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How long can uncooked chicken sit outside fridge before going bad?
I purchased chicken thighs at Costco, and wasn't able to get home for
about 4-5 hours. It sat in the car, local temps are about 60-65 degrees. Got it home, put in fridge, now two days later, assuming its still good, need to cook up now before more time goes by. Would you toss it or use it? Can you tell by odor alone if its ok? -- "Be kind, because everyone you meet is fighting a desperate battle." Philo of Alexandria. Do not email if posting a response. TO EMAIL, REPLACE X WITH 4 |
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How long can uncooked chicken sit outside fridge before going bad?
>I purchased chicken thighs at Costco, and wasn't able to get home for
>about 4-5 hours. It sat in the car, local temps are about 60-65 degrees. >Got it home, put in fridge, now two days later, assuming its still good, >need to cook up now before more time goes by. Would you toss it or use >it? Can you tell by odor alone if its ok? > If it was frozen when you bought it and the package was still cold and icy by the time you got it in the refrigerator then it's probably okay. However, if it came from the refrigerated meat case and wasn't frozen when you bought it then I would toss it. At 60-65 degrees for such a long time the chicken has probably gotten too warm and unsafe. |
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Robin wrote: > > I purchased chicken thighs at Costco, and wasn't able to get home for > about 4-5 hours. It sat in the car, local temps are about 60-65 degrees. > Got it home, put in fridge, now two days later, assuming its still good, > need to cook up now before more time goes by. Would you toss it or use > it? Can you tell by odor alone if its ok? > > -- It is risky if you pass 2 hours... Keep an ice chest in the car, but as for that batch, it's up to you. :-) Personally, if they still smelled ok, I'd cook them up for the chooks. I learned the hard way not to take risks like that. K. -- >^,,^< Cats-haven Hobby Farm >^,,^< >^,,^< "There are millions of intelligent species in the universe, and they are all owned by cats" -- Asimov Custom handcrafts, Sterling silver beaded jewelry http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...s&userid=Katra |
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Katra wrote:
> Personally, if they still smelled ok, I'd cook them up for the chooks. Odor isn't a reliable indicator for pathogens, so you shouldn't depend on it. If this were me: I would definetely not serve them to guests. I'd probably eat them myself though, because they're fine in all likelihood. I see it this way... it's one thing to take a risk for myself, even if it's small. It's quite another thing to involve others. -- Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com |
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Reg wrote: > > Katra wrote: > > > Personally, if they still smelled ok, I'd cook them up for the chooks. > > Odor isn't a reliable indicator for pathogens, so you shouldn't depend > on it. > > If this were me: I would definetely not serve them to guests. I'd probably > eat them myself though, because they're fine in all likelihood. > > I see it this way... it's one thing to take a risk for myself, even if it's > small. It's quite another thing to involve others. > > -- > Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com Uh, chooks are chickens... :-) That is what I suggested she feed them to. Chickens eat maggots and carrion, etc. It's VERY hard to poison them with spoiled food! LOL! K. -- >^,,^< Cats-haven Hobby Farm >^,,^< >^,,^< "There are millions of intelligent species in the universe, and they are all owned by cats" -- Asimov Custom handcrafts, Sterling silver beaded jewelry http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...s&userid=Katra |
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Katra wrote:
> Uh, chooks are chickens... :-) > That is what I suggested she feed them to. Ah. In that case I'd throw out the costco boxed chicken and cook the real ones! I'm jealous. I want my own chicken supply like you have. -- Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com |
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Reg wrote: > > Katra wrote: > > > Uh, chooks are chickens... :-) > > That is what I suggested she feed them to. > > Ah. In that case I'd throw out the costco boxed chicken and cook the > real ones! > > I'm jealous. I want my own chicken supply like you have. > > -- > Reg = LOL! Young rooster is quite good... but the fresh organic eggs are the gods. :-) K. -- >^,,^< Cats-haven Hobby Farm >^,,^< >^,,^< "There are millions of intelligent species in the universe, and they are all owned by cats" -- Asimov Custom handcrafts, Sterling silver beaded jewelry http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...s&userid=Katra |
