WardNA wrote:

That's certainly not the common usage. Both are distilled from wine, but
cognac is distinguished by getting its character from the cask, brandy from the
grape.


I'd never heard that distinction before. To my knowledge (and I checked
this with a bit of web research before posting), brandy is the umbrella
term for the distilled spirit from grape wine. Cognac is brandy from
the Cognac region of France.

--Lia

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Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote:

Grappa is Italian Brandy, It is made by distilling the grapes after
the wine is made, (and also wine)
Different grapes give a different flavor, When I travel to Italy I buy a
bottle from the area I am in,
I found that the grappa made in the upper Veneto region is much harsher
than the one made from the
Brachetto grapes that grow in the Piemonte region, or the moscato grapes.
I usualy buy 20 bottles and I paid as little as $ 4.00 and as high as $
45.00, In Bassano they had some as high as $ 200.00, there I
bought the one costing about $ 18.00, you find the best buys in
supermarkets.
I like to sip the grappa in a warm glass, but most of it I drink in a cup of
coffee. ( caffe corretto )

Sergio

I tried Marc once. It must be an acquired taste. I like most liquors
straight and
thoroughly enjoy a nice brandy or cognac. Drinking marc was a unique
experience.
I sipped it and attempted to savour it. What I experienced was a
sequence
of
sensations as it passed from one zone of my palate to another, and
none of them pleasant.
Cognac *is* brandy. recognize that
not all brandy is cognac.
Wayne

Are you in a nitwit contest? I suspect you are way ahead. My point
exactly -
all Cognac is brandy, but not all brandy is Cognac. Saying "I enjoy brandy
and Cognac" is like saying "I enjoy wine and Burgundy" or "I enjoy whiskey
and Scotch." If you do not understand that then you are beyond hope.

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If it had been French, it would have been called 'Marc de
[wherever]' not Grappa. Regular-size bottles of grappa and marc
cover a wide range of prices reflecting what they can get for
them, just like whiskey, cognac, etc. Usually age is a
significant cost factor.

I tried Marc once. It must be an acquired taste. I like most
liquors
straight and
thoroughly enjoy a nice brandy or cognac. Drinking marc was a
unique
experience.
I sipped it and attempted to savour it. What I experienced was a
sequence
of
sensations as it passed from one zone of my palate to another, and
none of
them
pleasant.


Before you make any more efforts to come across as a learned
connoisseur you might do well to kearn a littlle about the subject.
Cognac *is* brandy.



Before you make any more efforts to come across as a complete ass,
recognize that not all brandy is cognac. It seems common to
reference both.

Wayne

Are you in a nitwit contest? I suspect you are way ahead. My point
exactly - all Cognac is brandy, but not all brandy is Cognac. Saying
"I enjoy brandy and Cognac" is like saying "I enjoy wine and Burgundy"
or "I enjoy whiskey and Scotch." If you do not understand that then
you are beyond hope.


No, but you must be. Many people make a distinction between Cognac and
other brandies. Some people enjoy one and not the other. Similarly, you
are missing the point in your own example of whiskey and Scotch. Some
may enjoy Scotch and not other types of whiskey. To collectively say
that they enjoy whiskey would not be correct.

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If it had been French, it would have been called 'Marc de
[wherever]' not Grappa. Regular-size bottles of grappa and marc
cover a wide range of prices reflecting what they can get for
them, just like whiskey, cognac, etc. Usually age is a
significant cost factor.

I tried Marc once. It must be an acquired taste. I like most
liquors
straight and
thoroughly enjoy a nice brandy or cognac. Drinking marc was a
unique
experience.
I sipped it and attempted to savour it. What I experienced was a
sequence
of
sensations as it passed from one zone of my palate to another, and
none of
them
pleasant.


Before you make any more efforts to come across as a learned
connoisseur you might do well to kearn a littlle about the subject.
Cognac *is* brandy.



Before you make any more efforts to come across as a complete ass,
recognize that not all brandy is cognac. It seems common to
reference both.

Wayne

Are you in a nitwit contest? I suspect you are way ahead. My point
exactly - all Cognac is brandy, but not all brandy is Cognac. Saying
"I enjoy brandy and Cognac" is like saying "I enjoy wine and Burgundy"
or "I enjoy whiskey and Scotch." If you do not understand that then
you are beyond hope.


No, but you must be. Many people make a distinction between Cognac and
other brandies. Some people enjoy one and not the other. Similarly, you
are missing the point in your own example of whiskey and Scotch. Some
may enjoy Scotch and not other types of whiskey. To collectively say
that they enjoy whiskey would not be correct.


Beyond hope it is. But, in a last effort to communicate, here's the correct
way to say it: I enjoy Cognac and other brandies.

Or perhaps: I enjoy Scotch but not other whiskeys.

I hope you get it. If not, there's nothing more I can do for you.


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Peter Aitken

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I hope you get it. If not, there's nothing more I can do for you.

Go back to the Jesuits and let them finish what they started.

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If it had been French, it would have been called 'Marc de
[wherever]' not Grappa. Regular-size bottles of grappa and
marc cover a wide range of prices reflecting what they can
get for them, just like whiskey, cognac, etc. Usually age is
a significant cost factor.

