On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Richard Periut wrote:

Lena B Katz wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Richard Periut wrote:


LIMEYNO1 wrote:

"Richard Periut" wrote in message
...


LIMEYNO1 wrote:


Seems to me it's a no win situation. The americans would gain a lot

more


homeless people and the Canadians would lose their great health care.


Great health care? Where you have to wait months, sometimes years, for
elective surgery? Even those that are in pain and are suffering.

Give me a break!



As opposed to? No health care?



As opposed to what we have. If you are poor, you get it free (medicaid,
et cetera.) And don't give me that crap that they are neglected. There
are as many malpractice cases with medicaid, as there are with medicare,
et cetera.)

If you are rich, it's moot to talk further.

If you are middle class: sure, they bitch about paying into their health
care, but they want to drive BMW's and go an Carnival cruises twice a year.


Listen, you mother****er, I'm poor. and when I say poor, I mean dirt poor,
making under 10K a year. I don't get no stinking medicaid. I don't get
no stinking medicare... and most of the people I know don't get none
either.

Lena

proud, poor Americorps member

go to hell, I've served for my country, have you?

No need to express your scatological comments; it just shows your category.

.... my category? My Dad once told me, "A girl can do anything a boy can
do." I swear to remind me of that.

If you would like some scatalogical commentary, I might oblige, but I
think the rest of the newsgroup would prefer I didn't.

and... exactly when did you learn what scatalogical meant?

The main problem with medical insurance is coverage for catastrophic
events. You get admitted with a massive MI to a coronary unit, will get
an open heart surgery, and be released; and you'll pay zero, nada,
zilch. It's called an administrative admission.

the main problem with medical insurance is that they're going out of
business.

That happens to me, and they'll be going after my property like no
tomorrow.

same here.

Plus, if you are so poor, PA has programs to help you out.

ah! but the trick is finding them... and ones that don't ask too much
about how much savings you have.

BTW, what do you do at Carnegie Mellon in which you get paid so little?
Just curious...

oh, i'm not at CMU anymore. I'm an Americorps member... full time
service!

Lena

ravinwulf wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:27:22 GMT, Richard Periut

You work in this field; what do you think is the solution? I'm really
curious; I'm certainly open to a better suggestion than the one I'm
currently leaning toward, if only because I know it's far from
perfect. At the moment, I don't see any real fix short of some form of
socialized medicine, errr, major government intervention. But then,
that's what Canada has, isn't it? I realize that there have been
problems implementing socialized medicine in other countries, and I'm
old enough to know that involving the government is usually a
sure-fire way to screw a situation up beyond repair. But as
corporations downsize and try to cut costs in an increasingly shaky
economy, there are more and more working people who either have no
health insurance, or have inadequate coverage. We also have a huge
aging population (with the greater need for medical services the
elderly require, of course) and a comparatively much smaller younger
population whose premiums will most likely go through the roof as they
are essentially forced to subsidize the medical needs of the aging
baby boomers. From my point of view, this looks like a situation that
will get worse and worse unless the Ghosts of Christmas Past, Present
and Future visit some HMO execs in a few days -- but, honestly, I
don't see that happening -- or Uncle Sam steps in and forces a change
in the way health insurance and medical care is handled.

Regards,
Tracy R.

The problem is rather complex and multifactorial. It should be attacked
at various angles.


The US can provide quality health care to everyone, providing it makes
modifications:

1-Health care should not be such a profitable business; there should be
caps on what insurance companies (Large Businesses) make. Most
physicians (small businesses )work hard (with the exception of very big
wigs which have made a name for themselves,) to earn what they earn.
Therefore, government should rigidly control medical insurance. These
companies don't design any therapies or medications, so they don't need
incentives to operate.

2-People should wake up to the fact, that when their family members have
lost all faculties, and are bed bound, they should not be put on life
support. These patients consume an enormous amount of money, and they
are not aware of their surroundings, and possibly/probably feeling pain
and discomfort. I would never want that upon me or any of my family
members. Matter of fact, I don't want life support unless I have a
prognosis. I want to die with dignity, and not have a tube in just about
every orifice of my body. Our society should do the same.