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Katra wrote in message >... >Uh, chooks are chickens... :-) >That is what I suggested she feed them to. > >Chickens eat maggots and carrion, etc. It's VERY hard to poison them >with spoiled food! LOL! > um, isnt it kind of, well, wrong to feed chicken to chickens? or something. -- Saerah TANSTAAFL " I think the burden is on those people who think he didn't have weapons of mass destruction to tell the world where they are." Ari Fleischer 7/9/2003 |
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"Reg" > wrote in message . com... > Katra wrote: > > > Personally, if they still smelled ok, I'd cook them up for the chooks. > > Odor isn't a reliable indicator for pathogens, so you shouldn't depend > on it. > > If this were me: I would definetely not serve them to guests. I'd probably > eat them myself though, because they're fine in all likelihood. > > I see it this way... it's one thing to take a risk for myself, even if it's > small. It's quite another thing to involve others. > Amen. I bend the rules when it's just cooking for me. Especially rule F, as in 'fff-ffff', for when something hits the floor. Jack San-i-terry |
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Robin saw Sally selling seashells by the seashore and told us all
about it on Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:08:15 -0800: >I purchased chicken thighs at Costco, and wasn't able to get home for >about 4-5 hours. It sat in the car, local temps are about 60-65 degrees. >Got it home, put in fridge, now two days later, assuming its still good, >need to cook up now before more time goes by. Would you toss it or use >it? Can you tell by odor alone if its ok? Can we say ewwwww? If the chicken was frozen to start with then it'd still be nice and cold and fine to use. But if it was fresh then it got seriously overheated. Cars are like very big ovens and they get much hotter than the surrounding air, so there's no telling how warm the chicken got in that length of time. I wouldn't risk it... but I err on the side of caution with meat because I'm rather paranoid about germs. (huggles) ~Karen AKA Kajikit Nobody outstubborns a cat... Visit my webpage: http://www.kajikitscorner.com Allergyfree Eating Recipe Swap: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Allergyfree_Eating Ample Aussies Mailing List: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ampleaussies/ |
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Sqwertz <sqwertz@CLUELESS> writes:
> >If you have a cat, they know when something is safe or not. Safe for a cat, you ****ing dumb piece of sjit. Cats have a far more developed immune system for raw meat pathogens then do humans. But then again, Sqwertz is a pussy, and an IDIOT! ---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- Sheldon ```````````` "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:08:15 -0800, Robin > wrote:
>I purchased chicken thighs at Costco, and wasn't able to get home for >about 4-5 hours. It sat in the car, local temps are about 60-65 degrees. >Got it home, put in fridge, now two days later, assuming its still good, >need to cook up now before more time goes by. Would you toss it or use >it? Can you tell by odor alone if its ok? Inside the car, it was probably a good deal warmer than 60-65F. And the chicken has had a couple of days at 'fridge temperature for bacteria to flourish (remember, a refrigerator isn't a time capsule). I'd definitely toss them. OTOH, I might have felt safe cooking the chicken as soon as I got home. For self, not guests, as another poster has mentioned. |
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Frogleg croaks:
> >I might have felt safe cooking the chicken as soon >as I got home. >For self, not guests, as another poster has mentioned. Yoose ain't much into self worth, low self esteem, eh? And why can't you write proper sentences, is not English your native tongue. You write in broken English, like an uneducated WOP, same as that ****tory dummy. ---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- Sheldon ```````````` "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." |
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Robin > wrote:
> I purchased chicken thighs at Costco, and wasn't able to get home for > about 4-5 hours. It sat in the car, local temps are about 60-65 degrees. > Got it home, put in fridge, now two days later, assuming its still good, > need to cook up now before more time goes by. Would you toss it or use > it? Can you tell by odor alone if its ok? It should be okay. Smell the chicken. If it went bad, you can sometimes, but not always detect it by smell. Be sure to cook the chicken thoroughly. If you're still in doubt, do not use the chicken. Next time, do your grocery shopping as your last errand before you head home so you do not have to worry about such concerns. |
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"Robin" > wrote in message ... > I purchased chicken thighs at Costco, and wasn't able to get home for > about 4-5 hours. It sat in the car, local temps are about 60-65 degrees. > Got it home, put in fridge, now two days later, assuming its still good, > need to cook up now before more time goes by. Would you toss it or use > it? Can you tell by odor alone if its ok? > You should toss it. Why? Because you don't seem to know enough about food contamination to judge whether or not the meat was exposed to too high a temperature for too long or not. You cannot tell by whether food is contaminated by smell, taste, or appearance, short of a microscope and the training to identify pathogens. Spoilage is not the same thing as contamination. Food can be spoiled and safe to eat. Food can seem completely fresh and yet kill you due to contamination. Something that's spoiled may also be contaminated. Spoilage can be useful to determine whether food may be unsafe to eat, but the lack of spoilage does NOT indicate that food IS safe to eat. People who get ill or die from food poisoning usually have no indication that the food they ate was contaminated. This is why proper food handling is required throughout the entire process prior to consumption. |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 05:14:10 -0500, "Saerah Bennett"
<anisaerah@worldlinkisp.****spamcom****spam> wrote: > >Katra wrote in message >... >>Uh, chooks are chickens... :-) >>That is what I suggested she feed them to. >> >>Chickens eat maggots and carrion, etc. It's VERY hard to poison them >>with spoiled food! LOL! >> > >um, isnt it kind of, well, wrong to feed chicken to chickens? >or something. LOL Well, maybe.... OTOH, I knew an African Gray parrot who loved Mrs. Winner's fried chicken. She lived in our office and frequently got bits of whatever people were eating for lunch that day; if you didn't let her taste, she drove you crazy sighing heavily every time you took a bite and begging. It's one thing to be able to ignore those sad eyes your dog makes; it's quite another to ignore a critter that says, "Give me a bite please, sweetheart" when she wants something. <g> I can still see her sitting on her perch, gnawing with obvious relish on a drumstick she had clutched in her foot. :-) Regards, Tracy R. |
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Robin wrote:
> > I purchased chicken thighs at Costco, and wasn't able to get home for > about 4-5 hours. It sat in the car, local temps are about 60-65 degrees. > Got it home, put in fridge, now two days later, assuming its still good, > need to cook up now before more time goes by. Would you toss it or use > it? Can you tell by odor alone if its ok? Next time you're in a situation like that, bring a cooler of ice in your car. Just a suggestion. Or even just pick up one of those cheapo styrofoam coolers and a bag of ice. You won't have to worry, then. My personal feeling is that, if I was concerned, the chicken wouldn't taste good to me anyway, so why bother. nancy |
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Robin wrote:
> I purchased chicken thighs at Costco, and wasn't able to get home for > about 4-5 hours. It sat in the car, local temps are about 60-65 degrees. > Got it home, put in fridge, now two days later, assuming its still good, > need to cook up now before more time goes by. Would you toss it or use > it? Can you tell by odor alone if its ok? Odor isn't a reliable indicator. I'd cook them and enjoy the wonderful bounty of our industrialized agriculture system. Cooking them will kill everything on them. You might even want to brine them for an hour or two with salt, a smidge of sugar, garlic powder and maybe a grating of black pepper. The salt will minimize and off-smells and the brining will make them more moist, bigger coming out of the cooking pan and tastier. As a general rule, you probably ought to cook chicken within a day of buying it for best flavor and smell. Pastorio |
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Jack Schidt® wrote:
> Amen. I bend the rules when it's just cooking for me. Especially rule F, > as in 'fff-ffff', for when something hits the floor. Try sharing counter space with a 90lb Doberman who has free roam of the house... Turn 90 deg. - back around again and your chickens gone... ziplock bag and all... It's more like 'fff-fff' <growl> *SMACK* <yelp> ~john! -- Say hello to the rug's topography...It holds quite a lot of interest with your face down on it... |
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In article >,
Robin > wrote: > I purchased chicken thighs at Costco, and wasn't able to get home for > about 4-5 hours. It sat in the car, local temps are about 60-65 degrees. > Got it home, put in fridge, now two days later, assuming its still good, > need to cook up now before more time goes by. Would you toss it or use > it? Can you tell by odor alone if its ok? Toss it. According to the US Department of Agricultu "Pathogenic bacteria do not generally affect the taste, smell, or appearance of a food. In other words, one cannot tell that a food has been mishandled or is dangerous to eat. For example, food that has been left too long on the counter may be dangerous to eat, but could smell and look fine. If a food has been left in the "Danger Zone" * between 40 and 140 ° F * for more than 2 hours, discard it, even though it may look and smell good. Never taste a food to see if it is spoiled." <http://www.fsis.usda.gov/OA/FAQ/hotlinefaq.htm#6> -- to respond, change "spamless.invalid" with "optonline.net" please mail OT responses only |
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Robin wrote:
> >I purchased chicken thighs at Costco, and wasn't able to get home for >about 4-5 hours. It sat in the car, local temps are about 60-65 degrees. >Got it home, put in fridge, now two days later, assuming its still good, >need to cook up now before more time goes by. Would you toss it or use >it? Over $3 worth of fercocktah chicken you are actually considering you'd rather risk spending the next twenty four hours hugging a toilet bowl, puking your guts and shitting your intestines into granny knots... you mentally ill M O R O N ! ! ! ---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- Sheldon ```````````` "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." |
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Saerah Bennett wrote: > > Katra wrote in message >... > >Uh, chooks are chickens... :-) > >That is what I suggested she feed them to. > > > >Chickens eat maggots and carrion, etc. It's VERY hard to poison them > >with spoiled food! LOL! > > > > um, isnt it kind of, well, wrong to feed chicken to chickens? > or something. > > -- > Saerah > Not really. :-) Chickens will eat anything... Little cannabals they are! I use them for garbage disposals..... K. -- >^,,^< Cats-haven Hobby Farm >^,,^< >^,,^< "There are millions of intelligent species in the universe, and they are all owned by cats" -- Asimov Custom handcrafts, Sterling silver beaded jewelry http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...s&userid=Katra |
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"Jack Schidt®" wrote: > > "Reg" > wrote in message > . com... > > Katra wrote: > > > > > Personally, if they still smelled ok, I'd cook them up for the chooks. > > > > Odor isn't a reliable indicator for pathogens, so you shouldn't depend > > on it. > > > > If this were me: I would definetely not serve them to guests. I'd probably > > eat them myself though, because they're fine in all likelihood. > > > > I see it this way... it's one thing to take a risk for myself, even if > it's > > small. It's quite another thing to involve others. > > > > Amen. I bend the rules when it's just cooking for me. Especially rule F, > as in 'fff-ffff', for when something hits the floor. > > Jack San-i-terry I repeat. Chooks is Australian slang for chicken. I ain't feedin' spoiled chook to humans..... ;-D K. -- >^,,^< Cats-haven Hobby Farm >^,,^< >^,,^< "There are millions of intelligent species in the universe, and they are all owned by cats" -- Asimov Custom handcrafts, Sterling silver beaded jewelry http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...s&userid=Katra |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:56:33 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote: >Robin wrote: >> >> I purchased chicken thighs at Costco, and wasn't able to get home for >> about 4-5 hours. It sat in the car, local temps are about 60-65 degrees. >My personal feeling is that, if I was concerned, the chicken wouldn't >taste good to me anyway, so why bother. "When in doubt, throw it out" is *such* a good guideline. Even to know enough to ask the question implies one knows the meat's safety/taste may be compromised. UDSA/FDA/other recommendations may err on the cautious side, but I don't want to cook a dish and wonder, start to finish, while eating, and when waking the next day if I should make sure I'm able to dial 911 in the middle of stomach cramps. Much less that my name is going to be in the paper as host of a Ptomaine Picnic. |