I tried Marc once. It must be an acquired taste. I like most
liquors
straight and
thoroughly enjoy a nice brandy or cognac. Drinking marc was a
unique
experience.
I sipped it and attempted to savour it. What I experienced was
a sequence
of
sensations as it passed from one zone of my palate to another,
and none of
them
pleasant.


Before you make any more efforts to come across as a learned
connoisseur you might do well to kearn a littlle about the
subject. Cognac *is* brandy.



Before you make any more efforts to come across as a complete ass,
recognize that not all brandy is cognac. It seems common to
reference both.

Wayne

Are you in a nitwit contest? I suspect you are way ahead. My point
exactly - all Cognac is brandy, but not all brandy is Cognac.
Saying "I enjoy brandy and Cognac" is like saying "I enjoy wine and
Burgundy" or "I enjoy whiskey and Scotch." If you do not understand
that then you are beyond hope.


No, but you must be. Many people make a distinction between Cognac
and other brandies. Some people enjoy one and not the other.
Similarly, you are missing the point in your own example of whiskey
and Scotch. Some may enjoy Scotch and not other types of whiskey.
To collectively say that they enjoy whiskey would not be correct.


Beyond hope it is. But, in a last effort to communicate, here's the
correct way to say it: I enjoy Cognac and other brandies.

Or perhaps: I enjoy Scotch but not other whiskeys.

I hope you get it. If not, there's nothing more I can do for you.



Believe me, Peter, I didn't ask you to do anything for me. I still think
the poster's statement would have been understood by most people. I
don't disagree that your phraseology may be more clear. RFC, however, is
not an English class and you are not the professor. Get over yourself,
or at least pontificate where it may be appreciated.

Peter Aitken wrote:

Before you make any more efforts to come across as a learned connoisseur you
might do well to kearn a littlle about the subject. Cognac *is* brandy.


Maybe so, but it may be late to stop yourself from looking like a pedantic fool
you should realize that only some brandy is cognac. Cognac is brandy from the
Cognac region of France, just as Armanac, which is also a brandy from the
Armanac region. For that matter, I also like Calvados, also a brandy but made
from apples.

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Before you make any more efforts to come across as a learned connoisseur
you
might do well to kearn a littlle about the subject. Cognac *is* brandy.

That's certainly not the common usage. Both are distilled from wine, but
cognac is distinguished by getting its character from the cask, brandy
from the
grape.

Nope - Cognac is brandy from a certain region of France. They may in fact
traditionally use different techniques, but brandy is brandy - distilled
from wine or from the fermented juice of fruit.


While Brandy can be distilled from just about any grape or other fruit, Cognac
is made from white wine only and is aged in oak barrels from the Limousin or
Troncais area. Armagnac is also made from white wine and is aged in black oak
from Monzelun forest.

Since their basic ingredients and ageing processes are quite specific, I would
suggest that they are different products.

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Peter Aitken wrote:

Before you make any more efforts to come across as a learned connoisseur
you
might do well to kearn a littlle about the subject. Cognac *is* brandy.


Maybe so, but it may be late to stop yourself from looking like a pedantic
fool
you should realize that only some brandy is cognac. Cognac is brandy from
the
Cognac region of France, just as Armanac, which is also a brandy from the
Armanac region. For that matter, I also like Calvados, also a brandy but
made
from apples.



Yes of course I know that only some brandy is Cognac - did I say
differently? No I did not. You are using the classic "straw man" technique
where you cleverly demolish an argument that your opponent did not make. I
am delighted that you enjoy various brandies - me too - but when you said
that you enjoy brandy and Cognac it seemed to indicate that you were unaware
that Cognac is brandy. Would you way that you enjoy wine and Burgundy?
Whiskey and scotch? Cheese and cheddar? I think I have made my point.


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Yes of course I know that only some brandy is Cognac - did I say
differently? No I did not. You are using the classic "straw man" technique
where you cleverly demolish an argument that your opponent did not make. I
am delighted that you enjoy various brandies - me too - but when you said
that you enjoy brandy and Cognac it seemed to indicate that you were unaware
that Cognac is brandy. Would you way that you enjoy wine and Burgundy?
Whiskey and scotch? Cheese and cheddar? I think I have made my point.


You have made you point? No. You have made a pedantic fool of yourself.

Please let's go back to the original question,
which was
( Why is Grappa so Expensive when it is made from lefovers ? )
I went to the local wine shop and asked for a bottle of Grappa, Five kinds,
Lowest price $37.00 Highest $ 78.00
I did not buy any because I travel to Italy and buy it there, but there was
one there (Zonin) for over $ 40.00 same bottle in Italy I paid 24,000 lire =
less than $12.00.

So, why does it cost so much here,

You can get STOCK brandy distilled in Italy for less than J Bavet
Sergio



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Peter Aitken wrote:



Yes of course I know that only some brandy is Cognac - did I say
differently? No I did not. You are using the classic "straw man"
technique
where you cleverly demolish an argument that your opponent did not make.
I
am delighted that you enjoy various brandies - me too - but when you
said
that you enjoy brandy and Cognac it seemed to indicate that you were
unaware
that Cognac is brandy. Would you way that you enjoy wine and Burgundy?
Whiskey and scotch? Cheese and cheddar? I think I have made my point.


You have made you point? No. You have made a pedantic fool of yourself.