3-Pharmaceutical and medical device companies should be allowed to
profit, but again, not over do it. Otherwise, there is no incentive to
design new drugs. The government should support emerging pharmaceutical
companies in order to promote competition, and drive the prices of
medications down. Patents should only be allowed for a few years only.

4-Finally, the government should become very strict, in dealing with
medical and hospital fraud. There is an enormous amount of money being
paid to physicians because of fraud. Example, Dr. X has an office;
patient Mr. Y comes to him because of back pain. Dr. X bills for the
visit, plus decides it's time to do an EKG, an echo, a bone density
study, some PFT's, and maybe some allergy tests or blood work. What
normally should of been a 45 dollar follow up, has turned into a 800
dollar profit. It's unbelievable that Medicare does very little about
this, and it's a HUGE waste of our money. The latest thing is
obstructive sleep apnea (OSA,) there are labs popping up all over the
place. The kick backs are disgusting. All they do is get the patient to
mention any little symptom perhaps related to OSA (morning headache, not
getting enough sleep, daytime sleepiness, snoring, et cetera.) I mean,
if you see 10 people, how many of these is going to mention one of
these? Probably all.

So you see, it all boils down to government. If we pay these crooks
money, to govern properly, then that's what they should do.

Anyway, since this NG is about food, let me insert a recipe I made the
other day:

It was excellent!

http://www.epicurious.com/run/recipe/view?id=108851

Richard




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Lena B Katz wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Richard Periut wrote:


Lena B Katz wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Richard Periut wrote:



LIMEYNO1 wrote:


"Richard Periut" wrote in message
...



LIMEYNO1 wrote:



Seems to me it's a no win situation. The americans would gain a lot

more



homeless people and the Canadians would lose their great health care.


Great health care? Where you have to wait months, sometimes years, for
elective surgery? Even those that are in pain and are suffering.

Give me a break!



As opposed to? No health care?



As opposed to what we have. If you are poor, you get it free (medicaid,
et cetera.) And don't give me that crap that they are neglected. There
are as many malpractice cases with medicaid, as there are with medicare,
et cetera.)

If you are rich, it's moot to talk further.

If you are middle class: sure, they bitch about paying into their health
care, but they want to drive BMW's and go an Carnival cruises twice a year.


Listen, you mother****er, I'm poor. and when I say poor, I mean dirt poor,
making under 10K a year. I don't get no stinking medicaid. I don't get
no stinking medicare... and most of the people I know don't get none
either.

Lena

proud, poor Americorps member

go to hell, I've served for my country, have you?

No need to express your scatological comments; it just shows your category.


... my category? My Dad once told me, "A girl can do anything a boy can
do." I swear to remind me of that.


Really? It would be interesting to see you take your peni... Never mind,
I'm not going there. ; )


If you would like some scatalogical commentary, I might oblige, but I
think the rest of the newsgroup would prefer I didn't.


and... exactly when did you learn what scatalogical meant?

Probably in H.S., but it could of been in grammar school as well. Along
with learning the meaning of that word, I was well versed at many of the
scatological words; doesn't mean I have to use them in my daily speech.



The main problem with medical insurance is coverage for catastrophic
events. You get admitted with a massive MI to a coronary unit, will get
an open heart surgery, and be released; and you'll pay zero, nada,
zilch. It's called an administrative admission.


the main problem with medical insurance is that they're going out of
business.


Of course, with CEO's and their cronies reaping in millions, while
government does nothing about it.


That happens to me, and they'll be going after my property like no
tomorrow.


same here.


But you are dirt poor? No? What are they going to take?


Plus, if you are so poor, PA has programs to help you out.


ah! but the trick is finding them... and ones that don't ask too much
about how much savings you have.

But you are dirt poor? No? What savings are YOU talking about.



BTW, what do you do at Carnegie Mellon in which you get paid so little?
Just curious...


oh, i'm not at CMU anymore. I'm an Americorps member... full time
service!

Lena

Sure is nice of them to allow you to use their email server.