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ravinwulf wrote: > > On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 05:14:10 -0500, "Saerah Bennett" > <anisaerah@worldlinkisp.****spamcom****spam> wrote: > > > > >Katra wrote in message >... > >>Uh, chooks are chickens... :-) > >>That is what I suggested she feed them to. > >> > >>Chickens eat maggots and carrion, etc. It's VERY hard to poison them > >>with spoiled food! LOL! > >> > > > >um, isnt it kind of, well, wrong to feed chicken to chickens? > >or something. > > LOL Well, maybe.... > > OTOH, I knew an African Gray parrot who loved Mrs. Winner's fried > chicken. She lived in our office and frequently got bits of whatever > people were eating for lunch that day; if you didn't let her taste, > she drove you crazy sighing heavily every time you took a bite and > begging. It's one thing to be able to ignore those sad eyes your dog > makes; it's quite another to ignore a critter that says, "Give me a > bite please, sweetheart" when she wants something. <g> I can still see > her sitting on her perch, gnawing with obvious relish on a drumstick > she had clutched in her foot. :-) > > Regards, > Tracy R. ROFL!!! Birds are so funny... and they seem to LOVE fried chicken bones! I've been giving more of those to Freya lately to get her more calcium. She is a Goffin's cockatoo. And yes, she begs. <G> K. -- >^,,^< Cats-haven Hobby Farm >^,,^< >^,,^< "There are millions of intelligent species in the universe, and they are all owned by cats" -- Asimov Custom handcrafts, Sterling silver beaded jewelry http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...s&userid=Katra |
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"PENMART01" > wrote in message ... snip > > Over $3 worth of fercocktah chicken you are actually considering you'd rather > risk spending the next twenty four hours hugging a toilet bowl, puking your > guts and shitting your intestines into granny knots... you mentally ill M O R O > N ! ! ! > ---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =--- > ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- > Sheldon This is the one, true, to-the-point answer. Janet |
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PENMART01 wrote: > > Robin wrote: > > > >I purchased chicken thighs at Costco, and wasn't able to get home for > >about 4-5 hours. It sat in the car, local temps are about 60-65 degrees. > >Got it home, put in fridge, now two days later, assuming its still good, > >need to cook up now before more time goes by. Would you toss it or use > >it? > > Over $3 worth of fercocktah chicken you are actually considering you'd rather > risk spending the next twenty four hours hugging a toilet bowl, puking your > guts and shitting your intestines into granny knots... you mentally ill M O R O > N ! ! ! > Sheldon > ```````````` He has a point... ;-) Why risk it? That's why I said cook it up and feed it to the chickens! K. -- >^,,^< Cats-haven Hobby Farm >^,,^< >^,,^< "There are millions of intelligent species in the universe, and they are all owned by cats" -- Asimov Custom handcrafts, Sterling silver beaded jewelry http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...s&userid=Katra |
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Robin wrote:
> Would you toss it or use it? When in doubt, throw it out. Especially if you are not experienced or educated in food sanitation and safety. > Can you tell by odor alone if its ok? No. If it smells bad it *is* bad, but if it smells good, it might still be bad. Salmonella is odorless ;-) -- John Gaughan http://www.johngaughan.net/ |
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John Gaughan wrote: > > Robin wrote: > > Would you toss it or use it? > > When in doubt, throw it out. Especially if you are not experienced or > educated in food sanitation and safety. > > > Can you tell by odor alone if its ok? > > No. If it smells bad it *is* bad, but if it smells good, it might still > be bad. Salmonella is odorless ;-) > > -- > John Gaughan John is SO correct on that one! :-P I learned it the hard way... Ate a questionable (raw) egg that smelled and tasted fine. I like steak Tartar..... After 3 days of severe gastroenteritis, I finally went to the ER to get help. Salmonella. :-P OTOH, the IV Demerol dose almost made it worth it all... <G> K. -- >^,,^< Cats-haven Hobby Farm >^,,^< >^,,^< "There are millions of intelligent species in the universe, and they are all owned by cats" -- Asimov Custom handcrafts, Sterling silver beaded jewelry http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...s&userid=Katra |
