily. :-)
>
>
> (laugh) You know how it is sometimes, I can see what I said being
> taken the wrong way.
>
>
>>Hopefully I am doing
>>something wrong, cuz that can be fixed if I figure it out. A friend from
>>church has one and told me she can help me figure out the problem. I'll
>>take up her offer later this winter when life slows down again.
>
>
> Good idea. If you're having that much trouble and bag failure,
> something is just not right. Look at it this way, so many people on
> rfc and rfp like it a lot, there must be something to recommend it.
>
>
>>Part of the problem is that I've had such good luck using freezer paper for
>>meats
>
>
> That's just the thing, why I bought a Tilia. I tried *everything*
> to wrap meat for the freezer. All kinds of ways to wrap it. Freezer
> burn city. Wrapped tight as could be. Blessed by the pope. No luck.
> Question, do you have a separate freezer that might not be frost free?
> I double bagged, everything.
>

Bob,

Just a couple of thoughts without knowing the model that you have. Do
you put the "dimpled" side of the bags down? The bag should go into
the oval "tray" but really shouldn't touch the back or bottom if
possible. That's not critical but can mess things up.

When you seal things, do you wait the recommended 15 seconds between
seals and leave the lid up? (As opposed to the ladies opinions <g>)

Um, the other thing I'd suggest is not to try and cut the bag too
short and "make it work anyway". That's been most of the problems that
I've had. I've found that if the food is laying on the counter
(obviously in the bag) and the open end can reach the sealer and into
the trough then I have no problems.


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Nancy Young wrote:
>
> That's just the thing, why I bought a Tilia. I tried *everything*
> to wrap meat for the freezer. All kinds of ways to wrap it. Freezer
> burn city. Wrapped tight as could be. Blessed by the pope. No luck.

I have the best luck with freezer paper. It looks like white butcher
paper, but it's coated with plastic on one side. You wrap tightly with the
plastic to the inside. Meat keeps for years without freezer burn in either
freezer. However, it will freezer burn no matter how you wrap it within a
few months in the freezer section of the refrigerator.

> Question, do you have a separate freezer that might not be frost free?
> I double bagged, everything.
>

I have 2 freezers; last time I checked they were set to about -5 degrees F.
One is a frost-free upright, and the other is a chest freezer that I was
just cleaning today and noticed that someone must have left the door open a
bit and I need to defrost it. Once every 10 years ain't so bad... Stuff
keeps about the same in both freezers.

Best regards,
Bob

In article m>,
Steve Calvin > wrote:

> Katra wrote:
<snipped>
> >>
> >>In a standard refrig:freezer I'd probalby agree.
> >>
> >>In a good quality commercial grade freezer set at -115dF they'll taste
> >>as fresh at 6 months as the did the first day.
> >
> >
> > ;-D Ok, and how many people can AFFORD one of those?
> > The FFP at work is stored at -32 to -40 and it's good for 2 years for
> > transfusion... But then, that's not food.
> >
> > I have a 40 cubic ft. Hobart unit that maintains a steady temp. of about
> > 38 degrees. That's how I can get away with 5 day marinades for jerky.
> > The temp. is monitored. I "inherited" it from the lab where I work when
> > they got all new equipement.
> >
> > I love that thing!
> >
> > Of course, there are the Glacier frozen mammoths that some People have
> > been reported eating, but followup shows that to be a myth..... :-)
> >
> > http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=3165
> >
> > K.
> >
> I bought a 20 cu ft commercial grade freezer from Sears. What's so
> hard?? It has no trouble keeping it at -15dF (OH, that may be the
> problem.... I had -115dF - sorry, finger check). I can take it down to
> -20 that I know of and could have still gone colder but didn't see the
> need.

Ok, you kinda had me wondering there... ;-)
-115 is pretty damned cold! <G>

If you can spring for a lab Blood Bank 'frige, -40 is no problem. %-D
I think they are about $4000.00 or so.

K.

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Katra wrote:

>>
>>I bought a 20 cu ft commercial grade freezer from Sears. What's so
>>hard?? It has no trouble keeping it at -15dF (OH, that may be the
>>problem.... I had -115dF - sorry, finger check). I can take it down to
>>-20 that I know of and could have still gone colder but didn't see the
>>need.
>
>
> Ok, you kinda had me wondering there... ;-)
> -115 is pretty damned cold! <G>
>
> If you can spring for a lab Blood Bank 'frige, -40 is no problem. %-D
> I think they are about $4000.00 or so.
>
> K.
>

Yeah, I figured that. Sorry. <blush>

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Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it.

In article m>,
Steve Calvin > wrote:

> Katra wrote:
>
> >>
> >>I bought a 20 cu ft commercial grade freezer from Sears. What's so
> >>hard?? It has no trouble keeping it at -15dF (OH, that may be the
> >>problem.... I had -115dF - sorry, finger check). I can take it down to
> >>-20 that I know of and could have still gone colder but didn't see the
> >>need.
> >
> >
> > Ok, you kinda had me wondering there... ;-)
> > -115 is pretty damned cold! <G>
> >
> > If you can spring for a lab Blood Bank 'frige, -40 is no problem. %-D
> > I think they are about $4000.00 or so.
> >
> > K.
> >
>
> Yeah, I figured that. Sorry. <blush>

<shrugs> Typos happen... <G> This is usenet.

What we rilly need is a few pots of liquid Nitrogen! LOL!

K.

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