Happy Holidays!

Richard




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On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Richard Periut wrote:

Lena B Katz wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Richard Periut wrote:


Lena B Katz wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Richard Periut wrote:



LIMEYNO1 wrote:


"Richard Periut" wrote in message
...



LIMEYNO1 wrote:



Seems to me it's a no win situation. The americans would gain a lot

more



homeless people and the Canadians would lose their great health care.


Great health care? Where you have to wait months, sometimes years, for
elective surgery? Even those that are in pain and are suffering.

Give me a break!



As opposed to? No health care?



As opposed to what we have. If you are poor, you get it free (medicaid,
et cetera.) And don't give me that crap that they are neglected. There
are as many malpractice cases with medicaid, as there are with medicare,
et cetera.)

If you are rich, it's moot to talk further.

If you are middle class: sure, they bitch about paying into their health
care, but they want to drive BMW's and go an Carnival cruises twice a year.


Listen, you mother****er, I'm poor. and when I say poor, I mean dirt poor,
making under 10K a year. I don't get no stinking medicaid. I don't get
no stinking medicare... and most of the people I know don't get none
either.

Lena

proud, poor Americorps member

go to hell, I've served for my country, have you?

No need to express your scatological comments; it just shows your category.


... my category? My Dad once told me, "A girl can do anything a boy can
do." I swear to remind me of that.


Really? It would be interesting to see you take your peni... Never mind,
I'm not going there. ; )

grin thank you.

If you would like some scatalogical commentary, I might oblige, but I
think the rest of the newsgroup would prefer I didn't.


and... exactly when did you learn what scatalogical meant?

Probably in H.S., but it could of been in grammar school as well. Along
with learning the meaning of that word, I was well versed at many of the
scatological words; doesn't mean I have to use them in my daily speech.

then you maybe ought to look up the meaning of the word again... it might
be a little different from what you're expecting. I certainly wasn't
using any scatalogical references, in what I said. Impolite language,
perhaps, a jargon you may not be used to, almost certainly, but not
scatalogical commentary.

The main problem with medical insurance is coverage for catastrophic
events. You get admitted with a massive MI to a coronary unit, will get
an open heart surgery, and be released; and you'll pay zero, nada,
zilch. It's called an administrative admission.


the main problem with medical insurance is that they're going out of
business.


Of course, with CEO's and their cronies reaping in millions, while
government does nothing about it.

they can't even afford the preventitive medicine that would save them tons
of money in the first place. CEO's get paid that much for a reason...
investors know how much money the company is making, not the CEO.

That happens to me, and they'll be going after my property like no
tomorrow.


same here.


But you are dirt poor? No? What are they going to take?

whatever they can find. while it won't be much... they'll still take it.

Plus, if you are so poor, PA has programs to help you out.


ah! but the trick is finding them... and ones that don't ask too much
about how much savings you have.

But you are dirt poor? No? What savings are YOU talking about.

dirt poor==not earning much. earning below poverty line. have savings,
don't want to rely on them. living inside my means is rather more
difficult than it might be for other people.

BTW, what do you do at Carnegie Mellon in which you get paid so little?
Just curious...


oh, i'm not at CMU anymore. I'm an Americorps member... full time
service!

Lena

Sure is nice of them to allow you to use their email server.

yeah, ain't it fun to be a college grad?

Lena

Richard Periut wrote:

Lena B Katz wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Richard Periut wrote:


Lena B Katz wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Richard Periut wrote:



LIMEYNO1 wrote:


"Richard Periut" wrote in message
...



LIMEYNO1 wrote:



Seems to me it's a no win situation. The americans would gain a lot

more



homeless people and the Canadians would lose their great health care.


Great health care? Where you have to wait months, sometimes years, for
elective surgery? Even those that are in pain and are suffering.

Give me a break!



As opposed to? No health care?



As opposed to what we have. If you are poor, you get it free (medicaid,
et cetera.) And don't give me that crap that they are neglected. There
are as many malpractice cases with medicaid, as there are with medicare,
et cetera.)

If you are rich, it's moot to talk further.