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<sqwertz@clueless> writes:
>(PENMART01) wrote: > >>And why can't you write proper sentances, is not >>English your native tongue.'?' > >Speaking of proper sentances... you dolt. There's nothing wrong wth that sentance structure, but yours is a friggin' fragment, like your meager brain. Btw, anyone checks they'll discover I rarely use question marks, only when I actually want an answer, usually from someone deserving of having discourse, not you, sqwertz... buh'bye. ---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- Sheldon ```````````` "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." |
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On 15 Dec 2003 21:09:37 GMT, (PENMART01) wrote:
>sentance structure ^ ? "e" HTH, -- Kenneth If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS." |
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On 15 Dec 2003 21:09:37 GMT, (PENMART01) wrote:
>sentance structure ^ ? "e" HTH, -- Kenneth If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS." |
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In article >, Ed
<Loparko****ingMoroon> writes: > (PENMART01) wrote: > >>sentance structure > ^ > ? > "e" Spelling is not sentence structure, you moroon. http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dicti...ence+structure WordNet Dictionary Definition: [n] the grammatical arrangement of words in sentences --- ---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- Sheldon ```````````` "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." |
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Ed wrote:
> > On 15 Dec 2003 22:15:34 GMT, (PENMART01) wrote: > > >Spelling is not sentence structure, you moroon. > ^ > ? > > HTH, > -- > Kenneth (laugh) I have no idea what you two are arguing about, but moroon is classic Bugs Bunny. nancy |
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How long can uncooked chicken sit outside fridge before goingbad?
Scott wrote:
> In article >, > Robin > wrote: >=20 >>I purchased chicken thighs at Costco, and wasn't able to get home for=20 >>about 4-5 hours. It sat in the car, local temps are about 60-65 degrees= =2E =20 >>Got it home, put in fridge, now two days later, assuming its still good= , =20 >>need to cook up now before more time goes by. Would you toss it or use= =20 >>it? Can you tell by odor alone if its ok? >=20 > Toss it. According to the US Department of Agricultu >=20 > "Pathogenic bacteria do not generally affect the taste, smell, or=20 > appearance of a food. In other words, one cannot tell that a food has=20 > been mishandled or is dangerous to eat. For example, food that has been= =20 > left too long on the counter may be dangerous to eat, but could smell=20 > and look fine. If a food has been left in the "Danger Zone" =AD between= 40=20 > and 140 =B0 F =AD for more than 2 hours, discard it, even though it may= look=20 > and smell good. Never taste a food to see if it is spoiled." >=20 > <http://www.fsis.usda.gov/OA/FAQ/hotlinefaq.htm#6> Never taste *raw* chicken to see if it's spoiled. Never taste a food=20 *from the counter* to see. Never leave food on the counter for a few=20 hours and *then pick it up and eat it* without cooking it or heating=20 it to a safe temperature. The meat didn't instantly leap from 25F to 65F. It would take the=20 better part of a few hours to get up to those temperatures if it were=20 just sitting out. In a sealed package with a plastic wrapper over a=20 styrofoam tray, with the meat pressed together as Costco does it, the=20 temperature wouldn't rise appreciably for quite a while. It's packaged=20 that way just for that eventuality. Some science that flies in the face of "common sense": <http://www.hi-tm.com/Documents2001/time-temp-calculations.html> Here's the bacterial growth curves for cooked foods. <http://www.hi-tm.com/Documents2001/time-temp-calculations.html> Cooking it will kill salmonella and anything else it may contain. By=20 the time it reaches 165F internal, it's virtually sterile. Spoilage=20 and pathogenic bacteria alike will be killed. Pastorio |
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How long can uncooked chicken sit outside fridge before going bad?