If you are middle class: sure, they bitch about paying into their health
care, but they want to drive BMW's and go an Carnival cruises twice a year.


Listen, you mother****er, I'm poor. and when I say poor, I mean dirt poor,
making under 10K a year. I don't get no stinking medicaid. I don't get
no stinking medicare... and most of the people I know don't get none
either.

Lena

proud, poor Americorps member

go to hell, I've served for my country, have you?

No need to express your scatological comments; it just shows your category.


... my category? My Dad once told me, "A girl can do anything a boy can
do." I swear to remind me of that.

Really? It would be interesting to see you take your peni... Never mind,
I'm not going there. ; )


If you would like some scatalogical commentary, I might oblige, but I
think the rest of the newsgroup would prefer I didn't.


and... exactly when did you learn what scatalogical meant?

Probably in H.S., but it could of been in grammar school as well. Along
with learning the meaning of that word, I was well versed at many of the
scatological words; doesn't mean I have to use them in my daily speech.


"Profanity is the crutch of inarticulate *******s" Winston Churchill

Lena B Katz wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Richard Periut wrote:


Lena B Katz wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Richard Periut wrote:



Lena B Katz wrote:


On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Richard Periut wrote:




LIMEYNO1 wrote:



"Richard Periut" wrote in message
...




LIMEYNO1 wrote:




Seems to me it's a no win situation. The americans would gain a lot

more




homeless people and the Canadians would lose their great health care.


Great health care? Where you have to wait months, sometimes years, for
elective surgery? Even those that are in pain and are suffering.

Give me a break!



As opposed to? No health care?



As opposed to what we have. If you are poor, you get it free (medicaid,
et cetera.) And don't give me that crap that they are neglected. There
are as many malpractice cases with medicaid, as there are with medicare,
et cetera.)

If you are rich, it's moot to talk further.

If you are middle class: sure, they bitch about paying into their health
care, but they want to drive BMW's and go an Carnival cruises twice a year.


Listen, you mother****er, I'm poor. and when I say poor, I mean dirt poor,
making under 10K a year. I don't get no stinking medicaid. I don't get
no stinking medicare... and most of the people I know don't get none
either.

Lena

proud, poor Americorps member

go to hell, I've served for my country, have you?

No need to express your scatological comments; it just shows your category.


... my category? My Dad once told me, "A girl can do anything a boy can
do." I swear to remind me of that.


Really? It would be interesting to see you take your peni... Never mind,
I'm not going there. ; )


grin thank you.


If you would like some scatalogical commentary, I might oblige, but I
think the rest of the newsgroup would prefer I didn't.

and... exactly when did you learn what scatalogical meant?

Probably in H.S., but it could of been in grammar school as well. Along
with learning the meaning of that word, I was well versed at many of the
scatological words; doesn't mean I have to use them in my daily speech.


then you maybe ought to look up the meaning of the word again... it might
be a little different from what you're expecting. I certainly wasn't
using any scatalogical references, in what I said. Impolite language,
perhaps, a jargon you may not be used to, almost certainly, but not
scatalogical commentary.

Main Entry: sca·tol·o·gy
Pronunciation: ska-'tä-l&-jE, sk&-
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek skat-, skOr excrement; akin to Old English scearn dung,
Latin muscerdae mouse droppings
Date: 1876
1 : interest in or treatment of obscene matters especially in literature
2 : the biologically oriented study of excrement (as for taxonomic
purposes or for the determination of diet)
- scat·o·log·i·cal /"ska-t&l-'ä-ji-k&l/ adjective

© 2003 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated
Merriam-Webster Privacy Policy


Can you please explain to me how "Mother****er" does not apply to entry 1 ?








The main problem with medical insurance is coverage for catastrophic
events. You get admitted with a massive MI to a coronary unit, will get
an open heart surgery, and be released; and you'll pay zero, nada,
zilch. It's called an administrative admission.


the main problem with medical insurance is that they're going out of
business.