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:51:13 -0500, Bob Pastorio >
wrote: >Scott wrote: > >> Robin > wrote: >> >>>I purchased chicken thighs at Costco, and wasn't able to get home for >>>about 4-5 hours. It sat in the car, local temps are about 60-65 degrees. >>>Got it home, put in fridge, now two days later, assuming its still good, >>>need to cook up now before more time goes by. Would you toss it or use >>>it? Can you tell by odor alone if its ok? >> >> Toss it. According to the US Department of Agricultu <snip quote> >> <http://www.fsis.usda.gov/OA/FAQ/hotlinefaq.htm#6> > >The meat didn't instantly leap from 25F to 65F. It would take the >better part of a few hours to get up to those temperatures if it were >just sitting out. In a sealed package with a plastic wrapper over a >styrofoam tray, with the meat pressed together as Costco does it, the >temperature wouldn't rise appreciably for quite a while. It's packaged >that way just for that eventuality. Did we ever learn if the chicken was originally frozen or just in a refrigerator case? I think those are supposed to be around 40F. 5 hrs in a car (where it would probably be a good deal warmer than the ambient 60-65F mentioned) would be plenty of time to make *me* suspicious. > >Some science that flies in the face of "common sense": ><http://www.hi-tm.com/Documents2001/time-temp-calculations.html> This is for cooked food, presumably starting out with 1 itty bitty bacteria, not for raw chicken. Since a startling percentage of chicken sold in the US has an appreciable amount of Salmonella bacteria to start out with, the 'safe' time at various temperatures on this chart has no practical relevance. > >Here's the bacterial growth curves for cooked foods. ><http://www.hi-tm.com/Documents2001/time-temp-calculations.html> (same chart) |
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How long can uncooked chicken sit outside fridge before going bad?
Frogleg > wrote in message >. ..
> "When in doubt, throw it out" is *such* a good guideline. Even to know > enough to ask the question implies one knows the meat's safety/taste > may be compromised. UDSA/FDA/other recommendations may err on the > cautious side, but I don't want to cook a dish and wonder, start to > finish, while eating, and when waking the next day if I should make > sure I'm able to dial 911 in the middle of stomach cramps. Much less > that my name is going to be in the paper as host of a Ptomaine Picnic. I use this guideline. My husband makes fun of me and my paranoia, as he thinks I throw out food that is perfectly fine. However, before he met me, he used to get 'the stomach flu' at least twice a year. Mysteriously, in the seven years we've been together he hasn't had it once. He's probably right that I do sometimes throw away food that's fine, but I'd rather toss dubious food than toss my cookies! Beth |
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How long can uncooked chicken sit outside fridge before going bad?
Elizabeth Reid wrote: > > Frogleg > wrote in message >. .. > > > "When in doubt, throw it out" is *such* a good guideline. Even to know > > enough to ask the question implies one knows the meat's safety/taste > > may be compromised. UDSA/FDA/other recommendations may err on the > > cautious side, but I don't want to cook a dish and wonder, start to > > finish, while eating, and when waking the next day if I should make > > sure I'm able to dial 911 in the middle of stomach cramps. Much less > > that my name is going to be in the paper as host of a Ptomaine Picnic. > > I use this guideline. My husband makes fun of me and my > paranoia, as he thinks I throw out food that is perfectly fine. > However, before he met me, he used to get 'the stomach flu' > at least twice a year. Mysteriously, in the seven years we've > been together he hasn't had it once. He's probably right > that I do sometimes throw away food that's fine, but I'd > rather toss dubious food than toss my cookies! > > Beth It's also more economical... :-) Tossing $10.00 worth of food vs. a $600.00 ER bill? You do the math. <G> I have insurance so ER only runs me $75.00 co-pay, but still.... K. -- >^,,^< Cats-haven Hobby Farm >^,,^< >^,,^< "There are millions of intelligent species in the universe, and they are all owned by cats" -- Asimov Custom handcrafts, Sterling silver beaded jewelry http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...s&userid=Katra |
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