Of course, with CEO's and their cronies reaping in millions, while
government does nothing about it.


they can't even afford the preventitive medicine that would save them tons
of money in the first place. CEO's get paid that much for a reason...
investors know how much money the company is making, not the CEO.


That happens to me, and they'll be going after my property like no
tomorrow.


same here.


But you are dirt poor? No? What are they going to take?


whatever they can find. while it won't be much... they'll still take it.


Plus, if you are so poor, PA has programs to help you out.


ah! but the trick is finding them... and ones that don't ask too much
about how much savings you have.

But you are dirt poor? No? What savings are YOU talking about.


dirt poor==not earning much. earning below poverty line. have savings,
don't want to rely on them. living inside my means is rather more
difficult than it might be for other people.


BTW, what do you do at Carnegie Mellon in which you get paid so little?
Just curious...


oh, i'm not at CMU anymore. I'm an Americorps member... full time
service!

Lena

Sure is nice of them to allow you to use their email server.


yeah, ain't it fun to be a college grad?

Lena



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Lena B Katz wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Ken Davey wrote:

Lena B Katz wrote:

go to hell, I've served for my country, have you?

What? Hamburgers?
You claim to be a vet? Why should you worry about healthcare when
you got the VA?

so sorry, sir, you lose again. I must apologize... I misphrased that
(I often forget that in america, people only think of military
service). I'm currently volunteering in Americorps, being paid less
than minimum wage, for dedicating a year of my life to serving
America.

Lena

There are many ways to serve a country. In the context of your (somewhat
belligerent) post my error was understandable.
I am a pensioner and as such get a mere fraction of 'minimum wage.

To get back on topic; My experience with the Canadian health care system
does not reflect the views or (experience?) of several other posters. Agreed
that the system is in need of overhaul but it does work. Two years ago,
while spending the winter in Honduras I needed emergency surgery (a seven
and a half hour procedure!). Upon my return to Canada I underwent several
follow-up examinations and procedures. The care I received in Honduras was
top quality and in Canada there was *no* delay or waiting for what had to be
done. The entire process cost me not a dime.
For this system I pay a monthly sum (small) and a portion of my taxes.
Overall, even accounting for the 'so-called inefficiencies in the system,
the per person average cost for healthcare on Canada is significantly less
than in the USA. Additionally *everyone* has access to it without regard to
ability to pay!
Were you serving *this* country you would not have any worries as to health
care.
You tell me, now you have heard my side of this debate, why you would feel
that your (USA) system is preferrable?

Regards.
Ken.

In article , Richard Periut
wrote:

Lena B Katz wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Richard Periut wrote:

Lena B Katz wrote:



Listen, you mother****er, I'm poor. and when I say poor, I mean
dirt poor,
making under 10K a year. I don't get no stinking medicaid. I don't get
no stinking medicare... and most of the people I know don't get none
either.

No need to express your scatological comments; it just shows your
category.

If you would like some scatalogical commentary, I might oblige, but I
think the rest of the newsgroup would prefer I didn't.

and... exactly when did you learn what scatalogical meant?

Probably in H.S., but it could of been in grammar school as well. Along
with learning the meaning of that word, I was well versed at many of the
scatological words; doesn't mean I have to use them in my daily speech.

then you maybe ought to look up the meaning of the word again... it might
be a little different from what you're expecting. I certainly wasn't
using any scatalogical references, in what I said. Impolite language,
perhaps, a jargon you may not be used to, almost certainly, but not
scatalogical commentary.

Main Entry: sca·tol·o·gy
Pronunciation: ska-'tä-l&-jE, sk&-
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek skat-, skOr excrement; akin to Old English scearn dung,
Latin muscerdae mouse droppings
Date: 1876
1 : interest in or treatment of obscene matters especially in literature
2 : the biologically oriented study of excrement (as for taxonomic
purposes or for the determination of diet)
- scat·o·log·i·cal /"ska-t&l-'ä-ji-k&l/ adjective


Can you please explain to me how "Mother****er" does not apply to entry 1 ?


Your dictionary is quite different than mine (American Heritage online):


sca€tol€o€gy (sk^-tÄl2ú-jT, skú-) n. pl. sca€tol€o€gies 1. The study of
fecal excrement, as in medicine, paleontology, or biology. 2. a. An
obsession with excrement or excretory functions. b. The psychiatric study
of such an obsession. 3. Obscene language or literature, especially that
dealing pruriently or humorously with excrement and excretory functions.


Every meaning in my dictionary refers to shit.


Actually, the scatological reference under my dictionary that Lena used
was the two uses of the word "stinking".


:-)


Obfood: You need to eat food in order to make shit.

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

Dan Abel wrote:
In article , Richard Periut
wrote:


Lena B Katz wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Richard Periut wrote:


Lena B Katz wrote:




Listen, you mother****er, I'm poor. and when I say poor, I mean

dirt poor,

making under 10K a year. I don't get no stinking medicaid. I don't get
no stinking medicare... and most of the people I know don't get none
either.


No need to express your scatological comments; it just shows your

category.


If you would like some scatalogical commentary, I might oblige, but I
think the rest of the newsgroup would prefer I didn't.

and... exactly when did you learn what scatalogical meant?

Probably in H.S., but it could of been in grammar school as well. Along
with learning the meaning of that word, I was well versed at many of the
scatological words; doesn't mean I have to use them in my daily speech.


then you maybe ought to look up the meaning of the word again... it might
be a little different from what you're expecting. I certainly wasn't
using any scatalogical references, in what I said. Impolite language,
perhaps, a jargon you may not be used to, almost certainly, but not
scatalogical commentary.

Main Entry: sca·tol·o·gy
Pronunciation: ska-'tä-l&-jE, sk&-
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek skat-, skOr excrement; akin to Old English scearn dung,
Latin muscerdae mouse droppings
Date: 1876
1 : interest in or treatment of obscene matters especially in literature
2 : the biologically oriented study of excrement (as for taxonomic
purposes or for the determination of diet)
- scat·o·log·i·cal /"ska-t&l-'ä-ji-k&l/ adjective



Can you please explain to me how "Mother****er" does not apply to entry 1 ?



Your dictionary is quite different than mine (American Heritage online):


sca€tol€o€gy (sk^-tÄl2ú-jT, skú-) n. pl. sca€tol€o€gies 1. The study of
fecal excrement, as in medicine, paleontology, or biology. 2. a. An
obsession with excrement or excretory functions. b. The psychiatric study
of such an obsession. 3. Obscene language or literature, especially that
dealing pruriently or humorously with excrement and excretory functions.


Every meaning in my dictionary refers to shit.


Actually, the scatological reference under my dictionary that Lena used
was the two uses of the word "stinking".


:-)


Obfood: You need to eat food in order to make shit.


Read # 3 out loud. It says especially, which means it can include foul
language other than the word shit.

R

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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:35:37 GMT, Richard Periut
wrote:



BTW, I don't see heads of states and other world leaders going to Canada
when they need a transplant, or cancer therapy. It's usually the USA,
where we lead the world in medical technology, and with the most
experienced physicians.

Richard

but it's unlikely the heads of states are paying out-of-pocket,
either.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:35:37 GMT, Richard Periut
wrote:



BTW, I don't see heads of states and other world leaders going to Canada
when they need a transplant, or cancer therapy. It's usually the USA,
where we lead the world in medical technology, and with the most
experienced physicians.

Richard

No, you don't hear about them going to Harley Street, either. But we know it
happens.

Not everyone is as careless with privacy as the Americans.

Dennis

Dennis G. wrote:
blake murphy wrote:


On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:35:37 GMT, Richard Periut
wrote:



BTW, I don't see heads of states and other world leaders going to Canada
when they need a transplant, or cancer therapy. It's usually the USA,
where we lead the world in medical technology, and with the most
experienced physicians.

Richard


No, you don't hear about them going to Harley Street, either. But we know it
happens.

Not everyone is as careless with privacy as the Americans.

Dennis

It's called hypocrisy; they denigrate the USA, but when they are
stricken with something serious, they come like lame pathetic creatures,
awaiting a cure/treatment.

Richard